NS Infantry discussion thread

[Lacadie]

Anyone know if the stock from a Sig 550 series would be usable on a 542? Or if you could make a similar stock without issue. I am thinking I want to issue 542s as my main rifle starting in 1980s to replace SAFN-1949s.

[Aqizithiuda]

Something made out of DU or tungsten with no real value.

you don't like tungsten do you? lol

I like it fine enough. It's Purp's concept I don't like.

[Aequiteria]

you don't like tungsten do you? lol

I like it fine enough. It's Purp's concept I don't like.

ah. very well.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Integrated Foregrip of some sort. And no side rails, that's about it. If you don't want to art it that's completely fine, I'll just issue it as is.

Eh, it won't be too bad. I was already planning a shorter 14.5in barreled variant (current carbine has ~16 in barrel) with inbuilt foregrip. The only real difference would be the lack of side rails.

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Shield CQB sight.

Are those the itty-bitty red dot sights that you see on the backs of ACOGS and the like?

If you want useless tacticool, add a grippod, ACOG and flashlight.

Sure.

[Galactic Terran Empire]

I will start with our Militarys personal equipment other than guns.



Assassins Karambit
Length: 10 inches
Blade length:5 inches
Handle: 5 inches
Blade Material: Plasma.



Combat Bowie
Length: 17& 1/2 inches
Blade length: 12 inches
Handle: 5 inches
Blade Material: Plasma



Tactical Wakizashi
Length: 34& 1/2 inches
Blade length: 28 inches
Handle: 5 inches
Blade Material: Plasma

These stats cant adjust if ordered by the soldier.

Nuclear hand Grenade



Anti-gravity Jet pack



Gravity lift and Dome shield.



And yes, the blades are made of plasma, and the hand grenades are nuclear .

[Black Hand]

Integrated Foregrip of some sort. And no side rails, that's about it. If you don't want to art it that's completely fine, I'll just issue it as is.

Eh, it won't be too bad. I was already planning a shorter 14.5in barreled variant (current carbine has ~16 in barrel) with inbuilt foregrip. The only real difference would be the lack of side rails.

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That sounds good to me, If you'd like to leave the rails it's fine, a interesting idea for the shortened carbine would be to add a laser and flashlight as part of the Integrated Foregrip's structure. somewhat like the SAR-21

[Hodori]

Out with the old, in with the new.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

That sounds good to me,

Excellent! I'll get right on it... eventually

If you'd like to leave the rails it's fine,

Eh. It won't take more than 30 seconds to remove them.

a interesting idea for the shortened carbine would be to add a laser and flashlight as part of the Integrated Foregrip's structure. somewhat like the SAR-21

That does sound like it would be pretty cool. Perhaps linknit to some form of inbuilt pressure switch in the primary pistol grip...

I didn't realise that the SAR-21 had inbuilt lazor/flashlight.

I may also be able to work out a saboted 7/4mm cartridge for you, so as to allow downed pilots to better exterminate armoured [INSERT NOD ENEMY HERE] scum.

[Black Hand]

That sounds good to me,

Excellent! I'll get right on it... eventually

If you'd like to leave the rails it's fine,

Eh. It won't take more than 30 seconds to remove them.

a interesting idea for the shortened carbine would be to add a laser and flashlight as part of the Integrated Foregrip's structure. somewhat like the SAR-21

That does sound like it would be pretty cool. Perhaps linknit to some form of inbuilt pressure switch in the primary pistol grip...

I didn't realise that the SAR-21 had inbuilt lazor/flashlight.

I may also be able to work out a saboted 7/4mm cartridge for you, so as to allow downed pilots to better exterminate armoured [INSERT NOD ENEMY HERE] scum.

okay
yeah the SAR-21 has a set

it's underneath the Barrel at the front, all it is, is a PEQ underneath in a cubby hole

that would be awesome if you'd want to. It's entirely possible that they would be facing well Armored soldiers, given that My canonical enemy is GDI, who Likes having well armored troops (traditional Nod doesn't they are much more into the numbers game)

[Titanisa]

PT:
Main Military Forces-
Titanisan Royal Guard-Heavy Infantry- The Imperium's elite infantry force made up die hard loyalists. Armored in stylized red painted steel armor and given tower shields these troops are hard to kill, for weapons they carry spears as their main armament and a long-sword when that breaks. They can switch to a Grecian Phalanx formation to the more flexible Romano cohort formations within minutes.

Imperial Pikes-Standard Infantry- With chain-mail armor and a long pike these men make up the the bodies of most Titanisan armies. Given short swords as back up these men feature some versatility. Though you wouldn't think these men have been able to defeat most conventional enemies of the Imperium through either superior training or sheer force of will.

Imperial Dismounted Corsairs-Dismounted Light Cavalry- The dismounted version of one of the Imperium's most famous units, Imperial Corsairs. These units while mounted are armored in light chain mail and given a light shield with a spear and their trust Sabre. On foot they are usually armed with a light shield and their Sabre. As in their mounted counterpart they are adept at raiding settlements and of course harrying the enemy. Still able to deliver a big hit then retreat before they are committed to a battle.

MT:
Titanisan Shock Troop-Standard Infantry Variant- Gone are the huge vast armies of ester year and now is the age of small powerful armies. Slowly being phased out for the less and less infantry based military of Titanisa these men are still eager to prove their worth as they are often thrown into the thick of things with whatever new weaponry is made by Imperial Arms INC. These men are formed into fire teams and are always deployed with their Chimera Apc, they are used in area deemed necessary that a solid ground force is needed.

Royal Imperial Shock Marine-Special Infantry Variant- The red tide of death as the legends go about these soldiers. They are the Imperium's first and last line of defense. These men are highly trained troops often deployed in small fire teams designated to a Valkyrie gunship to provide hard strikes and to generally give you a really bad day. Armed with the best weapons around a single fire team can hold off an entire regiment, a battalion if given Valkyrie support.

FT:
Titanisan Armored Knight- Armored Mobile Combat Suit Variant- These are the highest caliber of infantry of the Titanisan military. About the size of Knightmare frames from code geass these units are equipped with whatever weapon they need to finish the job but standard armament always involve the Long Sword Variant weapon, a blade strong enough to cut through other Mobile suits.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

yeah the SAR-21 has a set
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it's underneath the Barrel at the front, all it is, is a PEQ underneath in a cubby hole

Huh, neat. I never really looked at those before.

that would be awesome if you'd want to. It's entirely possible that they would be facing well Armored soldiers, given that My canonical enemy is GDI, who Likes having well armored troops (traditional Nod doesn't they are much more into the numbers game)

I figured you'd be facing either your universe's PA equipped 'MURRICAH (fuck yeah)!, or Biopians.

A quick run through the calculator suggests that a 7mm sabot + magnum pressure rounds would yield velocities slightly than the base rifle or carbine's 1.006m/s.

[Black Hand]

yeah the SAR-21 has a set
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it's underneath the Barrel at the front, all it is, is a PEQ underneath in a cubby hole

Huh, neat. I never really looked at those before.

Yeah I like the idea of it. It's much more streamlined than rails. I despise side rails, top and bottom rails, are acceptable mainly for optics, and Grenade launchers, but when possible, only top rails. because Optics are a necessity while everything else is Extra, Weapon lights are mounted internally on most weapons and Lasers for designating as well as additional lights are mounted in the armor.

that would be awesome if you'd want to. It's entirely possible that they would be facing well Armored soldiers, given that My canonical enemy is GDI, who Likes having well armored troops (traditional Nod doesn't they are much more into the numbers game)

I figured you'd be facing either your universe's PA equipped 'MURRICAH (fuck yeah)!, or Biopians.

A quick run through the calculator suggests that a 7mm sabot + magnum pressure rounds would yield velocities slightly than the base rifle or carbine's 1.006m/s.

America, NATO, EU, that's sorta What GDI is. And Biop hunting is a good idea.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

I like the idea of it. It's much more streamlined than rails. I despise side rails, top and bottom rails, are acceptable mainly for optics, and Grenade launchers, but when possible, only top rails. because Optics are a necessity while everything else is Extra, Weapon lights are mounted internally on most weapons and Lasers for designating as well as additional lights are mounted in the armor.

Makes sense. Inbuilt laser/flashlight kerjiggers do tend to look much more attractive then they would otherwise.

America, NATO, EU, that's sorta What GDI is. And Biop hunting is a good idea.

Right... so a heavily American "international coalition"
Biop hunting is indeed a good.

Right then.
Further calculatoring suggests that a saboted 4.6mm projectile would have a muzzle velocity of 1.066m/s, and be capable of penetrating 8mm mild steel at it's effective range of 300m with lead cored FMJ rounds.

[Hodori]

Out with the old, in with the new.

And continuing with some art updates, the Big Image for the R6-5.

...I guess I should statblock at some point...

I pulled the formatting from this post, and deleted some fields.

Name: STR6-5 (SaiTaseRaifa 6-5; "Short Combat Rifle, 6.5")
Origin: Hodori
Manufacturer: REISEN Arms Factory
Produced: 2003-Present
In service: 2006-Present
Weight: 3.15kg (STR6-5/300), 3.21kg (STR6-5/400), 3.54kg (STR6-5/520)
Length: 580mm, 680mm, 800mm
Barrel length: 378mm (STR6-5/300), 478mm (STR6-5/400), 598mm (STR6-5/520)
Cartridge: 6.5x45mm Udongein
Action: Short-stroke gas piston, rotating bolt
Rate of fire: 600-750 rpm
Feed system: detachable curved box magazine, casket magazine
Sights: Folding rear adjustable ghost ring and front post, Module Attachment Point System

[OMGeverynameistaken]

When in doubt, scalie hunting:

[Aqizithiuda]

Out with the old, in with the new.

*bows*

That is some very, very impressive work.

When in doubt, scalie hunting:

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I just use .50 BMG .

[Gretin]

I will start with our Militarys personal equipment other than guns.

(Image)

Assassins Karambit
Length: 10 inches
Blade length:5 inches
Handle: 5 inches
Blade Material: Plasma.

(Image)

Combat Bowie
Length: 17& 1/2 inches
Blade length: 12 inches
Handle: 5 inches
Blade Material: Plasma

(Image)

Tactical Wakizashi
Length: 34& 1/2 inches
Blade length: 28 inches
Handle: 5 inches
Blade Material: Plasma

These stats cant adjust if ordered by the soldier.

Nuclear hand Grenade

(Image)

Anti-gravity Jet pack

(Image)

Gravity lift and Dome shield.

(Image)

And yes, the blades are made of plasma, and the hand grenades are nuclear .

NUCLEAR.

HIGHLY FLAMMABLE.

[Aqizithiuda]

Because I got bored:

6.5 Grendel Lead Free Projectile
Ballistics (508mm Barrel)

[Gretin]

AN89

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Stats

Cartridge: A43 7.68mm

Action: Gas operated, rotary bolt

Estimated Barrel Length: n/a

Estimated Overrall Length: n/a

Weight: 3,21 kg


Capacity: 30 rounds

Rate Of Fire: 650-735 rounds per minute

Estimated Effective Range: 210 meters

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To replace the AN83G [and its horrible AN83 assualt rifle and conscript rifle] Handguard,pistol grip. Are made of polymer and is on a "regular" mass production [allthough they stop producing for a little while to save dollars.]

Pretty short range assault rifle. I think the FN P90 gets more distance than the AN89.

Well our country has bit of "heavy" jungle aspect. :3

[Ulfr-Reich]

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Plasma? That sure looks like Steel and steel variants to me.

[Allmann]

Weight: 4.1 kg (empty) (FAK65A)
Length: 710mm
Barrel Length: 610mm
Cartridge(s):
6.5mm APA
Action: Long-stroke piston, rotating bolt
Rate of Fire: 750 rounds/min
Feed System: 30 round synthetic box magazine.
Sights:Flip-up dual rear aperture and front post with tritium inserts (150 m, 300 m)
3,4x Zoom telescopic optic.

Materials on the field jacket and trousers.
Outer fabric: 50% Polyester, 50% Varpsatin.
Inner fabric: 100% Cotton.

The elbows and knee's are reinforced with extra layers of fabric for protection and comfort. The jackets also have so called fish fur collars that are removeable. Rank insignia is placed on the neck collars and on the front of the jacket/flak vest.
Gaiters are standard issue for most units.
Boots are made out of leather with either plastic toe protection or steel protection depending on what sorts of jobs the person do.
(Mechanics and vehicle crews mainly get the steel tipped boots)

The helmet is large enough to enable the wearing of a winter hat underneath aswell as having a unremoveable visor. Another feature of the helmet is the thickened front and ridge that in theory serve as extra protection against shrapnel from the front.

[Spreewerke]

Which is why there are offset mounts. Spree posting something like that back in the sixth or seventh thread.

well, yeah in NS you can manufacture any kind of offset configuration you want. I've tried them, and I didn't like them (probably because I was too used to the old fashioned way). They did no provide ME with any ergonomic advantage.

I hadn't planned on participating in this thread, but since I'm being brought up, it seems...


I advocated top-bottom rails being the most useful as there exist off-set mounts for flashlights, and foregrips come in the handy configuration of the magazine well (or magazine itself in terms of the AK). Since I do not use an IR laser module (civilian), nor do I use a VFG, it makes sense for me to go 12 o'clock only.

However, even then I feel a side rail would only be necessary if running a rail-mounted VFG: I, myself, prefer traditional hands-on-handguard shooting if using a flashlight when momentary on/off is needed. A large part of this is because my lights are QD-mounted, and only installed when needed. Since it adds more front weight, having my hand further forward (opposed to a magazine hold) helps me with muzzle control and balance. Otherwise, only an optic rides my 12 o'clock rail. Back to what I mentioned: if using a VFG, you need a side rail. No questions asked. VFG is going to position your thumb in the perfect spot for a 3 o'clock-mounted flashlight tailcap (if right-handed), and an offset mount from 12 o'clock won't beat this, as I'm sure you know.

As I mentioned earlier, I don't into IR modules. If I did, however, on my AK it would likely end up being side-mounted on the receiver simply because there is nowhere else to put it without messing with accuracy (clamp-on barrel mounts). As for an AR/Daewoo, I'd use the 12 o'clock rail still. Those lasers' lenses are offset to purposefully go past the front sight block, as it seems like you're aware. However, governments gonna govern (except for today), so I can see why they wanted side-mounted instead. Perhaps having it on the side-mounted rail got the IR laser more in-line with the bore; been a while since I used one like that (visible light), so I can't remember what side it's offset to, but having it side-mounted might mean you only have to worry about the laser being ~1" to the left/right of the muzzle instead of 1" left/right, 1.5" high.

In my opinion, though, a good 12 o'clock rail is all you're really going to need. The other rails exist for accessories that have yet to ever come in handy for me, personally*. I will be doing some ride-alongs with the game warden this deer season, however, so I will likely better be able to give an opinion after that. He is issued an SP6920 with an EOTech (forget what model), and I want to say I remember seeing a quad-rail being installed. I'm on pretty good terms with him, so I imagine I'll be able to look at whatever I need to look at.

Here's my AK, for reference:



* Even ICly, my notAKs use only a 12 o'clock rail. Since they have a cowitnessing red dot on the gas tube rail, I issue 30mm NV monoculars that sit in an also-cowitnessing side-mounted dovetail mount. This makes the red dot an NV optic since I'm basically using the RL combination of the Ultimak + AimPoint Micro and RS Regulate AKMN + [30mm NV monocular here]. Side-mounted disturbs the balance of the AK very little, so that's why I went with that option. My friend said he tried both-eye-open with a helmet-mounted monocular and a standard red dot, but ran into some serious problems that neither of us expected. I will probably be using an RS Regulate AKMN-style mount that has a 9 o'clock Picatinny rail section ICly: cowitnessing NV for red dot and/or side-mounted IR laser module for point-shoot capabilities. It'll probably be heavy as shit, but due to its location, it won't affect balance, just weight.

[Ulfr-Reich]

Spree, yer' posts are always so damndably well learned.

[Ea90]

What would you guys say is the ideal melee weapon for modern CQC (purely for combat, not as a multi-purpose tool)?

[Sevvania]

Any info on FALSKS?

Yeah, have a couple of forum threads from the guy who makes them (yes, them).

http://www.sksboards.com/smf/index.php?topic=54230.0

http://www.sksboards.com/smf/index.php?topic=57276.0

I was amazed when I first saw them because they're strikingly similar to a few of the drafts of Questers' FGR (I think? Don't remember the contraction).

I think I might try to use something like this as the basis of a modern-era Sevvanian assault rifle.