Main Military Weapon of Your Country: Part 12

[Ani malia]

This varies from nation-to-nation on the planet of Ani malia. However, the Court does have a military-esque organization made up entirely of Spiritus ambulatories.

[Aqizithiuda]

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Better? also I also have no idea how to make a tracer version.

Better, but I just noticed how small your primer is. You should aim for 5-6mm in diameter for it.

For a tracer version, you whack a tracer compound in the rear of the projectile, lengthening it as much as possible to retain weight.

There are plenty of tracers here: http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/ammo_c ... /index.htm

[Coltarin]

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Better? also I also have no idea how to make a tracer version.

Better, but I just noticed how small your primer is. You should aim for 5-6mm in diameter for it.

For a tracer version, you whack a tracer compound in the rear of the projectile, lengthening it as much as possible to retain weight.

There are plenty of tracers here: http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/ammo_c ... /index.htm

Well I mean manufacture wise, those bullets have the copper pulled top to bottom over the internal slugs. Mine are drawn from the base up.

[United states of brazilian nations]

so, how's this?
the pistols come in cases with almost everything a soldier will ever need for his/her pistol, unless he wants to tacticoolify it.
well, i suppose.
did i miss anything very important?

[Fischermann]

man, that thing is a BEAST.
"this is madness!"
"this is sparta!"
"madness? sparta? nah, this is ULFR!"
or in this case i believe you're making it for your alt?
anyways, it's a fine piece of lineart. the attention to even the small details is impressive to say the least.

Thanks mate, it's as Khornazi as it gets though.

You should build a parasite aircraft built around it that uses the intake to power its engine.

Also, Petronel soon™

[Aqizithiuda]

Better, but I just noticed how small your primer is. You should aim for 5-6mm in diameter for it.

For a tracer version, you whack a tracer compound in the rear of the projectile, lengthening it as much as possible to retain weight.

There are plenty of tracers here: http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/ammo_c ... /index.htm

Well I mean manufacture wise, those bullets have the copper pulled top to bottom over the internal slugs. Mine are drawn from the base up.

Then use a different technique for your tracer rounds, or bore out the copper at the back.

[Khornatenreich]

so, how's this?
the pistols come in cases with almost everything a soldier will ever need for his/her pistol, unless he wants to tacticoolify it.
well, i suppose.
did i miss anything very important?

I demand you make a nagant-derived revolver chambered in .458 SOCOM. Except, heres'a twist for ye'. The .458 is loaded with a spire-point. This is a challenge I issue tae' thee, accept it and gain honor to your name.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

so, how's this?
the pistols come in cases with almost everything a soldier will ever need for his/her pistol, unless he wants to tacticoolify it.
well, i suppose.
did i miss anything very important?

Fourteen magazines seems a bit... too much. You really shouldn't need more than five.

You can probably drop the standard issue suppressor too. Those are really more of a special forces thing.

[Black Hand]

30X100 Pump action stockless shotgun/Grenade launcher. Powerful enough to serve as a light grenadelauncher with low velocity, strong enough to serve as a ubershitgin. and = fuck breaching. Door killing,room0 killing.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

40X60for an HMG Y/N? or would I be better off with a 30X113? I making a KORD based HMG for my troops, and I want to be able to at least give APC's, helicopters and IFV's a reason to button up or back off. If neither of those work what would you all recommend?

Just 40x53 LP for infantry use ; 40x53 HP for mounted use.

Also, @ United Republics of Aralon: could you explain why the tonfa shape would not work with a 70-80cm long baton?

FAKEEDIT: Tungsten Carbide is sorta expensive, 250$ for 100 grams from what I hear. that'd be 2.5$/gram. Any idea how much a small window breaking tip would weigh (obviously it is very dense)? I'm guessing maybe 10-20-25 grams? That'd still be upwards of 60 bucks per baton though.. Expensive. So I'm thinking a more cost-effective solution would be to have the metal skeleton of the baton in the horizontal grip sharpened and fashioned into a spike. I was hoping to make the tungsten carbide tip a dual purpose feature in that you could either brake glass with it or hurt someone if you really wanted to ( I'm guessing it could quite easily break bone ) but a metal spike is too much for using on humans. I'm just interested whether it'd work for breaking glass.. or other suggestions?

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

30X100 Pump action stockless shotgun/Grenade launcher. Powerful enough to serve as a light grenadelauncher with low velocity, strong enough to serve as a ubershitgin. and = fuck breaching. Door killing,room0 killing.

that's AMR / autocannon ballpark you're entering there. "Light grenadelauncher" right

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

so, how's this?
the pistols come in cases with almost everything a soldier will ever need for his/her pistol, unless he wants to tacticoolify it.
well, i suppose.
did i miss anything very important?

that's literally the coolest thing I've seen in a long time

it's perfect. And no I don't think 14 mags is too much. Mags can get lost or broken.

E: Also, you might want to look into MOLLE ( if you do that ) holsters and pouches, or are those supplied with your body armor/uniform?

E2: Also, integrate a laser with the flashlight for more tacticool. Also if everyone a NVG for your army then I also suggest an IR-only flashlight.

[Aqizithiuda]

40X60for an HMG Y/N? or would I be better off with a 30X113? I making a KORD based HMG for my troops, and I want to be able to at least give APC's, helicopters and IFV's a reason to button up or back off. If neither of those work what would you all recommend?

Just 40x53 LP for infantry use ; 40x53 HP for mounted use.

Also, @ United Republics of Aralon: could you explain why the tonfa shape would not work with a 70-80cm long baton?

FAKEEDIT: Tungsten Carbide is sorta expensive, 250$ for 100 grams from what I hear. that'd be 2.5$/gram. Any idea how much a small window breaking tip would weigh (obviously it is very dense)? I'm guessing maybe 10-20-25 grams? That'd still be upwards of 60 bucks per baton though.. Expensive. So I'm thinking a more cost-effective solution would be to have the metal skeleton of the baton in the horizontal grip sharpened and fashioned into a spike. I was hoping to make the tungsten carbide tip a dual purpose feature in that you could either brake glass with it or hurt someone if you really wanted to ( I'm guessing it could quite easily break bone ) but a metal spike is too much for using on humans. I'm just interested whether it'd work for breaking glass.. or other suggestions?

You realise you can quote multiple posts inside a single post, right?

Just use steel like a normal person. It's not like you actually need the weight or hardness of the tungsten carbide anyway.

30X100 Pump action stockless shotgun/Grenade launcher. Powerful enough to serve as a light grenadelauncher with low velocity, strong enough to serve as a ubershitgin. and = fuck breaching. Door killing,room0 killing.

that's AMR / autocannon ballpark you're entering there. "Light grenadelauncher" right

You've been in this thread to know that BH plays an alternate tech nation where that kind of thing is a light grenade launcher.

so, how's this?
the pistols come in cases with almost everything a soldier will ever need for his/her pistol, unless he wants to tacticoolify it.
well, i suppose.
did i miss anything very important?

that's literally the coolest thing I've seen in a long time

it's perfect. And no I don't think 14 mags is too much. Mags can get lost or broken.

E: Also, you might want to look into MOLLE ( if you do that ) holsters and pouches, or are those supplied with your body armor/uniform?

E2: Also, integrate a laser with the flashlight for more tacticool. Also if everyone a NVG for your army then I also suggest an IR-only flashlight.

Even modern assault rifles don't come from the factory with many more than 5 mags (most actually seem to come with less). 14 mags (probably upwards of half of the pistol's worth) is far too many.

[United Republics of Aralon]

http://www.spiber.jp/en/

A Japanese firm devised a method to produce artifical spider silk. Production capability, as far as I know is around 100kg/month as of yet, but they plan an output of 10 tons (don't know if per month or year) by 2015.
This could boost the performance of body armor significantly in the near future.

[United Republics of Aralon]

Just 40x53 LP for infantry use ; 40x53 HP for mounted use.

Also, @ United Republics of Aralon: could you explain why the tonfa shape would not work with a 70-80cm long baton?

FAKEEDIT: Tungsten Carbide is sorta expensive, 250$ for 100 grams from what I hear. that'd be 2.5$/gram. Any idea how much a small window breaking tip would weigh (obviously it is very dense)? I'm guessing maybe 10-20-25 grams? That'd still be upwards of 60 bucks per baton though.. Expensive. So I'm thinking a more cost-effective solution would be to have the metal skeleton of the baton in the horizontal grip sharpened and fashioned into a spike. I was hoping to make the tungsten carbide tip a dual purpose feature in that you could either brake glass with it or hurt someone if you really wanted to ( I'm guessing it could quite easily break bone ) but a metal spike is too much for using on humans. I'm just interested whether it'd work for breaking glass.. or other suggestions?

You realise you can quote multiple posts inside a single post, right?

Just use steel like a normal person. It's not like you actually need the weight or hardness of the tungsten carbide anyway.

that's AMR / autocannon ballpark you're entering there. "Light grenadelauncher" right

You've been in this thread to know that BH plays an alternate tech nation where that kind of thing is a light grenade launcher.

that's literally the coolest thing I've seen in a long time

it's perfect. And no I don't think 14 mags is too much. Mags can get lost or broken.

E: Also, you might want to look into MOLLE ( if you do that ) holsters and pouches, or are those supplied with your body armor/uniform?

E2: Also, integrate a laser with the flashlight for more tacticool. Also if everyone a NVG for your army then I also suggest an IR-only flashlight.

Even modern assault rifles don't come from the factory with many more than 5 mags (most actually seem to come with less). 14 mags (probably upwards of half of the pistol's worth) is far too many.

It works to some degree, I guess I have seen it in use and it seemed very unwieldly.

[Yes Im Biop]

I've seen those, They are GODAWEFUL expensive

[United Republics of Aralon]

I've seen those, They are GODAWEFUL expensive

As of yet how much do they cost? Couldn't find any data, but natural spider silk fabric costs about $10-12k per square yard.To manufacure.
I'm quite certain bacteria can beat that. Spiders would actually do for production, would they not attack eachother on sight.
Keeping them in solitary confinement, and feeding them one by one is what drives up the costs.

[Aqizithiuda]

http://www.spiber.jp/en/
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A Japanese firm devised a method to produce artifical spider silk. Production capability, as far as I know is around 100kg/month as of yet, but they plan an output of 10 tons (don't know if per month or year) by 2015.
This could boost the performance of body armor significantly in the near future.

Lyras has you beat by about six years .

It works to some degree, I guess I have seen it in use and it seemed very unwieldly.

It's probably best to quote the actual poster directly to make things 100% clear .

[United Republics of Aralon]

http://www.spiber.jp/en/
(Image)
A Japanese firm devised a method to produce artifical spider silk. Production capability, as far as I know is around 100kg/month as of yet, but they plan an output of 10 tons (don't know if per month or year) by 2015.
This could boost the performance of body armor significantly in the near future.

Lyras has you beat by about six years .

It works to some degree, I guess I have seen it in use and it seemed very unwieldly.

It's probably best to quote the actual poster directly to make things 100% clear .

Sorry.
What about this lyras thing? I heard about BioSteel and other attempts but it is inferior to natural spider silk, and goats and silkworms have low yield while this is said to be the real deal. They are using E.coli. According to wiki a korean research team also had good results with E.coli. Perhaps the firm is an ofshoot of that experiment.
They also claim to have discovered a new solvent for fibroin that is not as dangerous as the previous ones, which means they can produce longer fibers than without a solvent and do it cheaper since they need not spend so much on safety measures.

[Vetaron Confederacy]

Mind you. This is my first post in one of these kinds of threads. However, i will be posting appropriate stats based in the real world (save for prototypes).

1) V-CAR-1967

Official Name: Vetaron Combat Assault Rifle Model 1967
In Service: 1967 - 2013
Type: Assault Rifle
Place Of Origin: Vetaron Confederacy
Users: Vetaron Confederacy, Mexico, Guatemala, Costa Rica, Georgia, Turkey, Egypt, North Korea, Private Military Companies


The V-CAR-1967, officially designated Vetaron Combat Assault Rifle Model 1967, is the Vetaron Confederacy's military version of the AR-15 rifle; re-configured into an effective Bull pup type Assault Rifle. The rifle was adapted for semi-automatic, and full-automatic fire. Confederate State Arms purchased the rights to the AR-15 from ArmaLite, but in urban combat scenarios the original M16A1 was deemed inadequate due to it's length. Thus the decision was made to reconfigure the rifle action into the frame of a bull pup assault rifle.. The V-CAR-1967 fires the 5.56×45mm NATO cartridge, the same as it's AR-15 siblings. The rifle entered Confederate Army service and was deployed for jungle warfare operations in North Vietnam in 1967, becoming the Vetaron military's standard service rifle of the Vietnam Intervention War by 1969, replacing the V-CBR-1938 rifle in that role. The Confederate Army retained the V-CBR-1938 in the Confederacy proper, Central America, and North Korea Korea as a reservist and National Guard optional weapon until 1976. After the Vietnam Intervention, the V-CAR-1967 rifle was modified for short round bursts, then later all three modes of fire and has been the primary service rifle of the Confederate armed forces.
The V-CAR-1967 has also been widely adopted by other militaries around the world. Total worldwide production of V-CAR-1967s has been approximately 6.25 million, making it the second most-produced firearm of its caliber (behind its "Step-Brothers" in the AR-15 family of rifles). As of 2013, the Army is phasing out the V-CAR-1967 in front line combat units with the V-CBR-2009 Assault Rifle, which is itself a upgraded derivative of the IMI Tavor 21 .

2) V-CBR-1938

(Note. The top image is of the 1938-M-DMR Variant. The rifle on the bottom is the 1938-M, the last variant of the 1938 series issued from 1959 - 1964)
Official Name: Vetaron Combat Battle Rifle Model 1938 Modernized
In Service: 1938-1967
Type: Battle Rifle
Origin: Vetaron Confederacy
Users: Vetaron Confederacy, North Korea, Guatemala, Private Military Contractors


The V-CBR-1938-M rifle, officially the Vetaron Combat Battle Rifle Model 1938 Modernized, is an Confederate selective fire automatic rifle that fires 7.62×51mm NATO (.308 Winchester) ammunition. It was the standard issue Vetaron rifle from 1939 to 1967. The V-CBR-1938 was used for Confederate Army and Marine Corps basic and advanced individual training, and was the standard issue infantry rifle for Vetaron military personnel in the Contiguous Confederated Territories, Central America, and North Korea, until it was replaced by the V-CAR-1967 rifle, in 1967. The rifle remains in limited front line service within all branches of the Confederate military. It is also used as a ceremonial weapon by honor guards, color guards, drill teams, ceremonial guards, and the like.
The V-CBR-1938-M rifle was the last Vetaron "battle rifle" (weapons that fire full-power rifle ammunition, such as the 7.62×51mm) issued in quantity to Vetaron military personnel with an optional bolt-action cycling system. The V-CBR-1938-M serves as the basis for the 1938-DMR and 1938-M Designated Marksman rifles.

3) V-CBR-2009

Official Name: Vetaron Combat Battle Rifle Model 2009
In Service: 2013 - Present
Type: Battle Rifle
Origin: Vetaron Confederacy
Users: Vetaron Confederacy


The Vetaron Combat Battle Rifle Model 2009 (or simply V-CBR-2009) is a Vetaron bullpup assault rifle chambered for 5.56×45mm NATO ammunition with a selective fire system, selecting between semi-automatic mode and full automatic fire mode. It is the first battle rifle since the 1938-M to be issued to Confederate forces. Since 2013, it has been selected as the standard issued weapon of the Confederate Home infantry. The V-CBR-09-M (Micro CBR) was recently selected as the future assault rifle of the Confederate Domestic Defense Forces, and some infantry division are being issued with the rifle, replacing the larger, standard V-CBR-2009.
The V-CBR-2009 uses a bullpup design. Bullpup rifles are configured in a layout in which the bolt carrier group is placed behind the pistol grip; this shortens the overall length but does not sacrifice barrel length. The V-CBR-2009 provides carbine length, but rifle muzzle velocity. The bullpup design is also used to minimize the silhouette of soldiers and to maximize effectiveness in turning corners in urban warfare.

I just hope that I dont get laughed out of this thread for my headcanon

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

so, how's this?
the pistols come in cases with almost everything a soldier will ever need for his/her pistol, unless he wants to tacticoolify it.
well, i suppose.
did i miss anything very important?

Goddamn I wish I had this kind of free time again. Granted, I'd waste it, but still. Anywhoo, upcoming project after I knock the current assignments out of the way is a re-imagining of my service rifle. Potentially recoil operated for lulz.

[United states of brazilian nations]

so, how's this?
the pistols come in cases with almost everything a soldier will ever need for his/her pistol, unless he wants to tacticoolify it.
well, i suppose.
did i miss anything very important?

that's literally the coolest thing I've seen in a long time

it's perfect. And no I don't think 14 mags is too much. Mags can get lost or broken.

E: Also, you might want to look into MOLLE ( if you do that ) holsters and pouches, or are those supplied with your body armor/uniform?

E2: Also, integrate a laser with the flashlight for more tacticool. Also if everyone a NVG for your army then I also suggest an IR-only flashlight.

thanks!
to be frank, i only put this much mags because there was space for it
it is supplied to everyone who chooses this as his/hers sidearm. in the USBN, there are many issue pistols; if the soldier dislikes the standard-issue, he/she can choose one of the other issue pistols instead. and in the USBN, after retiring from military service the soldier keeps his sidearm/rifle/LMG/whatsoever for life. yeah, it's expensive, but it's part of USBN's culture, dating back from the times there was no army, just a militia. i can give you a link to the story draft if you want it.
though this pistol was replaced as the standard issue in te 1990's, it is still used in high numbers.

so, how's this?
the pistols come in cases with almost everything a soldier will ever need for his/her pistol, unless he wants to tacticoolify it.
well, i suppose.
did i miss anything very important?

Fourteen magazines seems a bit... too much. You really shouldn't need more than five.

You can probably drop the standard issue suppressor too. Those are really more of a special forces thing.

as i said before, i just put this much mags because there was room for it.
and about the supressors, in the USBN all sidearms come with a supressor in case the soldier wants to keep it in combat. many times the soldier doesn't do it, but it is still there on his case if sometimes he wants to use it depending on the mission. (the soldier doesn't take the case with him into combat, it is just a case for protection and for everything to be in one place such as the manual and everything). yup, it is expensive but if you consider a huge part of our budget goes to our military, and unlike most countries in the USBN soldiers aren't issued shitty gear, then it almost makes sense... almost.

so, how's this?
the pistols come in cases with almost everything a soldier will ever need for his/her pistol, unless he wants to tacticoolify it.
well, i suppose.
did i miss anything very important?

I demand you make a nagant-derived revolver chambered in .458 SOCOM. Except, heres'a twist for ye'. The .458 is loaded with a spire-point. This is a challenge I issue tae' thee, accept it and gain honor to your name.

a spire-point? you mean a pointed (spitzer-like) round with a soft tip? well, dis gonna be hard. anyways, shall i find enough time, i will try to do this.
you're aware that, even with the Nagant mechanism, the revolver won't achieve the same performance, right? the Nagant uses special rounds where the mouth/neck/whateveritsnameis of the case covers the bullet completely and even has a part ahead of it, so when it fires the case expansion seals the chamber/barrel, thus sealing all the gas. anyways, i guess a nagant mechanism will improve the performance a good bit. but i guess a supressor would be a no-go.
anyways, let's go to a more important point. isn't the .458 SOCOM unrimmed? i guess that, as i'm making a different bullet anyways, i could make a rimmed version of it?

and also, if i manage to make it, i'm planning to include some fancy backstory as i think my nation's people wouldn't be strong enough to stand the recoil from this beast. so i was planning to make something like, the weapon was designed to be exported to ulfheim nations. but as this would include your country and other countries residing in this part of the world, i though i'd ask for permission to do so.

so, how's this?
the pistols come in cases with almost everything a soldier will ever need for his/her pistol, unless he wants to tacticoolify it.
well, i suppose.
did i miss anything very important?

Goddamn I wish I had this kind of free time again. Granted, I'd waste it, but still. Anywhoo, upcoming project after I knock the current assignments out of the way is a re-imagining of my service rifle. Potentially recoil operated for lulz.

well, didn't took this much time to make this. it was fairly easy.

[Black Hand]

30X100 Pump action stockless shotgun/Grenade launcher. Powerful enough to serve as a light grenadelauncher with low velocity, strong enough to serve as a ubershitgin. and = fuck breaching. Door killing,room0 killing.

I apologize for the shitty grammar/spelling of that post. last night was interesting.....
but anyways, is a 30X100 shotgun impractical? that's a 3 gauge with 4" shells. a pump Grenade launcher, and a pump action shotgun don't perform terribly different. Though I'd love to See the results of a Slug from one of these beasties.

Fakeedit: hey Ulfr/Khornatenreich. do you approve of this? Blood for the Blood god! Skulls for the Skull Throne!

[Bezombia]

30X100 Pump action stockless shotgun/Grenade launcher. Powerful enough to serve as a light grenadelauncher with low velocity, strong enough to serve as a ubershitgin. and = fuck breaching. Door killing,room0 killing.

I apologize for the shitty grammar/spelling of that post. last night was interesting.....
but anyways, is a 30X100 shotgun impractical? that's a 3 gauge with 4" shells. a pump Grenade launcher, and a pump action shotgun don't perform terribly different. Though I'd love to See the results of a Slug from one of these beasties.

Fakeedit: hey Ulfr/Khornatenreich. do you approve of this? Blood for the Blood god! Skulls for the Skull Throne!

First thing you shouldn't do something specifically to get "approval" of a certain poster(s).

Secondly what exactly is wrong with 40mm Buck?

[Black Hand]

I apologize for the shitty grammar/spelling of that post. last night was interesting.....
but anyways, is a 30X100 shotgun impractical? that's a 3 gauge with 4" shells. a pump Grenade launcher, and a pump action shotgun don't perform terribly different. Though I'd love to See the results of a Slug from one of these beasties.

Fakeedit: hey Ulfr/Khornatenreich. do you approve of this? Blood for the Blood god! Skulls for the Skull Throne!

First thing you shouldn't do something specifically to get "approval" of a certain poster(s).

Secondly what exactly is wrong with 40mm Buck?

lower capacity/velocity is possible. 40X51 vs 30X100.
I was seeking approval of one of the other members of this thread who also produces absurdly powerful infantry arms for combat, this is for use as a shotgun by the Confessors, a branch of my military that function as chaplains, Commissars, and Officers. While usable by standard Troops, it's slightly easier for confessors due to the higher Quality of their Augments.
The common theme between me and Khornatenreich is a religious overtone that is decidedly nontraditional. along with very strong soldiers who wield very, very powerful weapons.