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The Archangel Conglomerate
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Postby The Archangel Conglomerate » Sun Sep 08, 2013 4:31 pm

Purpelia wrote:Recoil must be lovely.

Eh.
Recoil energy is ~4.2j
Recoil velocity is ~2m/s
Recoil impulse is ~.45kg/s

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Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:For want of lances, the heavy equipment never reached the field.

For want of heavy equipment the platoons FOs could direct no HMGs.

For want of HMGs, the Archians had to rely on shitty fucking microcalibers.

For want of real weapons, they lost the war.

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Postby Bezombia » Sun Sep 08, 2013 4:33 pm

The Archangel Conglomerate wrote:
Purpelia wrote:Recoil must be lovely.

Eh.
Recoil energy is ~4.2j


that seems too low
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Postby Ea90 » Sun Sep 08, 2013 4:34 pm

The Archangel Conglomerate wrote:
Purpelia wrote:Recoil must be lovely.

Eh.
Recoil energy is ~4.2j
Recoil velocity is ~2m/s
Recoil impulse is ~.45kg/s

Wait.
4.2J is like nothing, isn't it?

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Postby The Archangel Conglomerate » Sun Sep 08, 2013 4:36 pm

Bezombia wrote:that seems too low

Do you want me to post an ArchScreenyTM?



Ea90 wrote:Wait.
4.2J is like nothing, isn't it?

Less than nothing.
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Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:For want of lances, the heavy equipment never reached the field.

For want of heavy equipment the platoons FOs could direct no HMGs.

For want of HMGs, the Archians had to rely on shitty fucking microcalibers.

For want of real weapons, they lost the war.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sun Sep 08, 2013 4:38 pm

Yes Im Biop wrote:
The Archangel Conglomerate wrote:As am I. Maybe you're Jewish too?

In any case, you're looking at ~5,533j.


Atheist. But That's the mass and speed of the AP Round for the 10x90 XD. Is that a lot?

Not for what it is.
Smaller and much slower rounds catch more energy.

If you're only pulling 5500J with 1070m/s, your round is probably quite light. 10g for a 10mm rifle round is very light and somewhat below some light loads of 7.62x51mm
.338LM has loads from 16-20g, already up to double your mass and 1.4mm slimmer (9.3x64mm Brennecke has similar load weights).
Most cartridges in the 8-11mm bracket have this kind of bullet weight, 16-20g.
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Postby Bezombia » Sun Sep 08, 2013 4:45 pm

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Is 5.56x30 a real thing now?
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Postby The Archangel Conglomerate » Sun Sep 08, 2013 4:46 pm

Bezombia wrote:(Image)

Is 5.56x30 a real thing now?

Yeah. It has been since... the 90s.

It was initially developed as part of Colt's MARS program, but was later shelved when the program sunk. It has recently seen use as India's primary PDW round.
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For want of heavy equipment the platoons FOs could direct no HMGs.

For want of HMGs, the Archians had to rely on shitty fucking microcalibers.

For want of real weapons, they lost the war.

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Postby Tule » Sun Sep 08, 2013 4:50 pm

The Archangel Conglomerate wrote:
Bezombia wrote:(Image)

Is 5.56x30 a real thing now?

Yeah. It has been since... the 90s or something.


The concept is even older.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_Spitfire
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Postby Bezombia » Sun Sep 08, 2013 4:51 pm

wait a minute I shopped that
it's real?

*googles*

well I'll be shit
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sun Sep 08, 2013 4:53 pm

Bezombia wrote:(Image)

Is 5.56x30 a real thing now?

There's 5.56x36, .221 Fireball
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Postby The Archangel Conglomerate » Sun Sep 08, 2013 4:54 pm

Tule wrote:The concept is even older.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_Spitfire

Neat.



Bezombia wrote:wait a minute I shopped that
it's real?

*googles*

well I'll be shit

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Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:For want of lances, the heavy equipment never reached the field.

For want of heavy equipment the platoons FOs could direct no HMGs.

For want of HMGs, the Archians had to rely on shitty fucking microcalibers.

For want of real weapons, they lost the war.

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Postby Galla- » Sun Sep 08, 2013 4:56 pm

Bezombia wrote:(Image)

Is 5.56x30 a real thing now?


Yes it was made for the Mini Assault Rifle System.
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Sun Sep 08, 2013 5:05 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Yes Im Biop wrote:
Atheist. But That's the mass and speed of the AP Round for the 10x90 XD. Is that a lot?

Not for what it is.
Smaller and much slower rounds catch more energy.

If you're only pulling 5500J with 1070m/s, your round is probably quite light. 10g for a 10mm rifle round is very light and somewhat below some light loads of 7.62x51mm
.338LM has loads from 16-20g, already up to double your mass and 1.4mm slimmer (9.3x64mm Brennecke has similar load weights).
Most cartridges in the 8-11mm bracket have this kind of bullet weight, 16-20g.


150gr. Amp that up to what? 300?, And the speed of the AP round is 3500fp/s not 3000
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Postby Bezombia » Sun Sep 08, 2013 5:08 pm

Yes Im Biop wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Not for what it is.
Smaller and much slower rounds catch more energy.

If you're only pulling 5500J with 1070m/s, your round is probably quite light. 10g for a 10mm rifle round is very light and somewhat below some light loads of 7.62x51mm
.338LM has loads from 16-20g, already up to double your mass and 1.4mm slimmer (9.3x64mm Brennecke has similar load weights).
Most cartridges in the 8-11mm bracket have this kind of bullet weight, 16-20g.


150gr. Amp that up to what? 300?, And the speed of the AP round is 3500fp/s not 3000


275gr should be reasonable.

375gr would be awesome.
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Spreewerke wrote:The metric system is the only measurement system that truly meters.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sun Sep 08, 2013 5:10 pm

1070m/s is probably about 3500fps, yes.
300gr for an AP load sounds good, 220-270 for a normal load maybe.
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Postby The Archangel Conglomerate » Sun Sep 08, 2013 5:11 pm

Yes Im Biop wrote:150gr. Amp that up to what? 300?, And the speed of the AP round is 3500fp/s not 3000

Try this
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Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:For want of lances, the heavy equipment never reached the field.

For want of heavy equipment the platoons FOs could direct no HMGs.

For want of HMGs, the Archians had to rely on shitty fucking microcalibers.

For want of real weapons, they lost the war.

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Postby Bezombia » Sun Sep 08, 2013 5:12 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:1070m/s is probably about 3500fps, yes.
300gr for an AP load sounds good, 220-270 for a normal load maybe.


it's almost exactly 3500
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Spreewerke wrote:The metric system is the only measurement system that truly meters.
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Sun Sep 08, 2013 5:13 pm

Updated AP Rounds

13512.79 foot pounds.
13483.58J
Huh apparently extremely close to each other

I like Arch.
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Immoren wrote:Saphirasia and his ICBCPs (inter continental ballistic cattle prod)
Yes, I Am infact Biop.


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Postby Aqizithiuda » Sun Sep 08, 2013 5:13 pm

Tule wrote:
The Archangel Conglomerate wrote:Yeah. It has been since... the 90s or something.


The concept is even older.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_Spitfire


That's what my theoreticalbutnevergoingtogetawriteup OICW uses.

Yes Im Biop wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Not for what it is.
Smaller and much slower rounds catch more energy.

If you're only pulling 5500J with 1070m/s, your round is probably quite light. 10g for a 10mm rifle round is very light and somewhat below some light loads of 7.62x51mm
.338LM has loads from 16-20g, already up to double your mass and 1.4mm slimmer (9.3x64mm Brennecke has similar load weights).
Most cartridges in the 8-11mm bracket have this kind of bullet weight, 16-20g.


150gr. Amp that up to what? 300?, And the speed of the AP round is 3500fp/s not 3000


300-400gr.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sun Sep 08, 2013 5:15 pm

I didn't suggest above 300gr, because that seem to be some ways above what rounds in that calibre tend to weigh.
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Sun Sep 08, 2013 5:16 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:I didn't suggest above 300gr, because that seem to be some ways above what rounds in that calibre tend to weigh.


The AP round is essentially a Tungsten bullet wrapped in a small layer of Copper with an even harder penetrator in the center.
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Immoren wrote:Saphirasia and his ICBCPs (inter continental ballistic cattle prod)
Yes, I Am infact Biop.


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Postby Khornatenreich » Sun Sep 08, 2013 5:21 pm

Oi, DMR variant of the StGew 55', or the "StGew 55' L-Scharf" as it is officially known within the Khormacht.


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Postby Yes Im Biop » Sun Sep 08, 2013 5:22 pm

Khornatenreich wrote:Oi, DMR variant of the StGew 55', or the "StGew 55' L-Scharf" as it is officially known within the Khormacht.


(Image)


That scope looks very far forward
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Immoren wrote:Saphirasia and his ICBCPs (inter continental ballistic cattle prod)
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Postby Khornatenreich » Sun Sep 08, 2013 5:23 pm

Yes Im Biop wrote:
Khornatenreich wrote:Oi, DMR variant of the StGew 55', or the "StGew 55' L-Scharf" as it is officially known within the Khormacht.


(Image)


That scope looks very far forward




It's a German rifle man, the very definition of "far forward".
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Postby Aqizithiuda » Sun Sep 08, 2013 5:25 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:I didn't suggest above 300gr, because that seem to be some ways above what rounds in that calibre tend to weigh.


.408 CheyTac?

Yes Im Biop wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:I didn't suggest above 300gr, because that seem to be some ways above what rounds in that calibre tend to weigh.


The AP round is essentially a Tungsten bullet wrapped in a small layer of Copper with an even harder penetrator in the center.


...

What?

Yes Im Biop wrote:
Khornatenreich wrote:Oi, DMR variant of the StGew 55', or the "StGew 55' L-Scharf" as it is officially known within the Khormacht.


(Image)


That scope looks very far forward


I agree.
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Puzikas wrote:This is beyond condom on toes. This is full on Bra-on-balls.


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Hellraiser-Army wrote:and clearly I am surrounded by idiots who never looked at a blueprint before...


Live fire is not an effective means of communication.

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