Main Military Weapon of Your Country: Part 12

[Bezombia]

Now that I look at it, the grip and trigger/trigger guard of the G11 PDW really reminds of the G36.

[Fordorsia]

It was penetrated by a round going 1,100 FPS.

Some loadings of .45 ACP get above that.

I'm not saying this would replace armor. It would replace your skin with a better, more durable one. .22lr is no bullet. .22 lr proof means damn tough,not bullet proof.

I'd rather be aware that I've cut myself thanks.

Now that I look at it, the grip and trigger/trigger guard of the G11 PDW really reminds of the G36.

Or most guns from HK.

[Yes Im Biop]

I love the M200, Simple but sexy. For the longest time I thought it fired .50, I blame Fallout.

[United Republics of Aralon]

I'm talking about cased rounds, as I have never seen a pistol designed to handle caseless. Do you think it'd stil work?

G11 PDW is a pistol that fires caseless rounds.

I forgot about that but it looks lolhuge, and unwieldly, besides, if its mechanosm is similar to that of the G11, it is needlesly complex.
I'm talking specifically about square PCT rounds, for more efficent energy storage, in single stack CCWs.

[Fordorsia]

I love the M200, Simple but sexy. For the longest time I thought it fired .50, I blame Fallout.

I'm fairly certain the M200 has never been in Fallout.

[Bezombia]

G11 PDW is a pistol that fires caseless rounds.

I forgot about that but it looks lolhuge, and unwieldly, besides, if its mechanosm is similar to that of the G11, it is needlesly complex.
I'm talking specifically about square PCT rounds, for more efficent energy storage, in single stack CCWs.

Similar to the G11 in name only.

[Yes Im Biop]

I love the M200, Simple but sexy. For the longest time I thought it fired .50, I blame Fallout.

I'm fairly certain the M200 has never been in Fallout.

The AMR Looks a lot like the M200, Same receiver and stock with a 3 foot+ long barrel and Barret Break

[United Republics of Aralon]

I'm not saying this would replace armor. It would replace your skin with a better, more durable one. .22lr is no bullet. .22 lr proof means damn tough,not bullet proof.

I'd rather be aware that I've cut myself thanks.

Why are you doing this to me? It wouldn't make nerves in your skin disappear. The uppermost layer of the skin is nervless, if it gets to the dermis, you'll feel the cut, if it does not, you don't, you only feel the knife touching you. This works so with normal skin and would work like that with all sorts of GM skin, unless you modify people specifically to have no nerves in the skin.

[Bezombia]

I'm fairly certain the M200 has never been in Fallout.

The AMR Looks a lot like the M200, Same receiver and stock with a 3 foot+ long barrel and Barret Break

http://bit.ly/1gTVRDq

That gun is real.

[Crookfur]

G11 used square propellant blocks.

I'm talking about cased rounds, as I have never seen a pistol designed to handle caseless. Do you think it'd stil work?

IIRC some the early CTA rounds used square ammo. Cyclinderical roudsn just tend to be far mroe connon as they are strogner and much easier to handle ina feed system.

Heck even triangles have been used (trounds).

HK did have mockups of a caseless pistol PDW and at one time Voere did have a pistol for thier 6mm UCC round but it disappeared even more completley than thier rifle did.

[Yes Im Biop]

The AMR Looks a lot like the M200, Same receiver and stock with a 3 foot+ long barrel and Barret Break

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PGM_Hécate_II[/url]

That gun is real.

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[Bezombia]

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PGM_Hécate_II[/url]

That gun is real.

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[United Republics of Aralon]

I forgot about that but it looks lolhuge, and unwieldly, besides, if its mechanosm is similar to that of the G11, it is needlesly complex.
I'm talking specifically about square PCT rounds, for more efficent energy storage, in single stack CCWs.

Similar to the G11 in name only.

But how big is it? I suppose more MP7 like, than CCW like. Plus I imagine this as a very near future thingy, caseless is not going to gain a foothold very soon, yet polymer cases are there, they only need to be telescoped and squared for space efficient CCW rounds.
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Another question, why haven't anyone thought about giving a caseless round two electrically fired primers? One a the front and one at the back, this would mean adjustable shot energy as front ignition is quite much more efficent than back ignition as demonstrated by the Prussian needle rifle.
Is there some inherent fault to this approach,with modern propellants.
Besides the dificulty of ignition trough the chamber walls, without making the thing leak.

[Crookfur]

Help what am doing.

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I likes USPs but oddly enough preffer them without the barrel weight/compensator, they look far better with just the "tactical" exposed barrel/muzzle

[Coltarin]

Ever hear of MOPP?

It makes everything look end-of-the-world-y, especially when its done Russian style.

I concur

[Bezombia]

Similar to the G11 in name only.

But how big is it? I suppose more MP7 like, than CCW like. Plus I imagine this as a very near future thingy, caseless is not going to gain a foothold very soon, yet polymer cases are there, they only need to be telescoped and squared for space efficient CCW rounds.

It shouldn't be any bigger than the Deagle.

Plus this weapon was gtg back in the 80s, you'd be totes fine now. I myself use a caseless rifle as a main service rifle, and a caseless bolt action rifle as an AMR.

[United Republics of Aralon]

But how big is it? I suppose more MP7 like, than CCW like. Plus I imagine this as a very near future thingy, caseless is not going to gain a foothold very soon, yet polymer cases are there, they only need to be telescoped and squared for space efficient CCW rounds.

It shouldn't be any bigger than the Deagle.

Plus this weapon was gtg back in the 80s, you'd be totes fine now. I myself use a caseless rifle as a main service rifle, and a caseless bolt action rifle as an AMR.

Well Deeagle is far from a CCW, I stiil would need a draft of such a mechanism to claim a caseless concealed carry pistol in this year or the next and IRL, there are still problems with caseless rounds.Fragillity and corrosiveness of the ammunition would affect a CCW, cook off and such can probably be ignored in case of a small capacity semi-auto.

[Bezombia]

It shouldn't be any bigger than the Deagle.

Plus this weapon was gtg back in the 80s, you'd be totes fine now. I myself use a caseless rifle as a main service rifle, and a caseless bolt action rifle as an AMR.

Well Deeagle is far from a CCW, I stiil would need a draft of such a mechanism to claim a caseless concealed carry pistol in this year or the next and IRL, there are still problems with caseless rounds.Fragillity and corrosiveness of the ammunition would affect a CCW, cook off and such can probably be ignored in case of a small capacity semi-auto.

Cockoff was solved in the later prototypes of the G11's ammunition, and according to someone here (if it was you plz say so, I'm bad at remembering this sort of thing) said that it's good enough to be used simply in a belt fed machine gun.
Also I've read personal accounts of (not sure of the truth behind this) people saying that they left magazines in the grass for two days and then fired them without issue.

[Yes Im Biop]

The AMR Looks a lot like the M200, Same receiver and stock with a 3 foot+ long barrel and Barret Break

http://bit.ly/1gTVRDq

That gun is real.

Well I'll be damned

[United Republics of Aralon]

Took a look at this tround thing this is sick, and certainly works (cannot be mentioned enough times that I have a love for sick stuff that even work), but doesn't seem very practical.

[Imperializt Russia]

It makes everything look end-of-the-world-y, especially when its done Russian style.

I concur

Those ruddy Georgians.
When will they learn they can't upstage the Russians?

[Aqizithiuda]

I'm talking about cased rounds, as I have never seen a pistol designed to handle caseless. Do you think it'd stil work?

IIRC some the early CTA rounds used square ammo. Cyclinderical roudsn just tend to be far mroe connon as they are strogner and much easier to handle ina feed system.

Heck even triangles have been used (trounds).

HK did have mockups of a caseless pistol PDW and at one time Voere did have a pistol for thier 6mm UCC round but it disappeared even more completley than thier rifle did.

I didn't know about the Voere pistol. Do you know anything about it other than it existed?

@ Aralon: Crookfur's right. Round cartridges are the strongest, but triangular and rectangular PCTA rounds have been used before. And don't sweat it with the tough skin thing, I understand what you mean by it and how you'd theoretically apply it. I actually considered it for the super soldier project I've been doing in bits and pieces in my spare time, but eventually ruled it out because I didn't want to get that far in the future.

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Similar to the G11 in name only.

But how big is it? I suppose more MP7 like, than CCW like. Plus I imagine this as a very near future thingy, caseless is not going to gain a foothold very soon, yet polymer cases are there, they only need to be telescoped and squared for space efficient CCW rounds.
...................................................
Another question, why haven't anyone thought about giving a caseless round two electrically fired primers? One a the front and one at the back, this would mean adjustable shot energy as front ignition is quite much more efficent than back ignition as demonstrated by the Prussian needle rifle.
Is there some inherent fault to this approach,with modern propellants.
Besides the dificulty of ignition trough the chamber walls, without making the thing leak.

Square PCTA probably won't offer much of an advantage, because you'll probably loose more volume trying to fix the weakness created by the geometry thanyou'd gain by going square, and the chamber of the gun is going to be more difficult to make as a result (unless you go lockless).

Forward ignition isn't such a good idea with telescoped cartridges, either, since you need the bullet to be in the barrel before most of the main charge ignites. You'd need that dual ignition idea, which would make for a more complex weapon, even if it was mechanical as opposed to electric.

It shouldn't be any bigger than the Deagle.

Plus this weapon was gtg back in the 80s, you'd be totes fine now. I myself use a caseless rifle as a main service rifle, and a caseless bolt action rifle as an AMR.

Well Deeagle is far from a CCW, I stiil would need a draft of such a mechanism to claim a caseless concealed carry pistol in this year or the next and IRL, there are still problems with caseless rounds.Fragillity and corrosiveness of the ammunition would affect a CCW, cook off and such can probably be ignored in case of a small capacity semi-auto.

Cook off isn't a major problem if you use a open bolt weapon, and caseless ammunition can be made reasonably durable with the right design. I've not heard about corosion, though.

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[Aqizithiuda]

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[Bezombia]

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