NS Infantry discussion thread

[Purpelia]

No, I didn't. Could you quote it for me?

Basically, I mentioned that you'll want lead, not incendiary compound, surrounding the core in order to prevent the round from igniting in the barrel.

Really? But all the crossections of API rounds have it like that. Or is there actually a thin jacket of lead around the core that I am not seeing here?
http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/ammo_c ... I_APT1.jpg

Also I do have a bit more burny stuff so that my core does not actually touch the jacket. Is that a problem too?
I based my load off the 2nd from the left in that picture.

[United Republics of Aralon]

The sowrd you just talked down on, is much more practical.
Your khopesh is the best line art of a sword I have seen. Truly- But the khopesh is the worst sword ever. Period.
I have a total of about 8 years of fencing experience, belive me it works not.

Is that thing really made for fencing thou? I always had the impression that blades like that were to be used more like axes or sickles and the like and not like a proper sword.

Basically what Aquiz said. It was designed to pull away shields for one,but for that an actual axe would be more practical it at least has a wooden hilt so it can be lighter.The main idea behind the design was to make something that overcomes the structural weaknesses of bronze. Namely that it gets bent/deformed and goes dull easily. The curve and heavy weight made it structurally sound and capable of delivering a horrible cut even when dull,but it became overly heavy and unwieldly. The fact that shield designs close in time and space have been very light(made of twigs and cane and such) so something that powerfull could bash them easily. But an axe could do tall this as well, just lighter and cheaper.

Straight and short bronze swords were also designed to be used in large formation, large shield combat, but were much more versatile. They overcame the bronzes weaknesses by being able to stab and thurst. This versatility is very valuable.You can pull away the guys shield with your own or your empty off hand or an axe, but if your sword is crap you are dead. A sluggish weapon like the khopesh left you for dead against a guy with a more agile weapon if your formation started to fall apart and people got a bit of space to move. Not to speak of someone with a spear. You need agility against a spear to quickly get close so you can't be stabbed.

A steel khopesh is naturally better than a bronze one, but its still very heavy for its length and off ballance. Basically it is inferior to every other sword deign that springs to my mind.

[Black Hand]

gotcha, I'm thinking something in the area of say a 10"/25 cm blade. For this

as for the Other one, I'm probably going to give Black Disciples standard ones.
But the Shadow Teams will need something different. They're covert special force, assassinations and the like. I have no idea what would be a very good, quick kill knife for them, Something less hack and slash but still just as brutal

Alright then, take a gander at the shape and form of the boar-spear. adjust dimensions to suit your needs and presto, assassinating rib-shredding doom.

I'll definitely Do that, likely keep the Blade length, and Give it a more Dagger like Handle. It'll Be abrutal Motherfucker of a knife.

gotcha, I'm thinking something in the area of say a 10"/25 cm blade. For this

as for the Other one, I'm probably going to give Black Disciples standard ones.
But the Shadow Teams will need something different. They're covert special force, assassinations and the like. I have no idea what would be a very good, quick kill knife for them, Something less hack and slash but still just as brutal

A very short retractable blade made out of steel infused with tiberium. Retractable not so that they can hide it, but so that they can be protected from accidentally stabbing them self. So dangerous it must be.

I like the Tiberium part, but as for retractable blade..... Retraction=Weakness
Besides that's what sheaths are for.

[Aqizithiuda]

Basically, I mentioned that you'll want lead, not incendiary compound, surrounding the core in order to prevent the round from igniting in the barrel.

Really? But all the crossections of API rounds have it like that. Or is there actually a thin jacket of lead around the core that I am not seeing here?
http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/ammo_c ... I_APT1.jpg

Also I do have a bit more burny stuff so that my core does not actually touch the jacket. Is that a problem too?
I based my load off the 2nd from the left in that picture.

There's either a thin layer of lead between the core and the jacket, or the jacket is thicker in locations where engraving is going to take place (the second from the left and first on the left, respectively).

The incendiary composition between the jacket and the core in a location when engraving will take place is exactly what's wrong with your round.

[Lysandran Dynasty]

We talking about blades, now?

-Analise, Maiden of Fire and Blade

Fuck yo curvy ass swords.

What a crude bayonet. I would feel bad about giving it to a male conscript, let alone any real warrior. My own bayonet is far more refined, and may be used in the off-hand in a swordfight.

That's not a sword.

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This, is a sword.

An amusing toy. I hope you don't expect anyone to fight with it.

-Analise, Maiden of Fire and Blade

[Bezombia]

The extent of my knowledge on how dissasembling firearms actually works comes from Hichkok45 videos...

[Black Hand]

The extent of my knowledge on how dissasembling firearms actually works comes from Hichkok45 videos...

Well..... I guess that's not terrible.
I know how to take out every single piece of My rifle, Everything from the firing pin to the Magazine tension spring. Granted the Mosin is pretty damn simple.

[Ulfr-Reich]

Fuck yo curvy ass swords.

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What a crude bayonet. I would feel bad about giving it to a male conscript, let alone any real warrior. My own bayonet is far more refined, and may be used in the off-hand in a swordfight.

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This, is a sword.

An amusing toy. I hope you don't expect anyone to fight with it.

-Analise, Maiden of Fire and Blade

Swords ey? Allow me to re-introduce the M1909 Haersmann Bajonett.



Info:

Deemed a far more lethal "companion" or even "upgrade" in some circumstances over the M1900 infantry bayonet due to a remarkably firm, sturdy and to be rather frank devastating shape. Being based off-of the entire principal of the original highly effective "semi broken back" pattern of seax. As such, it has gained much notoriety due to it's type of created wound, acting like a broadsword with a razor sharp point; which, in it's own right, is highly uncharacteristic of a blade capable of being deemed as a "bayonet" in the eyes of foreign, associated and allied militaries.


Blade Length: 2 3/4ft

Blade Width: [Edge to Tang: 3 2/4"] [Blade Thickness: 4/8"]

Type: Full Tang - Sword Bayonet

Blade Material: Folded Alloy Steel

Edge Type: Scandi

Guard Material: Titanium-Steel Alloy


Grip Panel Material: Iron Pulp Oak


Grip Length: 7 1/4 Inches

And the M1902 Veðr-Korp Langseax:



info:

Deemed a "rite of passage" amongst members of the Veðr-Korp (The dedicated assault and motorized infantry division of the Ulfranes Haer). After returning from either specialized training (three years after completing four-to-six years of standard) or being shifted from the Varanger Korp; the blade presented above is given to those who pass the nightmarish trials to become a Veðrsoldate. The Veðr Korp can in fact trace it's history back to the Original Montertesoldate Korp (dragoons). When the traditional Ulfran Langseax was made into a cavalryman's weapons (Montertesoldate Korp) right alongside a lever action rifle (firing .485 Lengi I might add), the resurrection/more-common-use of a tried and true tool from the collective Ulfran past came to bear. The Ulfran Langseax has always been famous for it's sheer brutal cleaving power, and pattern-welded durability, it was a unique discovery on the behalf of the first "Buðlungr-Ryttere" (King's Riders, equivalent of pseudo-knightly militarized hussars) that the traditional Ulfran Langseax was incredibly practical from the back of a destrier. The ideals of said organization, and their practices in general stuck with them, as their job-description slowly changed from mounted Huscarls with longbows to Cuirassiers, then dragoons, and finally, the glorious Veðr-Korp. The men behind the blade stay the same, the job barely changes, but the uniforms the blade skewers have. Overall, the weapon is viewed as both a piece of ceremonial kit, a true-blue "warsword", and a status symbol to the Veðrsoldate using it.


Total Length(pommel to point): 4 1/2 feet

Material: Pattern-welded alloy steel

Edge Style: "Scandi"

Honestly though, Tsavon's bayonets are mass-produced in the hundreds of thousands and just treated like a pike, often broken, modified and discarded after the fact (the hilts and guards are often salvaged though).

[New Tsavon]

Fuck yo curvy ass swords.

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What a crude bayonet. I would feel bad about giving it to a male conscript, let alone any real warrior. My own bayonet is far more refined, and may be used in the off-hand in a swordfight.

What an amusing blade. It would look great on a wall somewhere. However, I would only carry such a thing in to battle if no other option was available, and only then. It seems you dirty foreigners have no respect for proper bayonet design, nor tactics, it seems, for that "bayonet" would be a pain to use as a pike.

[United states of brazilian nations]

hey folks, i finished a pistol-shottie Uflr requested me: http://fav.me/d6ojvgi

tell me what you think about it. unfortunately i won't be able to reply today; tomorrow, maybe.

[Wilfordium]

Here are our Weapons.

Flanged mace.

Swords.

Infantry Spear.

Glaive.

Cavalry lance.

Foot archers bow.

Horse archers bow.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Using any sort of piston, it would be visible through the vents.

Right... And if I decided to go back in my decision to use short stroke, and instead stick with DGI?

Which reminds me, how does the piston act on the carrier?

... Prayer.

Also, how do you dissemble the rifle?

See above.

In fairness though, I think I've taken care of the dissembly issues in the latest update.

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Ulfr!
Talk to me about potential armour piercing short sword/bayonets!

[The Republic of Lanos]

So Westernized Tanto-blade bayonets exist: http://www.knife-depot.com/knife-450292 ... 7AodwhgA-Q

Wondering how awesome that would be to issue.

[Tule]

Ulfr!
Talk to me about potential armour piercing short sword/bayonets!

I'm not Ulfr, but I'll show you this anyway.

[Aqizithiuda]

Using any sort of piston, it would be visible through the vents.

Right... And if I decided to go back in my decision to use short stroke, and instead stick with DGI?

Which reminds me, how does the piston act on the carrier?

... Prayer.

Also, how do you dissemble the rifle?

See above.

In fairness though, I think I've taken care of the dissembly issues in the latest update.

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Ulfr!
Talk to me about potential armour piercing short sword/bayonets!

Then you'd still need to show the gas tube.

With your present version of the rifle, how do you access the trigger group/mag well/rear end of the rifle for cleaning and inspection?

[Alimeria-]

We're talking about sword bayonets?

Have my small-scale bayonet

And a link to a low quality picture of the knife that inspired it.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

I'm not Ulfr, but I'll show you this anyway.

Nice.

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Then you'd still need to show the gas tube.

Right...

With your present version of the rifle, how do you access the trigger group/mag well/rear end of the rifle for cleaning and inspection?

To access the trigger group you would remove the rear sling pin and buttplate.
To access the magazine... thing, you would remove the two pins, and either pull everything out from the bottom, or pull everything out from the top. It should be able to stay together as one unit... I think.

Seem semi-legit?

[Hodori]

So Westernized Tanto-blade bayonets exist: http://www.knife-depot.com/knife-450292 ... 7AodwhgA-Q

Wondering how awesome that would be to issue.

You be the judge.

[Black Hand]

Current Model for the New Assassins/ commando Knife. It's not really shaded yet. only a little bit.
the Reason for the green tinge is Tiberium added during the forging process. This makes the knives extremely difficult to manufacture, restricting their use to elite units.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Current Model for the New Assassins/ commando Knife. It's not really shaded yet. only a little bit.
the Reason for the green tinge is Tiberium added during the forging process. This makes the knives extremely difficult to manufacture, restricting their use to elite units.

(Image)

The squiggly bit looks silly in my opinion. Past that though, I quite like overall shape.

[Black Hand]

Current Model for the New Assassins/ commando Knife. It's not really shaded yet. only a little bit.
the Reason for the green tinge is Tiberium added during the forging process. This makes the knives extremely difficult to manufacture, restricting their use to elite units.

(Image)

The squiggly bit looks silly in my opinion. Past that though, I quite like overall shape.

I can understand that, But at the same time it's supposed to give you a better grip, I can attest to the benefits of a grip Like that on a single edged knife not sure about a double edged. And it would have looked boring with a straight grip.

[Bezombia]

Current Model for the New Assassins/ commando Knife. It's not really shaded yet. only a little bit.
the Reason for the green tinge is Tiberium added during the forging process. This makes the knives extremely difficult to manufacture, restricting their use to elite units.

(Image)

Seems too thin, hard to hold.

[German-Spanish Empire]

The most common weapon used in the GSE Armed forces is the Heckler and Koch while the secondary is the .44 Revolver. Our infantrymen look like This.

[Black Hand]

Current Model for the New Assassins/ commando Knife. It's not really shaded yet. only a little bit.
the Reason for the green tinge is Tiberium added during the forging process. This makes the knives extremely difficult to manufacture, restricting their use to elite units.

(Image)

Seems too thin, hard to hold.

It's a dagger for stabbing... not hack and slash.

[Bezombia]

No the grip looks too thin, not the blade.