Main Military Weapon of Your Country: Part 12

[Purpelia]

I just really, really wanted to use that phrase for like forever. Plus, I was addressing the very few who were just booing unconstructively. Plus, it's like 4AM here. I think. It's a bit of a bloody blur this time of day.

Yeah, it's obvious that we're doing something bad even though there was a moderator involved in the conversation.

I honestly did not notice the red name until after. I just went with the post I quoted and the gut feeling I got from knowing where these kinds of arguments end up.

[Black Hand]

one has a short barrel and the other has a barrel so long it goes off the pic?

Or perhaps the .223 has so little power that the buffer tube must be cut in half in order for the rifle to operate normally?
Or maybe the 5.56 requires rails in order to handle all the baby killing energy?
Perhaps the friction lever forces lower pressure ammunition?

WAIT! It must be the sling!

Beano knowz!

(I shouldn't have used a carbine and a rifle in the example....because then there were differences, which kind of defeated the joke)

it's so sad how the moment you start using metric that the weapons become baby murdering Cop killing machines, unless they're in the hands of the US military then they magically become airsoft pellets.

[Bezombia]

Hey Trans, is it bad that whenever I see your name of much orangeness, I think someone's been banned/about to get banned?

Same here.
Every time I see red in my UCP I assume someone got banned.

[Transnapastain]

Hey Trans, is it bad that whenever I see your name of much orangeness, I think someone's been banned/about to get banned?

It shouldn't here. Though I don't post as often as I used to.

You're using dark theme, aren't you?

[Fordorsia]

Hey Trans, is it bad that whenever I see your name of much orangeness, I think someone's been banned/about to get banned?

It shouldn't here. Though I don't post as often as I used to.

You're using dark theme, aren't you?

what

[Bezombia]

It shouldn't here. Though I don't post as often as I used to.

You're using dark theme, aren't you?

what

http://www.nationstates.net/page=settings

theme --> dark

[Transnapastain]

It shouldn't here. Though I don't post as often as I used to.

You're using dark theme, aren't you?

what

Moderator names are red, not orange, except when one is using the dark theme for NS.



See?

Edit: Well, they look similar there...but I swear it looks different to me when I change from antiquity to dark....

anyways....

[Bezombia]

what

Moderator names are red, not orange, except when one is using the dark theme for NS.



See?

That looks exactly the same to me

[Fordorsia]

what

http://www.nationstates.net/page=settings

theme --> dark

Oh my God why would anyone use that.

what

Moderator names are red, not orange, except when one is using the dark theme for NS.



See?

Edit: Well, they look similar there...but I swear it looks different to me when I change from antiquity to dark....

anyways....

It's probably because I usually only see you post late at night when I'm on my laptop, which happens to have slightly different colouration than my PC. Also, they're both orange as shit oranges.

[Alimeria-]

Also to change the subject back to guns

Would my FAL-Garand rifle be able to use an SKS folding bayonet and if so how long would it be? If not, then will either use M44 Bayonet or just a regular attachable version

[Aqizithiuda]

Also to change the subject back to guns

Would my FAL-Garand rifle be able to use an SKS folding bayonet and if so how long would it be? If not, then will either use M44 Bayonet or just a regular attachable version

Yes and however long you want it to be.

[Hodori]

Let's all list our current & past cartridges

I didn't miss the train, did I?

[Aqizithiuda]

Let's all list our current & past cartridges

I didn't miss the train, did I?

That's pretty awesome.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

NEW TOPIC!

Let's all list our current & past cartridges

Me:

Main Service cartridge:
-7.62x39mm ComBloc ~ 1960s-1972, 1992-2002
-7x47 Benomian ~ 1972-1992
-7.62x63mmHP ~ 2002-2008
-7.8x65mmHP ~ 2008-
-6.8x50mmMP ~ 2010-
-6.8x50mm Casless ~ 2013-

MG/DMR specialized cartridges:
-.30-06 ~ 1960s-1978
-7.92x60 ~ 1978-2002
-7.62x63mmHP ~ 2002-2008
-7.8x65mmHP ~ 2008- (-2013 for DMR)
-.270 Casless Magnum ~ 2013- (DMR only)

Pistol/subgun/pdw cartridges:
-10x25 Benomian ~ 1978-1994
-11x23 Phricktic ~ 1983-1994
-.45 Nuo ~ 1994-2012
-.45 Nko ~ 2000-2012
-7.62x25mm Tokarev +P+ CBJ HSLD HV MAXIMUM ~ 2012-

Sniper/AMR cartridges:
-.390 Maximum ~ 1980-1991
-10x80 Scheisser ~ 1991-2005
-.40-4000 Scheisser Magnum ~ 2005-
-12.5x95 OKAK ~ 1986-1991
-13x113 ~ 1991-2011
-16x100 ~ 2004-2011
-13x130 Caseless Magnum ~ 2011-

THINK that's all of them. THINK.

Alas, my habit of changing cartridges weekly (or daily) has made listing past cartridges near impossible. I can, however, list my current cartridges.

7.92x23mm PPat-50 (Pistols, Machine Pistols, PDWs, SMGs)
4.6x26mm GwPat-80 (Assault rifles, LSWs, PDWs)
9x25mm GwPat-50 (Heavy Rifles, Silenced Rifles, Heavy PDWs)
7.92x57mm Mauser GwPat-40 (DMRs, LMGs, Ceremonial Rifles)
9x57mm Mauser (Sniper Rifles, Medium Machine Guns)
13.5x115mm (AMRs, HMGs, Pocket Pistols)
35x120mm Gyrojet (Grenade Rifles)
35x60mm Grenade (UBGLs, GMGs)

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In other news, I re-remade my 4.6mm projectile. It now, once again, has an effective range that is longer than it's accurate range. It also has an effective range of 550m when fired from an LSW's 24in barrel.

[Yes Im Biop]

No, seriously. Just wait and see. Trust me. When have I ever lead you astray?

About 3 times a day, Need I remind you of such failed Ideas such as the Thermite Tank shell, and the Non Lethal/Super Lethal Anti Riot radiation weapon?

[Aqizithiuda]

NEW TOPIC!

Let's all list our current & past cartridges

Me:

Main Service cartridge:
-7.62x39mm ComBloc ~ 1960s-1972, 1992-2002
-7x47 Benomian ~ 1972-1992
-7.62x63mmHP ~ 2002-2008
-7.8x65mmHP ~ 2008-
-6.8x50mmMP ~ 2010-
-6.8x50mm Casless ~ 2013-

MG/DMR specialized cartridges:
-.30-06 ~ 1960s-1978
-7.92x60 ~ 1978-2002
-7.62x63mmHP ~ 2002-2008
-7.8x65mmHP ~ 2008- (-2013 for DMR)
-.270 Casless Magnum ~ 2013- (DMR only)

Pistol/subgun/pdw cartridges:
-10x25 Benomian ~ 1978-1994
-11x23 Phricktic ~ 1983-1994
-.45 Nuo ~ 1994-2012
-.45 Nko ~ 2000-2012
-7.62x25mm Tokarev +P+ CBJ HSLD HV MAXIMUM ~ 2012-

Sniper/AMR cartridges:
-.390 Maximum ~ 1980-1991
-10x80 Scheisser ~ 1991-2005
-.40-4000 Scheisser Magnum ~ 2005-
-12.5x95 OKAK ~ 1986-1991
-13x113 ~ 1991-2011
-16x100 ~ 2004-2011
-13x130 Caseless Magnum ~ 2011-

THINK that's all of them. THINK.

Alas, my habit of changing cartridges weekly (or daily) has made listing past cartridges near impossible. I can, however, list my current cartridges.

7.92x23mm PPat-50 (Pistols, Machine Pistols, PDWs, SMGs)
4.6x26mm GwPat-80 (Assault rifles, LSWs, PDWs)
9x25mm GwPat-50 (Heavy Rifles, Silenced Rifles, Heavy PDWs)
7.92x57mm Mauser GwPat-40 (DMRs, LMGs, Ceremonial Rifles)
9x57mm Mauser (Sniper Rifles, Medium Machine Guns)
13.5x115mm (AMRs, HMGs, Pocket Pistols)
35x120mm Gyrojet (Grenade Rifles)
35x60mm Grenade (UBGLs, GMGs)

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In other news, I re-remade my 4.6mm projectile. It now, once again, has an effective range that is longer than it's accurate range. It also has an effective range of 550m when fired from an LSW's 24in barrel.

Don't forget to add the accuracy of your weapon to the windage and drop.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Don't forget to add the accuracy of your weapon to the windage and drop.

Gladly.

How?

[Bezombia]

toask


anyway, is the AN-94's muzzle device integral to its action like the AKS-74U's is?

[Yes Im Biop]

Alas, my habit of changing cartridges weekly (or daily) has made listing past cartridges near impossible. I can, however, list my current cartridges.

7.92x23mm PPat-50 (Pistols, Machine Pistols, PDWs, SMGs)
4.6x26mm GwPat-80 (Assault rifles, LSWs, PDWs)
9x25mm GwPat-50 (Heavy Rifles, Silenced Rifles, Heavy PDWs)
7.92x57mm Mauser GwPat-40 (DMRs, LMGs, Ceremonial Rifles)
9x57mm Mauser (Sniper Rifles, Medium Machine Guns)
13.5x115mm (AMRs, HMGs, Pocket Pistols)
35x120mm Gyrojet (Grenade Rifles)
35x60mm Grenade (UBGLs, GMGs)

---

In other news, I re-remade my 4.6mm projectile. It now, once again, has an effective range that is longer than it's accurate range. It also has an effective range of 550m when fired from an LSW's 24in barrel.

Don't forget to add the accuracy of your weapon to the windage and drop.

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3/4 of my rounds are made by me. And the other 1/5 are Arch's
Let's see


Pistol Rounds
8.2mm Arch SLAP

Rifle Rounds:
10x90 BIOINC, SLAP,

LMG Rounds:
8.6x60mm SLAP, HP, HPI

DSR Rounds
13x120mm SLAP, BIOINC, HE

AMR Rounds:
20x150mm SLAP, HE, HEI, HPI

Recoiless Rifle rounds:
90X200mm HE, HESH, HEAT, Thermal, Graphite,

[Aqizithiuda]

Don't forget to add the accuracy of your weapon to the windage and drop.

Gladly.

How?

Add it. Literally.

For example, a rifle with an accuracy of 2 MOA will have a natural dispersion of 2 inches at 100 yards. If, at thus range, it has been blown half an inch off course, the bullet will impact anywhere on the horizontal axis up to 2.5 inches from the point of aim.

Similarly, if the projectile has a drop of 1 inch at 100 yards, it could strike anywhere on the vertical plane up to 3 inches from the point of aim.

At least, that's my theory.

[Khornatenreich]

Gladly.

How?

Add it. Literally.

For example, a rifle with an accuracy of 2 MOA will have a natural dispersion of 2 inches at 100 yards. If, at thus range, it has been blown half an inch off course, the bullet will impact anywhere on the horizontal axis up to 2.5 inches from the point of aim.

Similarly, if the projectile has a drop of 1 inch at 100 yards, it could strike anywhere on the vertical plane up to 3 inches from the point of aim.

At least, that's my theory.

Speaking of MV, I found out from one of my big-bore hunting associates (they do their own handloading, of which is fully understandable considering the cost of ammo like .600 Express an' whatnot). Well, according to im' the MV on the Kommandantpistole is "alright" due to the upped powder-load, lengthened case, ect for the 8.93R. In Paul's exact words "It'll be a mighty loud sombitch, but fuckall, that and the kick'll be fuckin' crazy.". So, well, yeah, I'll fiddle with the barrel and extend the chamber-area, but yarp, otherwise, you were halfways correct and I was halfways wrong.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Add it. Literally.

For example, a rifle with an accuracy of 2 MOA will have a natural dispersion of 2 inches at 100 yards. If, at thus range, it has been blown half an inch off course, the bullet will impact anywhere on the horizontal axis up to 2.5 inches from the point of aim.

Similarly, if the projectile has a drop of 1 inch at 100 yards, it could strike anywhere on the vertical plane up to 3 inches from the point of aim.

At least, that's my theory.

Seems reasonable. Any idea on the accuracy of a mass produced barrel?

[Aqizithiuda]

Add it. Literally.

For example, a rifle with an accuracy of 2 MOA will have a natural dispersion of 2 inches at 100 yards. If, at thus range, it has been blown half an inch off course, the bullet will impact anywhere on the horizontal axis up to 2.5 inches from the point of aim.

Similarly, if the projectile has a drop of 1 inch at 100 yards, it could strike anywhere on the vertical plane up to 3 inches from the point of aim.

At least, that's my theory.

Speaking of MV, I found out from one of my big-bore hunting associates (they do their own handloading, of which is fully understandable considering the cost of ammo like .600 Express an' whatnot). Well, according to im' the MV on the Kommandantpistole is "alright" due to the upped powder-load, lengthened case, ect for the 8.93R. In Paul's exact words "It'll be a mighty loud sombitch, but fuckall, that and the kick'll be fuckin' crazy.". So, well, yeah, I'll fiddle with the barrel and extend the chamber-area, but yarp, otherwise, you were halfways correct and I was halfways wrong.

Just to double check, he did know the barrel length?

Add it. Literally.

For example, a rifle with an accuracy of 2 MOA will have a natural dispersion of 2 inches at 100 yards. If, at thus range, it has been blown half an inch off course, the bullet will impact anywhere on the horizontal axis up to 2.5 inches from the point of aim.

Similarly, if the projectile has a drop of 1 inch at 100 yards, it could strike anywhere on the vertical plane up to 3 inches from the point of aim.

At least, that's my theory.

Seems reasonable. Any idea on the accuracy of a mass produced barrel?

Anywhere between slightly under 1 MOA (SIG 550 cost and quality) to 2-3 MOA (good AK/AR cost and quality) to more than 4 MOA (crappy AK/AR cost and quality).

[Bhelyant]

Seems reasonable. Any idea on the accuracy of a mass produced barrel?

1moa would certainly be achievable, especially if you were to use a FF tube, but having said that, your larger stepping stone will be your ammunition quality and your soldiers

[Bezombia]

Apparently some ARs get 1 MOA out of the box.