Main Military Weapon of Your Country: Part 12

[Kouralia]

Pretty normally, I believe. You just move your cheek further back for the obvious reasons.

Showing the posture.

L129A2 should obviously be the new service rifle.

Too AR15-y. Needs more British-developed.

[Black Hand]

L129A2 should obviously be the new service rifle.

Too AR15-y. Needs more British-developed.

XM8?

[Fordorsia]

L129A2 should obviously be the new service rifle.

Too AR15-y. Needs more British-developed.

Is there even any public information on it? I can't find anything about it anywhere. All I can find are news articles with simple, generic and often incorrect terms.

[Fischermann]

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AG-78 m/90

Name: AG-78 (Automatiskgevär model 78; "Automatic rifle, model of 1978)
Origin: High Kingdom of Estovnia
Designer: Asger Ekström
Manufacturer: Numerous
Produced: 1977-Present
In service: 1978-Present
Cost: $550
Weight: 3.45 kg
Length: 946 mm
Barrel length: 380 mm
Cartridge: 4.5mm Jørgensen (4.5x45mm)
Action: Roller-delayed blowback
Rate of fire: 550 rpm
Effective range: 500 m
Feed system: 25 round detachable box magazine
Sights: Rear rotary diopter; hooded front post

7.62x39 variant a la HK32?

[Kouralia]

Too AR15-y. Needs more British-developed.

XM8?

>Needs to be more British
>Suggests HK weapon

[Risen Britannia]

Pretty normally, I believe. You just move your cheek further back for the obvious reasons.

Showing the posture.

L129A2 should obviously be the new service rifle.

As the A2s internals work fine, I believe it should have a life extension program and become the A3 with a lighter full polymer body, built in (powered?) top rails, and if they can work it in an ambidextrous ejection system (swapping the bolt).

XM8?

>Needs to be more British
>Suggests HK weapon

HK was British for a while

[Bhelyant]

Why wouldn't they just use SCAR-Hs then? It's not like the Belgians don't make good stuff, and it's not like they don't have a history of it or anything.

Is there even any public information on it? I can't find anything about it anywhere. All I can find are news articles with simple, generic and often incorrect terms.

I think it's just one of the 7.62 rifles by LMT, and then sold to the UK military by a distributor named LEI. something like this, with a 6x ACOG

[Risen Britannia]

SA80 replacement:
What i would like- Extend the SA80s life for another 10-20years, for it to be replaced by a CTA rifle (or whatever tech is being used in 2020-2030)

What i wouldn't mind- The SA80 is replaced by a variant of the AUG/F2000/TAR/other bullpup

What i expect- The decision is put off for another 10 years with no changes to the rife, it is then replaced by an AR15 variant.

[Fordorsia]

SA80 replacement:
What i would like- Extend the SA80s life for another 10-20years, for it to be replaced by a CTA rifle (or whatever tech is being used in 2020-2030)

What i wouldn't mind- The SA80 is replaced by a variant of the AUG/F2000/TAR/other bullpup

What i expect- The decision is put off for another 10 years with no changes to the rife, it is then replaced by an AR15 variant.

I doubt even the Americans will be using AR15 variants in 10 years. There will probably be another massive standardization for NATO, this time with the rifles.

[The Republic of Lanos]

SA80 replacement:
What i would like- Extend the SA80s life for another 10-20years, for it to be replaced by a CTA rifle (or whatever tech is being used in 2020-2030)

What i wouldn't mind- The SA80 is replaced by a variant of the AUG/F2000/TAR/other bullpup

What i expect- The decision is put off for another 10 years with no changes to the rife, it is then replaced by an AR15 variant.

I doubt even the Americans will be using AR15 variants in 10 years. There will probably be another massive standardization for NATO, this time with the rifles.

Then the final standardization of the STANAG magazines as well.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

I doubt even the Americans will be using AR15 variants in 10 years. There will probably be another massive standardization for NATO, this time with the rifles.

If not an AR-15, then what?

SCAR probably.

[Fordorsia]

I doubt even the Americans will be using AR15 variants in 10 years. There will probably be another massive standardization for NATO, this time with the rifles.

Then the final standardization of the STANAG magazines as well.

Final standardization?

I doubt even the Americans will be using AR15 variants in 10 years. There will probably be another massive standardization for NATO, this time with the rifles.

If not an AR-15, then what?

SCAR probably.

Seeing as though military rifles are getting smaller, probably not.

[Crookfur]

SA80 replacement:
What i would like- Extend the SA80s life for another 10-20years, for it to be replaced by a CTA rifle (or whatever tech is being used in 2020-2030)

What i wouldn't mind- The SA80 is replaced by a variant of the AUG/F2000/TAR/other bullpup

What i expect- The decision is put off for another 10 years with no changes to the rife, it is then replaced by an AR15 variant.

The trend for everyone at all special has been more and more ARness and with the L129 even the regulars are getting in on the action. As such i don;t personally see the adoption of something ARy as the regualr arm being far off.

of coruse there will be an open compeition followed by a period of "Uk speccing" that will take the winner from an affordable off the shelf solution to a multi billion pound rolls-royce program that won't actually deliver any rifles. Either that or the rifles will be rented from G4/serco/air tanker/any other value for money PPI industry partner and have excellent availbility as long as no comercial customer needs then and the british army gives 6months warning of a requirement for them.


Not that such rifles will be needed as the Dept. of Health and Safety will have banned us from sending troops anywhere that might psoe the slightest risk to thier health.


the only real question is how many people will Tony Williams have succesfully converted to the optimum intermediate cause

[The Republic of Lanos]

Then the final standardization of the STANAG magazines as well.

Final standardization?

The STANAG being the STANAG magazine is a draft, meaning there's no standard on what it's to be made of or anything else beyond it fits in the magwell.

[Crookfur]

Then the final standardization of the STANAG magazines as well.

Final standardization?

There isn't actually fucntional STANAG for 5.56mm magazines, STANAG 4179 was never ratified and whislt there has been a gradual movement to a rough standardisation on the M16/USGI pattern there can be a huge variation within those. See the various issues with HK mags, pmags and other stuff wit the likes of the M27 and various other "STANAG" magazine compatible weapons.

[Puzikas]

SA80 replacement:
What i would like- Extend the SA80s life for another 10-20years, for it to be replaced by a CTA rifle (or whatever tech is being used in 2020-2030)

What i wouldn't mind- The SA80 is replaced by a variant of the AUG/F2000/TAR/other bullpup

What i expect- The decision is put off for another 10 years with no changes to the rife, it is then replaced by an AR15 variant.

I doubt even the Americans will be using AR15 variants in 10 years. There will probably be another massive standardization for NATO, this time with the rifles.

I'd disagree. There's still 1.5 million or so M16s/M4s out there, and at 600 per to replace them, I'm doubtful its going to see the end of its service life until NATO moves to a new round.

[Risen Britannia]

The future British soldier:

The soldier of tomorrow will be equipped with a lightweight (.33kg lighter than L85), intermediate rifle. and will only carry 20kg of equipment on their person. (mustache is mandatory)

[The Republic of Lanos]

The future British soldier:
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The soldier of tomorrow will be equipped with a lightweight (.33kg lighter than L85), intermediate rifle. and will only carry 20kg of equipment on their person. (mustache is mandatory)

If only we all adopted .280 British.

[Bezombia]

I'm not so sure with the whole "AR gone in 10 years" thing.
How many times have they tried to replace it? How many times have they actually replaced it? And this is, keep in mind, originally planned to be a stopgap rifle until a new one could replace it.

No, I think it will be around for longer than that. Why? Because it takes a lot to replace a rifle.
The M1903/M1906 was replaced by the M1 because semi-automatic fire was a huge jump over bolt action. The M14 was replaced by the M1 because fully automatic fire was a huge jump over semi-automatic - however that failed, and the M16 replaced it bringing small calibers and controllable fully automatic fire.

In Britain, the same basic trend happened. Bolt action Lee Enfield, fully automatic heavy FAL, fully automatic light SA80.

Even in Russia the trend continues. The Mosin to the AK (full auto heavy) to the AK-74 (full auto light).

So for a new rifle to come about for any of the major nations, something big would have to happen - something as big as changing to fully automatic fire, or adopting intermediate cartridges. Russia almost got there with the AN-94 (extremely accurate burst fire) but the AN is very complicated and still really isn't seeing use. The Germans took a different route and likewise got very close with the G11 (extremely accurate burst fire and very lightweight caseless ammunition) but in addition to the complexity a whole mess of political issues, such as reunification, fucked up that idea and killed the program, leading to the G36.


And that kind of innovation isn't being seen in current military trials. Look at the Individual Carbine Competition - one of the requirements was that it fired 7.62x51 or 5.56x45, so no cartridge innovation. Also most of the entrants were basic rifles that were better than the AR but weren't really anything new. Whilst the entrants were certainly "new" rifles (such as the HK416, ACR, SCAR, etc.) the concepts behind them aren't new at all, with older rifles such as the AR-18 being very similar to IC Competition rifles.


To sum everything up, in short imo we'd need an american equivalent to the G11 in order to see the AR replaced - and even the G11 wouldn't be good enough, because the G11 was part of the ACR program and lost.

[Crookfur]

The future British soldier:
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The soldier of tomorrow will be equipped with a lightweight (.33kg lighter than L85), intermediate rifle. and will only carry 20kg of equipment on their person. (mustache is mandatory)

god the EM-2 carbine is a sexy little beast

[United Republics of Aralon]

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AG-78 m/90

Name: AG-78 (Automatiskgevär model 78; "Automatic rifle, model of 1978)
Origin: High Kingdom of Estovnia
Designer: Asger Ekström
Manufacturer: Numerous
Produced: 1977-Present
In service: 1978-Present
Cost: $550
Weight: 3.45 kg
Length: 946 mm
Barrel length: 380 mm
Cartridge: 4.5mm Jørgensen (4.5x45mm)
Action: Roller-delayed blowback
Rate of fire: 550 rpm
Effective range: 500 m
Feed system: 25 round detachable box magazine
Sights: Rear rotary diopter; hooded front post

For capping fools in snowy hills.

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Model 49

Caliber: 9.5x75mm

Range: 1000 yards

Rate of Fire: Bolt Action
Magazine Capacity: 5

First designed in 1949 to be adopted by the Fordorsian Military, it was later used by the Fordorsian Rural Guard after it was rejected by the military due to the overly large cartridge it used being unsuitable to modern warfare. The Rural Guard made requests about altering the rifle to their specifications after they found the rifle to be bulky and heavy. The stock of the rifle was then shortened considerably and a new stock was developed, designed to be used on rifles fitted with a telescopic sight.
The Model 49 was adopted in 1950 by the F.R.G and still sees use today, as well as finding it's way into the hands of some marksmen in the police and the military.

Most awesome,both.

[Fordorsia]

I doubt even the Americans will be using AR15 variants in 10 years. There will probably be another massive standardization for NATO, this time with the rifles.

I'd disagree. There's still 1.5 million or so M16s/M4s out there, and at 600 per to replace them, I'm doubtful its going to see the end of its service life until NATO moves to a new round.

Well didn't the last time they looked for a new rifle show that all the other rifles they compared to the M4 were more reliable? I'm sure rifles in the next few years will be much better then those so they'd probably have no choice but to get a new one.

I can't tell if I worded that correctly...

[Kouralia]

In Britain, the same basic trend happened. Bolt action Lee Enfield, fully automatic heavy FAL, fully automatic light SA80.

SLR was semi-only, except for the things that the SAS mucked about with, IIRC.

[United Republics of Aralon]

I'm not so sure with the whole "AR gone in 10 years" thing.
How many times have they tried to replace it? How many times have they actually replaced it? And this is, keep in mind, originally planned to be a stopgap rifle until a new one could replace it.

No, I think it will be around for longer than that. Why? Because it takes a lot to replace a rifle.
The M1903/M1906 was replaced by the M1 because semi-automatic fire was a huge jump over bolt action. The M14 was replaced by the M1 because fully automatic fire was a huge jump over semi-automatic - however that failed, and the M16 replaced it bringing small calibers and controllable fully automatic fire.

In Britain, the same basic trend happened. Bolt action Lee Enfield, fully automatic heavy FAL, fully automatic light SA80.

Even in Russia the trend continues. The Mosin to the AK (full auto heavy) to the AK-74 (full auto light).

So for a new rifle to come about for any of the major nations, something big would have to happen - something as big as changing to fully automatic fire, or adopting intermediate cartridges. Russia almost got there with the AN-94 (extremely accurate burst fire) but the AN is very complicated and still really isn't seeing use. The Germans took a different route and likewise got very close with the G11 (extremely accurate burst fire and very lightweight caseless ammunition) but in addition to the complexity a whole mess of political issues, such as reunification, fucked up that idea and killed the program, leading to the G36.


And that kind of innovation isn't being seen in current military trials. Look at the Individual Carbine Competition - one of the requirements was that it fired 7.62x51 or 5.56x45, so no cartridge innovation. Also most of the entrants were basic rifles that were better than the AR but weren't really anything new. Whilst the entrants were certainly "new" rifles (such as the HK416, ACR, SCAR, etc.) the concepts behind them aren't new at all, with older rifles such as the AR-18 being very similar to IC Competition rifles.


To sum everything up, in short imo we'd need an american equivalent to the G11 in order to see the AR replaced - and even the G11 wouldn't be good enough, because the G11 was part of the ACR program and lost.

The LSAT shows promise though. I saw a demonstration on youtube it is impressive and is said to be working by all sources I have came across.
Actually it is looking so good , that I am afraid that there will be some political fuck up and the whole program goes down the sink.
The arms manufacturing sector won1t take kindly to standardizing PCT or CL rounds wihch they are not ready to manufacture.

[United states of brazilian nations]

I demand you make a nagant-derived revolver chambered in .458 SOCOM. Except, heres'a twist for ye'. The .458 is loaded with a spire-point. This is a challenge I issue tae' thee, accept it and gain honor to your name.

a spire-point? you mean a pointed (spitzer-like) round with a soft tip? well, dis gonna be hard. anyways, shall i find enough time, i will try to do this.
you're aware that, even with the Nagant mechanism, the revolver won't achieve the same performance, right? the Nagant uses special rounds where the mouth/neck/whateveritsnameis of the case covers the bullet completely and even has a part ahead of it, so when it fires the case expansion seals the chamber/barrel, thus sealing all the gas. anyways, i guess a nagant mechanism will improve the performance a good bit. but i guess a supressor would be a no-go.
anyways, let's go to a more important point. isn't the .458 SOCOM unrimmed? i guess that, as i'm making a different bullet anyways, i could make a rimmed version of it?

and also, if i manage to make it, i'm planning to include some fancy backstory as i think my nation's people wouldn't be strong enough to stand the recoil from this beast. so i was planning to make something like, the weapon was designed to be exported to ulfheim nations. but as this would include your country and other countries residing in this part of the world, i though i'd ask for permission to do so.

alright. working on it. just a thing, i will rename the cartridge bacause it will be rimmed. so i'll call it the .458 USBN rimmed. the revolver will still be able to fire .458 SOCOM because of the neck headspacing, but firing rimmed cartidges will probably be safer as it provides more consistent headspacing.
and i'll make it some sorta mix between a Nagant and a Webley if that's okay.