Main Military Weapon of Your Country: Part 12

[Aqizithiuda]

Since when were you using a 16" barrel?

The question originally proposed by CA was if 6.5 Grendel would make for a good round for a general issue rifle, so I just assumed that we were all talking about carbines, especially since you made the claim 6.5 G would be a poor performer at short distances.

You have me confused with Tule.

[Central Alkebulan]

I used the effective range of the Ak-47 off wiki. What should it be then?

Wikipedia article on AKM says:
Effective range 400 m
Maximum range 1000 m

400m is what you should go with.

BH: No. Just...no.
...
Ununoctium powered railgun is better.

My numbers were in feet though, so should be fine right? (400 meters = 1,300 feet).

And one more question, the drawing. Is it only the magazine I need to fix or are there other parts of it? I know the 7.62x39mm round is a little smaller then the width of a dollar so I've been keeping that in mind for scale.

[Black Hand]

Tiberium Powered Railgun Y/N?

y

Alrighty then.... Now to come up with it.
Since I can't into Art, Stats it is.

[Tule]

If both cartridges were to use the same bullet, the wider bullet of the same weight at the same velocity would be a better choice for close range combat like what could be expected in your country. It would make a bigger hole in humans, which means more severe wounds.

I'd imagine that's true if we're hunting deer with hollowpoints, but since the trend for military ammunition is to use a round that either fragments, yaws, or tumbles, why wouldn't the *longer* round be more lethal? Those specific types would actually favour the smaller diametres, assuming a similar bullet weight.

A wider bullet will encounter greater resistance when it hits flesh, which means more reliable fragmentation.
Tumbling is all nice when it occurs, but it does not occur all the time and a tumbling bullet will only travels sideways in flesh for a very short distance, a smaller bullet will for most of it's travel through a person make a small hole.

A wider bullet will always have the advantage when it comes to destroying flesh.

[Galla-]

Fragmentation is less preferable to tumbling tbh.

[Tule]

Fragmentation is less preferable to tumbling tbh.

Care to elaborate? Maybe even provide a source?

[Bezombia]

Wikipedia article on AKM says:
Effective range 400 m
Maximum range 1000 m

400m is what you should go with.

BH: No. Just...no.
...
Ununoctium powered railgun is better.

My numbers were in feet though, so should be fine right? (400 meters = 1,300 feet).

And one more question, the drawing. Is it only the magazine I need to fix or are there other parts of it? I know the 7.62x39mm round is a little smaller then the width of a dollar so I've been keeping that in mind for scale.

A lot of stuff was wrong.
For one thing the barrel was a bit too short. The magazine was WAY too wide, and the action interfered with the grip on the bottom pic. The gas tube was very, VERY thin. Also, straight pistol grips are very bad. Finally, either you lack an ejection port or you lack a bolt carrier. Either of these things along will cause the rifle to fire a single shot and then basically blow up.

[Galla-]

Fragmentation is less preferable to tumbling tbh.

Care to elaborate? Maybe even provide a source?

Yawing produces larger, more reliable wound channels.

[Yes Im Biop]

I know. But an Alloy of Tungsten and something would be harder yes?

Not necessarily. More importantly, it's not needed.

All righty then

Care to elaborate? Maybe even provide a source?

Yawing produces larger, more reliable wound channels.

And Fragging dumps all the energy, What's your point

[Galla-]

Not necessarily. More importantly, it's not needed.

All righty then

Yawing produces larger, more reliable wound channels.

And Fragging dumps all the energy, What's your point

This is why people explode when wearing bullet proof vests. o:

[Puzikas]

Fragmenting and Yawing will both fuck you up internally. Tumbling provides a much larger wound channel, meaning in an instance in which is does not strike a vital organ it will produce a very serious wound, moreso than a number of smaller wounds one might get from fragmenting. This also translates well to penetration of solid objects.

While fragmenting provides more of a chance to strike a vital organ (to be honest, the inside of a person is so compacted in terms of organ location hitting one is not hard, its hitting a vital one that is a golden rule), it also would leave a less-serious internal wound if it does not strike.

Its all depending on too many factors to go though but, in general, its better to have expanding and yawing than fragmenting.

[Yes Im Biop]

All righty then




And Fragging dumps all the energy, What's your point

This is why people explode when wearing bullet proof vests. o:

I had a perfect picture for this at one point

[Yes Im Biop]

Fragmenting and Yawing will both fuck you up internally. Tumbling provides a much larger wound channel, meaning in an instance in which is does not strike a vital organ it will produce a very serious wound, moreso than a number of smaller wounds one might get from fragmenting. This also translates well to penetration of solid objects.

While fragmenting provides more of a chance to strike a vital organ (to be honest, the inside of a person is so compacted in terms of organ location hitting one is not hard, its hitting a vital one that is a golden rule), it also would leave a less-serious internal wound if it does not strike.

Its all depending on too many factors to go though but, in general, its better to have expanding and yawing than fragmenting.

I Agree but when it comes to killing I prefer quantity over quality, More pieces flying through someone would logically mean a higher chance to hit more than one organ.

[Galla-]

Fragmenting and Yawing will both fuck you up internally. Tumbling provides a much larger wound channel, meaning in an instance in which is does not strike a vital organ it will produce a very serious wound, moreso than a number of smaller wounds one might get from fragmenting. This also translates well to penetration of solid objects.

While fragmenting provides more of a chance to strike a vital organ (to be honest, the inside of a person is so compacted in terms of organ location hitting one is not hard, its hitting a vital one that is a golden rule), it also would leave a less-serious internal wound if it does not strike.

Its all depending on too many factors to go though but, in general, its better to have expanding and yawing than fragmenting.

Yer, this dude knows.

Fragmenting and Yawing will both fuck you up internally. Tumbling provides a much larger wound channel, meaning in an instance in which is does not strike a vital organ it will produce a very serious wound, moreso than a number of smaller wounds one might get from fragmenting. This also translates well to penetration of solid objects.

While fragmenting provides more of a chance to strike a vital organ (to be honest, the inside of a person is so compacted in terms of organ location hitting one is not hard, its hitting a vital one that is a golden rule), it also would leave a less-serious internal wound if it does not strike.

Its all depending on too many factors to go though but, in general, its better to have expanding and yawing than fragmenting.

I Agree but when it comes to killing I prefer quantity over quality, More pieces flying through someone would logically mean a higher chance to hit more than one organ.

Shooting properly (center of mass) will generally mean a fairly high chance to hit a vital organ anyway. \:

[Yes Im Biop]

Fragmenting and Yawing will both fuck you up internally. Tumbling provides a much larger wound channel, meaning in an instance in which is does not strike a vital organ it will produce a very serious wound, moreso than a number of smaller wounds one might get from fragmenting. This also translates well to penetration of solid objects.

While fragmenting provides more of a chance to strike a vital organ (to be honest, the inside of a person is so compacted in terms of organ location hitting one is not hard, its hitting a vital one that is a golden rule), it also would leave a less-serious internal wound if it does not strike.

Its all depending on too many factors to go though but, in general, its better to have expanding and yawing than fragmenting.

Yer, this dude knows.

I Agree but when it comes to killing I prefer quantity over quality, More pieces flying through someone would logically mean a higher chance to hit more than one organ.

Shooting properly (center of mass) will generally mean a fairly high chance to hit a vital organ anyway. \:

Puz Knows everything
Correct it does. But why not heighten that chance?

[Black Hand]

CSR-C "diamondBack" (Combat Sniper Rifle-Compact)
Cartridge: 9X30 Caseless
Action: Bolt, Externally powered linear motor.
Length: 30"
Barrel length: 20"
Weight: 6Kg
Effective Range: 800m against Armored targets
Maximum range: 3000m
Projectile weight: 600 gr
Muzzle Velocity: 1650 m/s

Background: THe CSR-C Diamondback was developed as a Long range precision weapon, without sacrificing mobility in an urban environment. THE CSR-C Diamondback is deployed in Combat teams as a Sniper weapon, or as support for an AMR (AMR teams are three man, sniper, spotter, overwatch/pack mule)

[Tule]

Care to elaborate? Maybe even provide a source?

Yawing produces larger, more reliable wound channels.

When neither bullet fragments, they both create the same wound channel.

When the West-German bullet fragments, your small intestine is scattered all over the ground behind you.

[Yes Im Biop]

Yawing produces larger, more reliable wound channels.

When neither bullet fragments, they both create the same wound channel.

When the West-German bullet fragments, your small intestine is scattered all over the ground behind you.

Goddamn Germans. Gotta love their ability to kill.

[Galla-]

When neither bullet fragments, they both create the same wound channel.

When the West-German bullet fragments, your small intestine is scattered all over the ground behind you.

Goddamn Germans. Gotta love their ability to kill.

[Yes Im Biop]

Goddamn Germans. Gotta love their ability to kill.

Still don't understand that

[Puzikas]

Fragmenting and Yawing will both fuck you up internally. Tumbling provides a much larger wound channel, meaning in an instance in which is does not strike a vital organ it will produce a very serious wound, moreso than a number of smaller wounds one might get from fragmenting. This also translates well to penetration of solid objects.

While fragmenting provides more of a chance to strike a vital organ (to be honest, the inside of a person is so compacted in terms of organ location hitting one is not hard, its hitting a vital one that is a golden rule), it also would leave a less-serious internal wound if it does not strike.

Its all depending on too many factors to go though but, in general, its better to have expanding and yawing than fragmenting.

Yer, this dude knows.

Thats my job, after all.

[Yes Im Biop]

Yer, this dude knows.

Thats my job, after all.

I thought your job was

Im Puzikas, and I study How people die. I wear body armor for a living, and like SubMachine Guns. I am also engaged in a legal battle with H&K over This post Not really though. I'm Terra Firmas Russian analog, and an evil foreigner. Any questions on Russian small arms, feel free to telegram me.

[Tule]

Yer, this dude knows.

Thats my job, after all.

Puzikas, I must inquire.

According to most sources I've read, fragmentation does more than leave many small wound channels, It literally shreds and detaches the surrounding flesh from the body.

Top of page 38:

"We suggest that the multiple fragments are likely to cut across many muscle bundles in two places and that the piece between cuts is then likely to be completely detached by the subsequent sudden stretch of the temporary cavitation"

I also remember a post on NSD which included a picture of a human leg hit by a 5.56mm M193 from across a street.
The leg had a fist sized hole in it.

What's your take on that?

[Black Hand]

Thats my job, after all.

I thought your job was

Im Puzikas, and I study How people die.

See?

[Central Alkebulan]

My numbers were in feet though, so should be fine right? (400 meters = 1,300 feet).

And one more question, the drawing. Is it only the magazine I need to fix or are there other parts of it? I know the 7.62x39mm round is a little smaller then the width of a dollar so I've been keeping that in mind for scale.

A lot of stuff was wrong.
For one thing the barrel was a bit too short. The magazine was WAY too wide, and the action interfered with the grip on the bottom pic. The gas tube was very, VERY thin. Also, straight pistol grips are very bad. Finally, either you lack an ejection port or you lack a bolt carrier. Either of these things along will cause the rifle to fire a single shot and then basically blow up.

Alright, thank you for your help thus far.

I think I fixed everything:
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-Lengthened the barrel.
-Expanded gas
-Gave a little room for the bolt to operate
-Fixed the magazine
-Added ejection port
-Fixed pistol grip?