Main Military Weapon of Your Country: Part 12

[Bezombia]

The problem with a drum is that, no matter what you still have the mechanism of the drum taking up a large amount of space.
Casket, helical, and horizontal magazines do not have this problem.

Took the words out if my mouth.

I'd say you've earned it, your no longer foe'd.

Two in two days! I'm on a roll!

Well I guess. Can anyone explain to me just how casket mags even work?

Quite like two magazines attatched to each other, but using the same feed lips.



Casket on the right, drum on the left.
I found a take-down of the AK-74's casket magazine a while back, I'll see if I can find it again.

[Purpelia]

Now I am reminded why I don't like them.

[Bezombia]

Now I am reminded why I don't like them.

Why is that?

Anyway I found another diagram, this one a bit more clear:

[Graznovia]

Just for laughs.

[Bezombia]

Just for laughs.
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That's been posted twice already.

[Immoren]

Just for laughs.
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That's been posted twice already.

Thrird time's the charm.

[United Republics of Aralon]

Does anyone know is Osmium is a good penetratr? I Know it's heavy as hell, Quite a bit more so than Tungsten. I don't know if it's hard though

Ain't osmium brittle?

You can get good alloys with osmium. But its expensive. And to get good alloys you need to alloy it with other expensive stuff like Iridium. So its a no go.

[Purpelia]

Now I am reminded why I don't like them.

Why is that?

Anyway I found another diagram, this one a bit more clear:

They look like ugly boxes that taper at the top.
Also, to comply to the requirement for a 3mm flat area for the neck I had to modify the round.
Here is the "improved" 7.5 x 25 Felix A2 111 grain: link
ballistics

[Bezombia]

Why is that?

Anyway I found another diagram, this one a bit more clear:

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They look like ugly boxes that taper at the top.

I wouldn't say they're ugly.


That's a 60 round casket magazine. Ugly? No more so than any normal 30rounder for the AK-74.

As for taper, yes...

...but it's roughly a quarter the width of a similar drum, and from the personal account I read a few weeks ago as easy to hold as a normal mag.

[United Republics of Aralon]

Just for laughs.
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GTA VI, Operators gone wild.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Is it just me or have MMW, MMGV and mil realism threads really sped up?

[Fordorsia]

Couple of quick questions before I retire to bed.

FNP90's, with special forces. Lead would also have a P99 sidearm and each with Katars for backup - Would this allow for a balanced team if additions were made for mission parameters.

Second.
Ten man squads with SCAR-Hs, two Smaws and a Pancor Jackhammer. Appropriate for a general operation?

Problems with both.

Don't issue a sidearm. They're useless and I'm surprised they've lasted this long in military service.

Pancor Hackhammer is a jamming bullfrog that never saw production.
Also if you want 7.62x51, use an AR-10 derivative with a stretched forward bolt carrier. Your soldiers' shoulders will be happier for it.

So, you wouldn't have it and not need it than need it and not have it? Good way to show your troops you care about them.

Out of curiosity with the subject, what universe is Beano land in and what sort of combat does it's soldiers see most?

Is it just me or have MMW, MMGV and mil realism threads really sped up?

Nope, it's everyone.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

They look like ugly boxes that taper at the top.

I wouldn't say they're ugly.


That's a 60 round casket magazine. Ugly? No more so than any normal 30rounder for the AK-74.

As for taper, yes...

...but it's roughly a quarter the width of a similar drum, and from the personal account I read a few weeks ago as easy to hold as a normal mag.

Quadstack mags aren't reliable, so I hear. At least not those made for the AR-15/M16 ( Surefire was it ? )

The Beta C-Mag is even less reliable iirc. How reliable are plain drums generally compared to good ol dual stack mags ?

[Bezombia]

Problems with both.

Don't issue a sidearm. They're useless and I'm surprised they've lasted this long in military service.

Pancor Hackhammer is a jamming bullfrog that never saw production.
Also if you want 7.62x51, use an AR-10 derivative with a stretched forward bolt carrier. Your soldiers' shoulders will be happier for it.

So, you wouldn't have it and not need it than need it and not have it? Good way to show your troops you care about them.

Anything you'd need a pistol for, there are other weapons that do the job just as good without dragging you down with the sidearm.
Pistol ammo isn't weightless, and if you carry around a second weapon and it's ammo you lose ammo capacity for your main weapon.
Also, for tank crews PDWs are better than pistols due to increased firepower and range, whilst still being relatively compact.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Couple of quick questions before I retire to bed.

FNP90's, with special forces. Lead would also have a P99 sidearm and each with Katars for backup - Would this allow for a balanced team if additions were made for mission parameters.

Second.
Ten man squads with SCAR-Hs, two Smaws and a Pancor Jackhammer. Appropriate for a general operation?

The Jackhammer would be just for shits and gigs, tbh. Putting the usefulness (or rather lack thereof) of fully automatic shotguns ( or rather issuing any type of shotgun so vastly for military use ), if you really want to use one, just go US-style AA or Russian/Soviet Saiga 12.

[Black Hand]

So, you wouldn't have it and not need it than need it and not have it? Good way to show your troops you care about them.

Anything you'd need a pistol for, there are other weapons that do the job just as good without dragging you down with the sidearm.
Pistol ammo isn't weightless, and if you carry around a second weapon and it's ammo you lose ammo capacity for your main weapon.
Also, for tank crews PDWs are better than pistols due to increased firepower and range, whilst still being relatively compact.

Glock 19, 1 mag loaded, 2 in reserve, total? 2.5 pounds more or less.

[Bezombia]

Anything you'd need a pistol for, there are other weapons that do the job just as good without dragging you down with the sidearm.
Pistol ammo isn't weightless, and if you carry around a second weapon and it's ammo you lose ammo capacity for your main weapon.
Also, for tank crews PDWs are better than pistols due to increased firepower and range, whilst still being relatively compact.

Glock 19, 1 mag loaded, 2 in reserve, total? 2.5 pounds more or less.

And that 2.5 pounds could go towards 2.5 more pounds of main rifle ammunition, which, you know, has a lot more uses.

[Bhelyant]

Anything you'd need a pistol for, there are other weapons that do the job just as good without dragging you down with the sidearm.
Pistol ammo isn't weightless, and if you carry around a second weapon and it's ammo you lose ammo capacity for your main weapon.
Also, for tank crews PDWs are better than pistols due to increased firepower and range, whilst still being relatively compact.

Glock 19, 1 mag loaded, 2 in reserve, total? 2.5 pounds more or less.

2.99829 pounds

3 Ar15 mags or nearly 2 Ak-103 magazines

[Black Hand]

Glock 19, 1 mag loaded, 2 in reserve, total? 2.5 pounds more or less.

And that 2.5 pounds could go towards 2.5 more pounds of main rifle ammunition, which, you know, has a lot more uses.

True, I was justifying such a weapon for say, an officer. I have pistols issued optionally, they are available at greatly discounted prices however are not standard to many soldiers, however are standard to all heavy weapons crewmen, and vehicle operators. Of course my pistol is the Arch Mp-14 PDW.... so yeah.

[Bezombia]

And that 2.5 pounds could go towards 2.5 more pounds of main rifle ammunition, which, you know, has a lot more uses.

True, I was justifying such a weapon for say, an officer. I have pistols issued optionally, they are available at greatly discounted prices however are not standard to many soldiers, however are standard to all heavy weapons crewmen, and vehicle operators. Of course my pistol is the Arch Mp-14 PDW.... so yeah.

I don't issue pistols.

I technically do have a standard issue pistol and always have had, over the course of my history, a standard issue pistol but it wasn't actually issued to anybody.
They saw service, though. From 1980-1996 if you were a tanker/pilot and the standard smg didn't really work for you, you could request an automatic pistol instead and chances are you'd end up with one.

[Black Hand]

question for the thread, How much could I get in say a Su-34 Cockpit where the eniterty of the cockpit ejected? (i'm not actually doing this to said craft, but I have a similar Idea with the same rough space) I would like to Incorporated some slightly heavier weapons. and was debating on issuing a pair of CC-M Taipan's with the 8" breacher barrel. along with a survival kit. and maybe an ultra light anti-tank weapon.

[Yes Im Biop]

Ain't osmium brittle?

You can get good alloys with osmium. But its expensive. And to get good alloys you need to alloy it with other expensive stuff like Iridium. So its a no go.

What kind of alloys?

[United Republics of Aralon]

You can get good alloys with osmium. But its expensive. And to get good alloys you need to alloy it with other expensive stuff like Iridium. So its a no go.

What kind of alloys?

Iridium Osmium,but Iridium is the rarest metal therefore its usage is ridiculous whenever an other solution exists.

[Yes Im Biop]

What kind of alloys?

Iridium Osmium,but Iridium is the rarest metal therefore its usage is ridiculous whenever an other solution exists.

Say it's not. What does it do well?

[Bezombia]

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