Main Military Weapon of Your Country: Part 12

[Immoren]

Wait would that work with the stock folded?

Its a cleaning capsule. contains parts for assembly/dis assembly and cleaning of the rifle that it stored in the butt of most Russian service rifles since the introduction of the SKS, a practice started with the PPSH-41 IIRC. Has no vital parts that removing the stock of the rifle wuld effect.

Not directed at just beno but everyone...Did you all not know that?

I knew obv.

[Biscayan Puntland]

Chemical Weapons

Used only in battle, we do not kill civilians unless they try to kill us

[Aqizithiuda]

Would the payoff in weight make using Aluminum cases worth it? Or should I just jump straight to polymer cases? (keep in mind this is working within a FAL and a FN minimi)

Go straight to polymer.

It is indeed.

Yup. I keep it around mostly for kicks.

i assume it will have an explosion only comparable to those small firecrackers they use in parties.

Probably less.

Plain, ordinary API will be cheaper, easier to make and probably work better.

Salvo squeezebore, caseless, gas delayed, bullpup, integrally suppressed rifle in 2010.

I never did get around to drawing that dual-barrel quadruplex triple-bore tround SMG I talked about...

Feel free to draw it any time you like

Are the disadvantages of duplex ammunition to great for it to be fielded as standard-issue (hypothetically)?

That depends on your environment and caliber. If you're using a fairly heavy round to begin with and aren't expected to engage the enemy past 300 metres, you could definitely get away with issuing it to your riflemen. While it was super effective when fired from MGs, you lose penetration and the ability to engage at longer ranges, so I'd keep the squad MG firing simplex ammo if I were you.

[Bezombia]

Wait would that work with the stock folded?

Its a cleaning capsule. contains parts for assembly/dis assembly and cleaning of the rifle that it stored in the butt of most Russian service rifles since the introduction of the SKS, a practice started with the PPSH-41 IIRC. Has no vital parts that removing the stock of the rifle wuld effect.

Not directed at just beno but everyone...Did you all not know that?

I was thrown off by the spring. I knew that kits were held in the stock but I had no idea that they were held in place by a large spring.

[Fordorsia]

Help what am doing.

[Coltarin]

Chemical Weapons

Used only in battle, we do not kill civilians unless they try to kill us

Ever hear of MOPP?

[Bezombia]

I don't even what this is

[Puzikas]

Chemical Weapons

Used only in battle, we do not kill civilians unless they try to kill us

Ever hear of MOPP?

It makes everything look end-of-the-world-y, especially when its done Russian style.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Plain, ordinary API will be cheaper, easier to make and probably work better.

But it wouldn't be nearly as fun.

[Galla-]

Ever hear of MOPP?

It makes everything look end-of-the-world-y, especially when its done Russian style.

The overcast really makes that picture tbh.

[United Republics of Aralon]

So, I'm back and I brought some weird shit, tying in to the spider skin line. This thing is apparently pretty versatile. And this was made from the silk produced by one of the earlier methods(goats), and thus is somewhat inferior to the latest developements.
http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/nstv/2012/01/stronger-than-steel-spider-silk-skin-takes-a-bullet.html
Anyone read Altered Carbon(Damn good book)? Transhuman shit is coming fast.

And a question would it be possible to produce/use square polymer cased telescopic ammunition?
It could allow better space efficency with single stack magazines, thus allowing small self-defence pistols to use more powerful rounds or be even smaller.

[Spreewerke]

Weekend's over:

toask


anyway, is the AN-94's muzzle device integral to its action like the AKS-74U's is?

As much as I try to refrain from watching any of this guys' videos due to his dumbfuckery, it proves a point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY3H237EAa8

Anywhere between slightly under 1 MOA (SIG 550 cost and quality) to 2-3 MOA (good AK/AR cost and quality) to more than 4 MOA (crappy AK/AR cost and quality).

Probably 2 MoA then.

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1moa would certainly be achievable, especially if you were to use a FF tube, but having said that, your larger stepping stone will be your ammunition quality and your soldiers

FF tube?

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Apparently some ARs get 1 MOA out of the box.

But at what cost?

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/513646_.html

As others have mentioned, a lot of it will come down to the shooter themselves. A good trigger will also help a lot. You're going to need to set the rest of the rifle up for accuracy, as well. Note how they're all still using Colt (meaning, "mass produced") barrels, however.

tbh whenever I get back from BCT/AIT I'll most likely look into an AR-15.

Most likely get whatever that Colt rifle is that is pretty much a semi-automatic M4. Though I'd most likely put some aftermarket parts on it. Mil-spec is lowest bidder, which many people don't get.

Colt SP6920. Only thing making it different from an M4 are some of its markings, the barrel being 1.6" longer, and the fact it's semi-automatic. You're looking at ~$1,000.00 bone-stock model.

Alternatively, just build your own AR-15 to mil-spec. off of a custom-engraved receiver built to mimic a real military model. Buy a 14.5" M4-profile barrel and have an A2-style flash hider permanently attached (pinned or welded) to it for total barrel length of 16+" per BATFE regulations.

Presto. Legit M4 minus the giggle switch.

Receivers: http://www.yorkarms.com/receiver.html

LOL you rly need to quit lying.

I know its the internet and all and we people tend to blow themselves up but srsly do you even know a PI? Let alone one who owns a fully automatic G3 battle rifle and a PSG-1 sniper rifle?

Do you know how stupid that sounds? I hope you do, because I do. Well all do.

What's the purpose in lying about something if it doesn't benefit me? If I'm trying for popularity there are much better routes to go then lying about a weapon or job. Especially lying about being a PI. Nearly anyone that is LEO or knows anything about the job will tell you it's not that big of a deal. Same for the guns, it's not hard getting the G3 if your records clean and building your own PSG1 is just a matter of time and money.

your job being what exactly?

Private Investigator.........yes I know that I might never need it but it's also tax deductible since it's a business purchase.

In all my years in law enforcement...I have never seen a private investigator (note that in Ohio ALL licensed security guards are PI's if their company chooses to pay the fee) need anything moe than a pistol...and in general, not even that.

Investigation....not really requiring use of force as a rule. Ask detectives how often they use their firearms.

But hey man, whatever you say.

The PSG 1 has actually come in handy the G3 was more of a want.

I've heard some interesting stories working at an FFL07/Class 2 SOT, but I'd say this tops them. Pretty sure private investigators are civilians and can only conduct citizens' arrests. Literally any use of force, barring self-defense (or defense of a third party), would be a crime. Thus, you won't be using a fully-automatic G3, and definitely not sniping individuals. Handgun? Sure. For that, however, you often times (if not always) will need to qualify with your facility to prove that you are able to responsibly carry a firearm on the job since, you know, you're a civilian. You have to get a CCW and also qualify in-house. Pretty hard to CC a G3 or PSG-1. Adding to that, you would have to have your Form 4 present at all times when your G3 was with you, otherwise you're violating NFA laws dictating that a citizen who privately owns a fully-automatic or other NFA firearm must have copy of their documentation present with the firearm at all times. Going through a trust (your employer)? Then I guess you can't call it "your" G3 since it is thereby owned by every employee in that establishment that is listed under that trust (which, in itself, requires multiple members to be formed, anyway).

http://www.guntrustlawyer.net/

Let me strip a quote:

The veteran was referred to Marty Seidler by his stockbroker to prepare an NFA gun trust. Marty drafted the trust and the veteran was able to acquire the sub machine gun in the name of the trust without the need for the Sheriff’s approval. His trust is now the proud owner of a suppressed 9mm sub machine gun, whose use, he and his trust beneficiaries, can also enjoy.”

You're also saying you have a G3. Pretty sure these weren't imported. Ever. The closest you'll get Stateside as a non-FFL/SOT is an HK91 with a full-auto sear pack. Since HK91 =/= G3 (because letters), you won't have a G3 variant of any kind.

http://www.m4carbine.net/archive/index.php/t-33942.html

As you can see, it's outlining the semi-automatic rifles in G3-type config. throughout the years from Heckler and Cock. Note: import. Gun Control Act of 1968 says them there full-autos can't be imported for civilian use.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Contro ... strictions

Obviously, full-automatic function is "non-sporting," and since the HK41 of the 1960s was required by the BATFE to be semi-automatic only, every imported G3-alike thereafter will also be semi-automatic only if it is ending up in civilian hands. What about non-civilian hands (read; not you or me)?

http://www.hk-usa.com/civilian_products ... 152009.asp

Yeah, well, not happening. H&K's first US-based factory opened in 2009. What does that mean? It means anything HK full-auto is MIL/LEO/SOT only or a semi-to-full-auto conversion since it was obviously imported prior to that date.

http://www.machinegunpriceguide.com/htm ... a_conv.HTM

What this means in reality terms is that almost all of the fully transferable H&K type machine guns available for purchase by individuals are those guns converted from semi-automatic versions originally imported as Title I guns, since only a very, very few of the factory original machine guns were ever imported prior to GCA ‘68. And the vast majority of those Pre-68 factory guns being imported were imported either in an attempt at attracting Law Enforcement and/or Government sales, or for sales directly to those entities, which means they may never have moved into the arena of normal commerce. There were also an extremely limited number of H&K weapons imported into this country Pre-1968 by domestic Firearms companies who sponsored the designs under their own name and model designations in US trials, and would have built and supported them had the contracts ever been awarded; the guns from the firm of Harrington & Richardson are most well known, and these guns eventually made it into many private collections when the H&R Museum collection was sold off. It is known, also, that a certain small number of private individuals did in fact personally import these factory original guns when it was still legal to do so, so they represent a legitimate source of fully transferable factory guns, though their numbers are unfortunately extremely small and their collectors’ value is understandably extremely high. So if we wish to discount these select few fully transferable factory original machine guns on grounds of pricing or rarity we are left with the vastly more common NFA registered conversions of their semi-automatic cousins, which should indicate our choices are narrowed considerably, but unfortunately that is not the case!

Ain't no P.I. or department affording that shit for one person. That said, if you do somehow have a transferable HK-legit-from-factory-G3, you're way too fucking rich to be on NationStates. You should probably be having prostitutes covered in mountains of cocaine for breakfast, lunch, and dinner instead while sailing the Atlantic on your 300ft. yacht made of gold, trimmed with poached ivory, as you demand more hard liquor from Timto the Servant Boy.

The soviets did it to ease manufacturing of small arms and ammunition

Just like I did with my necking down of 7.62x25 to 7.5mm. I wonder how many people here other than my self even think of these things.

Between my current military handgun, assault rifle, and battle rifle/sniper rifle round, I am using two bore diameters.

Actually the Tokarev barrel is well known for wide variations in the chambers actual size. For instance the barrel on mine is .310

Makes sense since the 7.62x25mm's bullet diameter is 7.87mm (.310 caliber). The 7.62x39mm comes from the Soviets measuring land-to-land, not groove-to-groove (which my translates AKM manual displays).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62%C3%9725mm_Tokarev

They mean that you can't use regular AR action unless you raise the stock a bit.

Well I based it off the mk216 and I guess I just moved the ejection port for no real reason.

Would it work without a buffer tube? I'm assuming it would all be okay if it didn't have that shit.

How long must I declare the Daewoo K2 to be the best 5.56x45mm AR-almost ever until you people realize its truth?

Go with Daewoo-style internals for maximum awesome. If you want to stick to DGI, just use the Daewoo K1A1's internals, modify as needed.

[Fordorsia]

So, I'm back and I brought some weird shit.
http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/nstv/2012/01/stronger-than-steel-spider-silk-skin-takes-a-bullet.html
Anyone read Altered Carbon(Damn good book)? Transhuman shit is coming fast.

And a question would it be possible to produce/use square polymer cased telescopic ammunition?
It could allow better space efficency with single stack magazines, thus allowing small self-defence pistols to use more powerful rounds or be even smaller.

Except a bullet would probably just tear the skin around it and fuck the tissue up anyway. Using soft materials to stop bullets is the worst thing to do.

[Bezombia]

As much as I try to refrain from watching any of this guys' videos due to his dumbfuckery, it proves a point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY3H237EAa8

...wow
that...uh...I can see why that would be problematic

[United Republics of Aralon]

So, I'm back and I brought some weird shit.
http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/nstv/2012/01/stronger-than-steel-spider-silk-skin-takes-a-bullet.html
Anyone read Altered Carbon(Damn good book)? Transhuman shit is coming fast.

And a question would it be possible to produce/use square polymer cased telescopic ammunition?
It could allow better space efficency with single stack magazines, thus allowing small self-defence pistols to use more powerful rounds or be even smaller.

Except a bullet would probably just tear the skin around it and fuck the tissue up anyway. Using soft materials to stop bullets is the worst thing to do.

This is the skin. Its embedded in the skin. Dunno English words for anatomy, gonna find a dictionary, and edit, brb.
EDIT
So, this would, if employed, replace collagens and other fibrous proteins, with fibroin(and maybe ceratin in the ceratinocytes in the epidermis), which is the main component of spidersilk in the transhuman specimen.Thus the spider silk mesh would be an integral and regenerating component of the skin.
This would not serve to catch bullets, but more of as an extra degree of protection besides a vest, and protection from minor fragmentation and cutting/piercing weaponry.
And this is very sci-fi and theoretical and raises shit tons of ethical questions. Not to speak about the probability, that severly modifying skin structure could lead to ill efects, which must be countered via additional gene meddling.

[Bezombia]

Seems like anything supersonic penetrates it. Bad.

[Sevvania]

Wait would that work with the stock folded?

Its a cleaning capsule. contains parts for assembly/dis assembly and cleaning of the rifle that it stored in the butt of most Russian service rifles since the introduction of the SKS, a practice started with the PPSH-41 IIRC. Has no vital parts that removing the stock of the rifle wuld effect.

Not directed at just beno but everyone...Did you all not know that?

Sevvania knew this! *hefts SKS*

Sevvania smart!

[Fordorsia]

Except a bullet would probably just tear the skin around it and fuck the tissue up anyway. Using soft materials to stop bullets is the worst thing to do.

This is the skin. Its embedded in the skin. Dunno English words for anatomy, gonna find a dictionary, and edit, brb.

Even if it was literally bullet proof, the bullet will still fuck you up by dragging that shit with it into your body.

[United Republics of Aralon]

This is the skin. Its embedded in the skin. Dunno English words for anatomy, gonna find a dictionary, and edit, brb.

Even if it was literally bullet proof, the bullet will still fuck you up by dragging that shit with it into your body.

The stuff is biocompatible. Will not be much worse than actual skin getting dragged in the wound, and will not present nearly as much a problem as clothing.
And again, this isn't near future stuff, nor is it ever supposed to replace other layers of protection. It just adds a bit of extra. With no additional weight and no need to ever take it off. It would not offer any huge improvement from a miltary standpoint, but would still be better than puny normal skin.

Any oppinions on the square round?

[Bezombia]

Even if it was literally bullet proof, the bullet will still fuck you up by dragging that shit with it into your body.

The stuff is biocompatible. Will not be much worse than actual skin getting dragged in the wound, and will not present nearly as much a problem as clothing.
And again, this isn't near future stuff, nor is it ever supposed to replace other layers of protection. It just adds a bit of extra. With no additional weight and no need to ever take it off.

It was penetrated by a round going 1,100 FPS.

Some loadings of .45 ACP get above that.

[Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen]

Any opinions on the square round?

G11 used square propellant blocks.

[United Republics of Aralon]

The stuff is biocompatible. Will not be much worse than actual skin getting dragged in the wound, and will not present nearly as much a problem as clothing.
And again, this isn't near future stuff, nor is it ever supposed to replace other layers of protection. It just adds a bit of extra. With no additional weight and no need to ever take it off.

It was penetrated by a round going 1,100 FPS.

Some loadings of .45 ACP get above that.

I'm not saying this would replace armor. It would replace your skin with a better, more durable one. .22lr is no bullet. .22 lr proof means damn tough,not bullet proof.
Besides even if .45 would not go trough it'd still fuck you up via concussion(broken ribs,internal bleedig,intestinal rupture etc...) if it hit skin without any padding, however bulletproof that skin may be.

[United Republics of Aralon]

Any opinions on the square round?

G11 used square propellant blocks.

I'm talking about cased rounds, as I have never seen a pistol designed to handle caseless. Do you think it'd stil work?

[Bezombia]

G11 used square propellant blocks.

I'm talking about cased rounds, as I have never seen a pistol designed to handle caseless. Do you think it'd stil work?

G11 PDW is a pistol that fires caseless rounds.

[Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen]

G11 used square propellant blocks.

I'm talking about cased rounds, as I have never seen a pistol designed to handle caseless. Do you think it'd stil work?

Now you have. Use caseless.