Main Military Weapon of Your Country: Part 12

[San-Silvacian]

aka real and practical stuff is stupid and dumb and doesn't let me be special.



Sadly enough you're your comically stupid riot police will never be better than this.

Probably at that point if Igor decided to end the rebellious youngling's miserable life and actually pull the trigger on his 6-gauge Russian cowboy shotgun, it would most probably recoil hard enough into his own head that he would die to.

Thats when he just pushes the barrel into your neck, cutting off air.

Then you die.

He didn't even need to shot.

Why does the dude look like Putin?

Putin is literally everywhere.

[United states of brazilian nations]

Why does the dude look like Putin?

Putin is literally everywhere.

if he's everywhere, then...
*looks backwards*

anyways, FAILjokes aside, i've got a question.

how effective would a 40mm grenade with napalm warhead be? because i'm thinking about mounting 40mm GMGs (Grenade Machine Guns) in APCs and i thought napalm grenades would have better range than flamethrowers and more ammunition capacity/rate of fire than thermobaric rocket launchers. and you get the bonus of accurately setting fire on things at a distance. however, due to the relatively low warhead capacity of a 40mm grenade i'm not sure about wether it would be effective or not, so i thought i'd ask.

also, to clear things up, just in case someone hasn't realized it yet, that FAIL-DERPD'd yesterday when i said "9mm's higher velocity is negated due to the fact it is subsonic ammo", i was talking specifically about subsonic ammo used with sound supressors. but yeah, it wasn't clear at that time so that was a huge fail in my part.

BTW, did i lost anything significant while i was out?

[Fordorsia]

Putin is literally everywhere.

if he's everywhere, then...
*looks backwards*

anyways, FAILjokes aside, i've got a question.

how effective would a 40mm grenade with napalm warhead be? because i'm thinking about mounting 40mm GMGs (Grenade Machine Guns) in APCs and i thought napalm grenades would have better range than flamethrowers and more ammunition capacity/rate of fire than thermobaric rocket launchers. and you get the bonus of accurately setting fire on things at a distance. however, due to the relatively low warhead capacity of a 40mm grenade i'm not sure about wether it would be effective or not, so i thought i'd ask.

also, to clear things up, just in case someone hasn't realized it yet, that FAIL-DERPD'd yesterday when i said "9mm's higher velocity is negated due to the fact it is subsonic ammo", i was talking specifically about subsonic ammo used with sound supressors. but yeah, it wasn't clear at that time so that was a huge fail in my part.

BTW, did i lost anything significant while i was out?

Very ineffective. The warhead would need something to ignite the napalm.Ignition occurs way over 150 degress, and that device would take up way too much room.

In wide open spaces: Explosives>Fire

[Black Hand]

Putin is literally everywhere.

if he's everywhere, then...
*looks backwards*

anyways, FAILjokes aside, i've got a question.

how effective would a 40mm grenade with napalm warhead be? because i'm thinking about mounting 40mm GMGs (Grenade Machine Guns) in APCs and i thought napalm grenades would have better range than flamethrowers and more ammunition capacity/rate of fire than thermobaric rocket launchers. and you get the bonus of accurately setting fire on things at a distance. however, due to the relatively low warhead capacity of a 40mm grenade i'm not sure about wether it would be effective or not, so i thought i'd ask.

also, to clear things up, just in case someone hasn't realized it yet, that FAIL-DERPD'd yesterday when i said "9mm's higher velocity is negated due to the fact it is subsonic ammo", i was talking specifically about subsonic ammo used with sound supressors. but yeah, it wasn't clear at that time so that was a huge fail in my part.

BTW, did i lost anything significant while i was out?

40mm napalm? no. Incenidary/thermobaric 40mm? do it. (look at the Russian thermobaric hand grenades) Fuck Tree-huggersInsurgents Fire everywhere. how do you catch an insurgent hiding in a forest? burn down the forest. (If you're from khornatenreich feast upon his flesh afterwards)

important? nothing much besides a debate about fragmenting vs Yawing in rounds. also *Shameless selfwhoring*

CSR-C "diamondBack" (Combat Sniper Rifle-Compact)
Cartridge: 9X30 Caseless
Action: Bolt, Externally powered linear motor.
Length: 30"
Barrel length: 20"
Weight: 6Kg
Effective Range: 800m against Armored targets
Maximum range: 3000m
Projectile weight: 600 gr
Muzzle Velocity: 1650 m/s

Background: THe CSR-C Diamondback was developed as a Long range precision weapon, without sacrificing mobility in an urban environment. THE CSR-C Diamondback is deployed in Combat teams as a Sniper weapon, or as support for an AMR (AMR teams are three man, sniper, spotter, overwatch/pack mule)

[Crookfur]

Jacobs carbines are what you want. massive 28 gauge lumps of lead or 28 gauge lumps of lead with delightfully explosive mercury fulminate filling.

Are those things real?

and claymore bayonnets.

How about claymore bumpers on police cars?

very real: http://www.brettschulte.net/CWBlog/2006 ... oposition/

actually i misremembered, whislt General jacobs did experiement with various calibres including 28gauge it was 32 gauge that he settled upon for his explosive launching side by side rifle.

The bayonet is real too:

http://www.michaeldlong.com/Catalogue/Edged-Weapons/Bayonets/British/JACOBS-sword-bayonet-for-double-barrelled-rifle.aspx

[Purpelia]

Can any of that be adapted to modern rounds?

[Crookfur]

Can any of that be adapted to modern rounds?

What do you mean.

could you fire a big lump of lead from a mdoern firearm? of coruse

Could you stick a fulminate of mercury capsule in front of it, posisbly but you proabably don;t want to exceed to kind of shock and accelerations involved in balck powder rifles. More mdoern and safer alternatives do exist it just that no logn after the good general cma eup with this msot people realsied that the explosive charge wasn't much use for anything other than impact marking/spotting.

The .50 caliber Spotter, M48 is similra in form and function although it has a tracer element: http://cartridgecollectors.org/cmo/cmo08dec.htm

[Black Hand]

Puzikas I have a question regarding the Saiga-12 Gen IV, and AK Shotguns in general.
would it possible to make a saiga/AK-23? By which I mean an AK using the KS-23 ~6.25 shells. or would it be more sensible to simply make it a 25mm shell? ( I don't use the 23mm bore for anything, I do use 25mm)
With my power Armour/ Augments it shouldn't be too powerful.
The other idea was 12 gauge, 4.5" shells.

If all of this sounds like stupid ideas, I'll just stick with the Saiga-12 genIV you licensed to me.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Regarding 40mm Napalm grenades,
Wouldn't potting a prier, or some small impact activated incendiary device, in the nose work?

Black Hand,
On your sniper.
a) 9x30mm doesn't really sound large enough for a proper snipers round.
b) Didn't you say that caseless was no good due to pre-battle lucky tiberium rubs buggering them?

[Puzikas]

aka real and practical stuff is stupid and dumb and doesn't let me be special.



Sadly enough you're comically stupid riot police will never be better than this.

Fake. Russians in the back don't have shotguns, only pansy dildo batons.

Training actually.

Why does the dude look like Putin?

Did you knot know? There is no Russian people, only clones of Putin. We don't get names, just Numbers.

Unless you're on Krokodil.

The skin smells as it rots too. And the bones become brittle and tend to crack a lot.

Things you didn't know about Krokodil.

Puzikas I have a question regarding the Saiga-12 Gen IV, and AK Shotguns in general.
would it possible to make a saiga/AK-23? By which I mean an AK using the KS-23 ~6.25 shells. or would it be more sensible to simply make it a 25mm shell? ( I don't use the 23mm bore for anything, I do use 25mm)
With my power Armour/ Augments it shouldn't be too powerful.
The other idea was 12 gauge, 4.5" shells.

If all of this sounds like stupid ideas, I'll just stick with the Saiga-12 genIV you licensed to me.

Again, telegrams, I have them.
KS-23 generates retarded recoil. I don't NOT think an AK system could do it, but it would be so insanely large that it would become very impractical.
4.5" would also generate recoil levels more than I would want, hence why I opted for 4".

25mm shells? Now its just getting impractical.

[Imperializt Russia]

More minor updooting:
Tell me about the upper receiver (above the control module). Which do you think looks better? Top or bottom? The top example takes much more of the upper receiver with it, while the bottom example leaves a plate with a sort of guide rail behind for the control module's release lever to engage, which is taken with the receiver on the top example.

The guide rail is not important to the functionality of the lever, which is mounted to the lower receiver and sits largely "under" the control module, which fits around the lower receiver.

[Bezombia]

More minor updooting:
Tell me about the upper receiver (above the control module). Which do you think looks better? Top or bottom? The top example takes much more of the upper receiver with it, while the bottom example leaves a plate with a sort of guide rail behind for the control module's release lever to engage, which is taken with the receiver on the top example.

The guide rail is not important to the functionality of the lever, which is mounted to the lower receiver and sits largely "under" the control module, which fits around the lower receiver.
(Image)

Difference doesn't seem to be that big.
Top one looks better imo

[San-Silvacian]

More minor updooting:
Tell me about the upper receiver (above the control module). Which do you think looks better? Top or bottom? The top example takes much more of the upper receiver with it, while the bottom example leaves a plate with a sort of guide rail behind for the control module's release lever to engage, which is taken with the receiver on the top example.

The guide rail is not important to the functionality of the lever, which is mounted to the lower receiver and sits largely "under" the control module, which fits around the lower receiver.
(Image)

o hai im samo russia imperalizt im making my gud gun gud evern though its already prty gud

get out

now

[Bezombia]

aka real and practical stuff is stupid and dumb and doesn't let me be special.



Sadly enough you're comically stupid riot police will never be better than this.

Fake. Russians in the back don't have shotguns, only pansy dildo batons.

WHICH IS EVEN MORE TERROR

[Imperializt Russia]

More minor updooting:
Tell me about the upper receiver (above the control module). Which do you think looks better? Top or bottom? The top example takes much more of the upper receiver with it, while the bottom example leaves a plate with a sort of guide rail behind for the control module's release lever to engage, which is taken with the receiver on the top example.

The guide rail is not important to the functionality of the lever, which is mounted to the lower receiver and sits largely "under" the control module, which fits around the lower receiver.
(Image)

o hai im samo russia imperalizt im making my gud gun gud evern though its already prty gud

get out

now

Yeah, but this time I want it to work as well as be sexc :3

[Kouralia]

More minor updooting:
Tell me about the upper receiver (above the control module). Which do you think looks better? Top or bottom? The top example takes much more of the upper receiver with it, while the bottom example leaves a plate with a sort of guide rail behind for the control module's release lever to engage, which is taken with the receiver on the top example.

The guide rail is not important to the functionality of the lever, which is mounted to the lower receiver and sits largely "under" the control module, which fits around the lower receiver.
(Image)

The cheek-rest-thing seems quite far forward from the buttstock.

[United states of brazilian nations]

Why does the dude look like Putin?

Did you knot know? There is no Russian people, only clones of Putin. We don't get names, just Numbers.

sig'd.

on a side note, i guess i will be going with thermobaric grenades then.

another question: i'm currently linearting a sort of PDW, like a Magpul PDR on steroids. it has a "fatter" appearance and such, is heavier, a little bigger etc. but the big deal is that it fires 7.62x51mm NATO. so, a few questions:
1- would the recoil from that be at least acceptable or will it be a LOLshoulderbreaking recoil? i'm thinking the second option, but i've never fired a gun (gotta be a law-abiding citizen always) so i dunno.
2- could i get decent muzzle velocity from, say, a barrel roughly the same length (maybe a little shorter) than a CTAR 21 or a little longer than the one of the P-90 (think a middle ground between both)?
3- could i get at least some accuracy from the same barrel? i mean, this will be issued to tank crews and such as a PDW, so i believe around 100-250 meters?
4- would it offer any significant advantage over other PDWs?
5- would i be better off with some sort of PDR chambered for .300 AAC Blackout?

[Bezombia]

Did you knot know? There is no Russian people, only clones of Putin. We don't get names, just Numbers.

sig'd.

on a side note, i guess i will be going with thermobaric grenades then.

another question: i'm currently linearting a sort of PDW, like a Magpul PDR on steroids. it has a "fatter" appearance and such, is heavier, a little bigger etc. but the big deal is that it fires 7.62x51mm NATO. so, a few questions:
1- would the recoil from that be at least acceptable or will it be a LOLshoulderbreaking recoil? i'm thinking the second option, but i've never fired a gun (gotta be a law-abiding citizen always) so i dunno.
2- could i get decent muzzle velocity from, say, a barrel roughly the same length (maybe a little shorter) than a CTAR 21 or a little longer than the one of the P-90 (think a middle ground between both)?
3- could i get at least some accuracy from the same barrel? i mean, this will be issued to tank crews and such as a PDW, so i believe around 100-250 meters?
4- would it offer any significant advantage over other PDWs?
5- would i be better off with some sort of PDR chambered for .300 AAC Blackout?

1. With the God Of All Muzzle Devices recoil wouldn't be a problem. But recoil isn't the only problem with 7.62x51.
2. Not really. Try PS90.
3. Yes. Well...somewhat. Not as good as others.
4. No.
5. They'd both be shit. Far too heavy. Just use 7.62x25mm +P+ CBJ like the rest of us.

[Graznovia]

~Snip

Top one!

[Imperializt Russia]

More minor updooting:
Tell me about the upper receiver (above the control module). Which do you think looks better? Top or bottom? The top example takes much more of the upper receiver with it, while the bottom example leaves a plate with a sort of guide rail behind for the control module's release lever to engage, which is taken with the receiver on the top example.

The guide rail is not important to the functionality of the lever, which is mounted to the lower receiver and sits largely "under" the control module, which fits around the lower receiver.
(Image)

The cheek-rest-thing seems quite far forward from the buttstock.

The gap between the butt and the rear sight is ~30cm, so the same as on an M16.
It's about approximate to where this fellow is resting his cheek on his M16 rifle:

Did you knot know? There is no Russian people, only clones of Putin. We don't get names, just Numbers.

sig'd.

on a side note, i guess i will be going with thermobaric grenades then.

another question: i'm currently linearting a sort of PDW, like a Magpul PDR on steroids. it has a "fatter" appearance and such, is heavier, a little bigger etc. but the big deal is that it fires 7.62x51mm NATO.

[Bhelyant]

1- would the recoil from that be at least acceptable or will it be a LOLshoulderbreaking recoil? i'm thinking the second option, but i've never fired a gun (gotta be a law-abiding citizen always) so i dunno.

recoil wouldn't be the worst, but follow shots would be a bit hampered vs. a better PDW cartridge, and muzzle blast will be terribad if you put on a compensator on it

2- could i get decent muzzle velocity from, say, a barrel roughly the same length (maybe a little shorter) than a CTAR 21 or a little longer than the one of the P-90 (think a middle ground between both)?

It looks like .308 from 12.5 FALs are getting velocities similar to a 7.62x39, but using heavier bullets, so you should be good there.

3- could i get at least some accuracy from the same barrel? i mean, this will be issued to tank crews and such as a PDW, so i believe around 100-250 meters?

Barrel length has a negligible effect on accuracy.

4- would it offer any significant advantage over other PDWs?

rule of cool from pretty muzzle flash? You'd have heavier bullets than 7.62x39 with similar velocities, but they *do* make 154 grain x39 ammo.

5- would i be better off with some sort of PDR chambered for .300 AAC Blackout?

yeah, or 7.62x39 - it's pretty much made for SBRs
What is your general issue rifle/carbine? It sounds like you're just wanting a subcarbine anyways, so you may as well just make a subcarbine based on your general issue rifle, and that way training, logistics, and costs are simplified and mitigated.

[Bezombia]

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[Fordorsia]

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Barrel looks a bit low. The whole thing is way too curvy for my tastes too.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Hey,
Does anyone know roughly what velocities are required for lead FMJ bullets to fragment semi consistently?

Googling has thus far only revealed that
a) They fragment violently
b) SS109 style projectiles fragment best at velocities between 980m/s and 850m/s

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

sig'd.

on a side note, i guess i will be going with thermobaric grenades then.

another question: i'm currently linearting a sort of PDW, like a Magpul PDR on steroids. it has a "fatter" appearance and such, is heavier, a little bigger etc. but the big deal is that it fires 7.62x51mm NATO. so, a few questions:
1- would the recoil from that be at least acceptable or will it be a LOLshoulderbreaking recoil? i'm thinking the second option, but i've never fired a gun (gotta be a law-abiding citizen always) so i dunno.
2- could i get decent muzzle velocity from, say, a barrel roughly the same length (maybe a little shorter) than a CTAR 21 or a little longer than the one of the P-90 (think a middle ground between both)?
3- could i get at least some accuracy from the same barrel? i mean, this will be issued to tank crews and such as a PDW, so i believe around 100-250 meters?
4- would it offer any significant advantage over other PDWs?
5- would i be better off with some sort of PDR chambered for .300 AAC Blackout?

1. With the God Of All Muzzle Devices recoil wouldn't be a problem. But recoil isn't the only problem with 7.62x51.
2. Not really. Try PS90.
3. Yes. Well...somewhat. Not as good as others.
4. No.
5. They'd both be shit. Far too heavy. Just use 7.62x25mm +P+ CBJ like the rest of us.

what the actual fuck is 7.62mm Tokarev "CBJ"? As in a similar bullet with the CBJ?