NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #4

[Yes Im Biop]

Human's sure. SOme folks here use ether more armor, Bigger people, Or non humans. I use all three.

Frilly, flaming, homosexual Otherkin die just as easily as Poles, though. 9mm is so effective, they're using two 9mm guns in this picture.

And if someone is wearing armour why are you shooting a pistol at them?

Huh?


And because you have just been fucked and have no ammo

[Xanixi]

Just bringing up this post.

As long as they can function as normal (AT the moment front line fighting would probably be out)

Quite frankly, if there is such a moment where a veteran would require such augmentations as prostheses, it's safe to assume that they'd be honorably discharged entirely.

I am also in 2037, which - or at least so far as I have been told - should make it easier for me to actually be able to use this technology on the front lines (although, assuming the costs still haven't actually dimmed, would be restricted to certain special operations forces).

[Galla-]

Regarding the cybernetic augmentations question I made the other day, I was wondering; in the military itself, it could be "restricted" to special operations forces. However, after doing a bit of research, I determined that I could also use these augmentations as prostheses for wounded veterans, assuming they were willing.

How viable would that be? Granted, I'm assuming a major factor in whether this is a viable course of action is considering just how much conflict my nation goes into, but let's just assume it's relatively often.

Just bringing up this post.

It would literally be the same as prostheses today.

[Xanixi]

Just bringing up this post.

It would literally be the same as prostheses today.

To my understanding, cybernetic augmentations allow you to have more control. If such augmentations were replacing body parts with a regular prosthetic replica of which you could only move the unit as a whole, it would not be an augmentation. The idea is that it is cybernetic, much like in Deus Ex: Human Revolution.

Yes, it would cost more, but it would also debilitate veterans less.

[Yes Im Biop]

It would literally be the same as prostheses today.

To my understanding, cybernetic augmentations allow you to have more control. If such augmentations were replacing body parts with a regular prosthetic replica of which you could only move the unit as a whole, it would not be an augmentation. The idea is that it is cybernetic, much like in Deus Ex: Human Revolution.

Yes, it would cost more, but it would also debilitate veterans less.

We have low level controllable prosthetic that are woven into nerve endings. The amount of augmentation in Deus is probably half a century away

[Imperializt Russia]

Just bringing up this post.

It would literally be the same as prostheses today.

Not really, since I've never heard of a person who decided to get a prosthesis instead of a working limb.

[Galla-]

It would literally be the same as prostheses today.

To my understanding, cybernetic augmentations allow you to have more control. If such augmentations were replacing body parts with a regular prosthetic replica of which you could only move the unit as a whole, it would not be an augmentation. The idea is that it is cybernetic, much like in Deus Ex: Human Revolution.

Yes, it would cost more, but it would also debilitate veterans less.

When robot arms trump normal arms, I'll get back to you.

Don't hold your breath. You're looking at something significantly better than current prostheses, and still worse than a biological limb.

[Xanixi]

To my understanding, cybernetic augmentations allow you to have more control. If such augmentations were replacing body parts with a regular prosthetic replica of which you could only move the unit as a whole, it would not be an augmentation. The idea is that it is cybernetic, much like in Deus Ex: Human Revolution.

Yes, it would cost more, but it would also debilitate veterans less.

We have low level controllable prosthetic that are woven into nerve endings. The amount of augmentation in Deus is probably half a century away

Not quite the same, though.

And, if I do remember correctly, someone told me that I could technically have this kind of technology by the 2030s, and that technological restraints were not as much an impacting factor as people actually willing to do this was.

To my understanding, cybernetic augmentations allow you to have more control. If such augmentations were replacing body parts with a regular prosthetic replica of which you could only move the unit as a whole, it would not be an augmentation. The idea is that it is cybernetic, much like in Deus Ex: Human Revolution.

Yes, it would cost more, but it would also debilitate veterans less.

When robot arms trump normal arms, I'll get back to you.

Don't hold your breath. You're looking at something significantly better than current prostheses, and still worse than a biological limb.

I'm not saying this is the kind of thing we'd give troops for the lolz. This is in the case of, for example, infection and necessitated amputation. You no longer have a biological limb.

So, yes, this isn't as good as a biological limb, but if you don't have a biological limb, a cybernetic prosthesis will do.

[Spirit of Hope]

Design beginnings for an aircraft carrier. Thoughts?

Displacement: 32,000 tonnes
Length: 752 Feet
Beam: 152 Feet
Draught: 28 feet
Propulsion:
Speed: 28 Knots
Crew: 1,100 Crew, 450 Air Wing
Armaments: 4 CIWS
Air Craft: Maximum 40, standard complement 30

[Galla-]

I'm not saying this is the kind of thing we'd give troops for the lolz. This is in the case of, for example, infection and necessitated amputation. You no longer have a biological limb.

So, yes, this isn't as good as a biological limb, but if you don't have a biological limb, a cybernetic prosthesis will do.

And how many infantryman run around with prostheses?

Very few, if any. Most of them get sent home.

[Xanixi]

I'm not saying this is the kind of thing we'd give troops for the lolz. This is in the case of, for example, infection and necessitated amputation. You no longer have a biological limb.

So, yes, this isn't as good as a biological limb, but if you don't have a biological limb, a cybernetic prosthesis will do.

And how many infantryman run around with prostheses?

Very few, if any. Most of them get sent home.

Well, yes, of course. This isn't so that they can go back into the fight. That's not what I'm looking for. If you need prostheses, you're getting medically discharged and sent home.

[Yes Im Biop]

And how many infantryman run around with prostheses?

Very few, if any. Most of them get sent home.

Well, yes, of course. This isn't so that they can go back into the fight. That's not what I'm looking for. If you need prostheses, you're getting medically discharged and sent home.

*pokes* Gallaian's... Yeah close enough probably kill themselves before they leave a battle feild

[Imperializt Russia]

Design beginnings for an aircraft carrier. Thoughts?

Displacement: 32,000 tonnes
Length: 752 Feet
Beam: 152 Feet
Draught: 28 feet
Propulsion:
Speed: 28 Knots
Crew: 1,100 Crew, 450 Air Wing
Armaments: 4 CIWS
Air Craft: Maximum 40, standard complement 30

Considering this is half the weight, a little shorter and a lot slimmer and higher-sitting in the water than QE2, this seems to have a rather large aircraft complement.

Judging by the QE2 again, your crew numbers are backwards.

[Galla-]

And how many infantryman run around with prostheses?

Very few, if any. Most of them get sent home.

Well, yes, of course. This isn't so that they can go back into the fight. That's not what I'm looking for. If you need prostheses, you're getting medically discharged and sent home.

What's this?

I am also in 2037, which - or at least so far as I have been told - should make it easier for me to actually be able to use this technology on the front lines (although, assuming the costs still haven't actually dimmed, would be restricted to certain special operations forces).

Well, yes, of course. This isn't so that they can go back into the fight. That's not what I'm looking for. If you need prostheses, you're getting medically discharged and sent home.

*pokes* Gallaian's... Yeah close enough probably kill themselves before they leave a battle feild

So much elan pent up in their bodies they die of cardiac arrest and seizures if they can't rend the enemy with bayonets.

[Yes Im Biop]

Well, yes, of course. This isn't so that they can go back into the fight. That's not what I'm looking for. If you need prostheses, you're getting medically discharged and sent home.

What's this?

I am also in 2037, which - or at least so far as I have been told - should make it easier for me to actually be able to use this technology on the front lines (although, assuming the costs still haven't actually dimmed, would be restricted to certain special operations forces).

*pokes* Gallaian's... Yeah close enough probably kill themselves before they leave a battle feild

So much elan pent up in their bodies they die of cardiac arrest and seizures if they can't rend the enemy with bayonets.

Coming from anyone else I would call BS. Coming from you I think it's corect

[Spirit of Hope]

Design beginnings for an aircraft carrier. Thoughts?

Displacement: 32,000 tonnes
Length: 752 Feet
Beam: 152 Feet
Draught: 28 feet
Propulsion:
Speed: 28 Knots
Crew: 1,100 Crew, 450 Air Wing
Armaments: 4 CIWS
Air Craft: Maximum 40, standard complement 30

Considering this is half the weight, a little shorter and a lot slimmer and higher-sitting in the water than QE2, this seems to have a rather large aircraft complement.

Judging by the QE2 again, your crew numbers are backwards.

I was looking at the Charles de Gaul for crew, and looking at the QE2 just tells me the air crew should be more equal. I'll admit the air craft numbers might be high, but thats max possible vs. what actually carries. I'll shrink it.

[The Akasha Colony]

Design beginnings for an aircraft carrier. Thoughts?

Displacement: 32,000 tonnes
Length: 752 Feet
Beam: 152 Feet
Draught: 28 feet
Propulsion:
Speed: 28 Knots
Crew: 1,100 Crew, 450 Air Wing
Armaments: 4 CIWS
Air Craft: Maximum 40, standard complement 30

Considering this is half the weight, a little shorter and a lot slimmer and higher-sitting in the water than QE2, this seems to have a rather large aircraft complement.

Judging by the QE2 again, your crew numbers are backwards.

QE2 isn't exactly the most efficient design though in terms of space utilization.

[Elan Valleys]

QE2 is designed to use as few crew as possible.

[Questers]

And as few aircraft, apparently.

[Spirit of Hope]

So given those basic dimensions (I'm working on a top down view) I should be able to fit 30-40 aircraft? 40 being full up, 30 being more regular.

[Democratic Koyro]

QE2 is designed to use as few crew as possible.

Not necessarily a good idea.

[Imperializt Russia]

Considering this is half the weight, a little shorter and a lot slimmer and higher-sitting in the water than QE2, this seems to have a rather large aircraft complement.

Judging by the QE2 again, your crew numbers are backwards.

QE2 isn't exactly the most efficient design though in terms of space utilization.

It's the first modern lightweight carrier that came to mind.
As well as the most modern.

[The Akasha Colony]

QE2 isn't exactly the most efficient design though in terms of space utilization.

It's the first modern lightweight carrier that came to mind.
As well as the most modern.

At 65,000 tonnes, I wouldn't exactly call it light.

[Imperializt Russia]

It's the first modern lightweight carrier that came to mind.
As well as the most modern.

At 65,000 tonnes, I wouldn't exactly call it light.

By "lightweight carrier", I mean not a supercarrier.
Admittedly, QE2's significantly heavier than a Kuznetsov and significantly so compared to the Charles de Gaulle.

[Spirit of Hope]

QE2 is designed to use as few crew as possible.

Not necessarily a good idea.

Well it does make quite a bit of sense actually. By cutting down on crew they cut down on costs, while also leaving more manpower for other units. Which is especially a good idea when you are the United Kingdoms and you don't have a massive budget or massive man power to call upon.