NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #4

[Kouralia]

Would it possible to construct an easy to use field converion kit for an AR based assault rifle to take both STANAG and AKM magazines. Like in a way that in a combat environment a person veins cover could quickly and easily conver the the STANAG asserting AR style rifle into a AKM box magazine accepting rifle? If so could I get some ideas on it.

My nation uses the M16A4 but in are last major engagement we found that many unites in deep in combat zones would run out of 5.56x45mm rounds but would have plenty of 7.62x39mm rounds with AKM box magazines. This was fixed with the issuing of the SR-47 to many unitesin detect combat. But we understand that strictly using the SR-47 is impractical but all are soldiers are trained to use AR style rifles do switching to an AKM Style rifle would be hard to retrain our troops. So a conversion kit would be great but I don't know of any that exist or if it's even practical.

If you're rly stuck, pick up the AKM attached to the AKM Magazine and use that.

[San-Silvacian]

Would it possible to construct an easy to use field converion kit for an AR based assault rifle to take both STANAG and AKM magazines. Like in a way that in a combat environment a person veins cover could quickly and easily conver the the STANAG asserting AR style rifle into a AKM box magazine accepting rifle? If so could I get some ideas on it.

My nation uses the M16A4 but in are last major engagement we found that many unites in deep in combat zones would run out of 5.56x45mm rounds but would have plenty of 7.62x39mm rounds with AKM box magazines. This was fixed with the issuing of the SR-47 to many unitesin detect combat. But we understand that strictly using the SR-47 is impractical but all are soldiers are trained to use AR style rifles do switching to an AKM Style rifle would be hard to retrain our troops. So a conversion kit would be great but I don't know of any that exist or if it's even practical.

You don't want to do that.

The US tried such a project during the current engagements, however jamming rates were very high as were issues with magazines.

The thing is, the AKs our current enemy uses are a mixture of every AK. The US AR/AK convert was designed to take nice, well maintained magazines but got shit when in-country. Then the difference in ammunition also became an issue as well.

Just use an M-16 whatever and issue more magazines if you need to.

[Anemos Major]

Special Operations?

Are they not just the Japanese RAF Regiment?

Technically speaking, there's only really one proper SOF-equivalent group in the SDF, and nobody knows anything about it so we've taken to calling anybody with slightly different equipment or training 'special forces' to make ourselves feel all modern and first world

[Imperializt Russia]

Would it possible to construct an easy to use field converion kit for an AR based assault rifle to take both STANAG and AKM magazines. Like in a way that in a combat environment a person veins cover could quickly and easily conver the the STANAG asserting AR style rifle into a AKM box magazine accepting rifle? If so could I get some ideas on it.

My nation uses the M16A4 but in are last major engagement we found that many unites in deep in combat zones would run out of 5.56x45mm rounds but would have plenty of 7.62x39mm rounds with AKM box magazines. This was fixed with the issuing of the SR-47 to many unitesin detect combat. But we understand that strictly using the SR-47 is impractical but all are soldiers are trained to use AR style rifles do switching to an AKM Style rifle would be hard to retrain our troops. So a conversion kit would be great but I don't know of any that exist or if it's even practical.

Not really. There exist 7.62mm upper receivers for the AR-15, but these require specially designed magazines which you're obviously not going to find in a warzone. They also jam horrifically, and require you to carry around a secondary upper receiver, barrel affixed, at all times.
The SR-47 can only feed from 7.62x39mm magazines.

As well as being pretty finicky between what sort of quality and type of 7.62x39mm magazine it can even accept, it can't take 5.45mm magazines.
This would require you to completely switch your ammunition production to 7.62x39mm, or carry around a full-size spare rifle for the eventuality in which you run out of ammunition - so why not just carry more magazines instead?

As mentioned earlier, the best solution is to pick up one of those AK rifles that these magazines lying around are attached to.

[Triplebaconation]

Those actually look like Sig SG 510, which would mean 60s at the latest.


EDIT: Looking again, they're deff not SG 510s exactly, or they're deff not vintage. They've been modified somehow.

Type 64 took a lot longer than ten years to bring into service - if anything, the JASDF probably only started receiving them in the late 70s-early 80s. Probably worth noting that as of a few years ago, JMSDF base security was still using M3 .45s (that's the WWII era submachine gun, not anything fancy and new), and the JGSDF's regular infantry still train fully with 64s before being equipped with 89s in their respective formations (because there aren't enough rifles to go around the training groups on top of the infantry).

Those are JASDF security guards with Type 64s. Duh?

Indeedy. The photo you found of the Minebea isn't a JASDF operator though, it's exceedingly hard to find photos of the BDDTS with them which is irritating. There was a book somewhere that had a few decent photos, so I'll see if I can dig up some of those.

He's JASDF, but the photo is from 2009.

[Baskisk]

Would it possible to construct an easy to use field converion kit for an AR based assault rifle to take both STANAG and AKM magazines. Like in a way that in a combat environment a person veins cover could quickly and easily conver the the STANAG asserting AR style rifle into a AKM box magazine accepting rifle? If so could I get some ideas on it.

My nation uses the M16A4 but in are last major engagement we found that many unites in deep in combat zones would run out of 5.56x45mm rounds but would have plenty of 7.62x39mm rounds with AKM box magazines. This was fixed with the issuing of the SR-47 to many unitesin detect combat. But we understand that strictly using the SR-47 is impractical but all are soldiers are trained to use AR style rifles do switching to an AKM Style rifle would be hard to retrain our troops. So a conversion kit would be great but I don't know of any that exist or if it's even practical.

You don't want to do that.

The US tried such a project during the current engagements, however jamming rates were very high as were issues with magazines.

The thing is, the AKs our current enemy uses are a mixture of every AK. The US AR/AK convert was designed to take nice, well maintained magazines but got shit when in-country. Then the difference in ammunition also became an issue as well.

Just use an M-16 whatever and issue more magazines if you need to.

Alright, and I guess it wouldn't hurt to add familiarity train for several different weapon systems while in boot camp.

[Anemos Major]

He's JASDF, but the photo is from 2009.

Oh, it's from back when they were transitioning them to better equipment to make the Patriot battery displays look better.

Between the scarf he's wearing in the same series of photos and the face-camouflage, he looks more like an artillery crewman than anything

[Romberg]

What's the difference between ground recon and remote sensing?

[San-Silvacian]

You don't want to do that.

The US tried such a project during the current engagements, however jamming rates were very high as were issues with magazines.

The thing is, the AKs our current enemy uses are a mixture of every AK. The US AR/AK convert was designed to take nice, well maintained magazines but got shit when in-country. Then the difference in ammunition also became an issue as well.

Just use an M-16 whatever and issue more magazines if you need to.

Alright, and I guess it wouldn't hurt to add familiarity train for several different weapon systems while in boot camp.

Don't.

Classes like that should be given to people who will most like encounter said weaponry (i.e. Combat Arms) while in whatever AIT like schooling you have.

[Questers]

Special Operations?

Are they not just the Japanese RAF Regiment?

Technically speaking, there's only really one proper SOF-equivalent group in the SDF, and nobody knows anything about it so we've taken to calling anybody with slightly different equipment or training 'special forces' to make ourselves feel all modern and first world

I love the 'we.' You'll be singing fucking Gunkan Koushinkyoku when you've had too many G&Ts next.

[Galla-]

There is only one good service pistol. It's called the Browning Hi power. If you use any pistol that is not the Browning Hi power you are a raging faggot, I'm sorry to say.

Except perhaps M1911 and Makarovs.

Fuck the Hi Power with it's gay, pansie ass 9mm. .45ACP for days.

Yeah I mean 9mm has only killed more people than any other cartridge ever.

[Yes Im Biop]

Fuck the Hi Power with it's gay, pansie ass 9mm. .45ACP for days.

Yeah I mean 9mm has only killed more people than any other cartridge ever.

I've seen this statement before. I still don't see it's relevance.

[Galla-]

Yeah I mean 9mm has only killed more people than any other cartridge ever.

I've seen this statement before. I still don't see it's relevance.

That it's perfectly sufficient for killing people?



Accept no substitutes.

[Xanixi]

Regarding the cybernetic augmentations question I made the other day, I was wondering; in the military itself, it could be "restricted" to special operations forces. However, after doing a bit of research, I determined that I could also use these augmentations as prostheses for wounded veterans, assuming they were willing.

How viable would that be? Granted, I'm assuming a major factor in whether this is a viable course of action is considering just how much conflict my nation goes into, but let's just assume it's relatively often.

Just bringing up this post.

[Yes Im Biop]

I've seen this statement before. I still don't see it's relevance.

That it's perfectly sufficient for killing people?



Accept no substitutes.

Human's sure. SOme folks here use ether more armor, Bigger people, Or non humans. I use all three.

[Yes Im Biop]

Regarding the cybernetic augmentations question I made the other day, I was wondering; in the military itself, it could be "restricted" to special operations forces. However, after doing a bit of research, I determined that I could also use these augmentations as prostheses for wounded veterans, assuming they were willing.

How viable would that be? Granted, I'm assuming a major factor in whether this is a viable course of action is considering just how much conflict my nation goes into, but let's just assume it's relatively often.

Just bringing up this post.

As long as they can function as normal (AT the moment front line fighting would probably be out)

[Registug]

Let's not let the 9mm shitstorm get too out of hand, shall we?

[Romberg]

What's the difference between ground recon and remote sensing?

Mentlegen and dailies?

[Registug]

What's the difference between ground recon and remote sensing?

Mentlegen and dailies?

I've no idea what you mean by remote sensing.

Or ground recon for that matter.

More specificism please.

[Spirit of Hope]

What's the difference between ground recon and remote sensing?

Mentlegen and dailies?

I mean Ground Recon is having troops on the ground getting data and doing recon. Remote sensing would be more like seeing whats there with sensors from afar, so satellites, radar, etc.

[Romberg]

wait my bad. ground surveillance.

Both apply to aircraft.

[Galla-]

That it's perfectly sufficient for killing people?

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Accept no substitutes.

Human's sure. SOme folks here use ether more armor, Bigger people, Or non humans. I use all three.

Frilly, flaming, homosexual Otherkin die just as easily as Poles, though. 9mm is so effective, they're using two 9mm guns in this picture.

And if someone is wearing armour why are you shooting a pistol at them?

[Registug]

wait my bad. ground surveillance.

Both apply to aircraft.

So, what, eyes on target as opposed to Early Warning Radar?

Or drones vs manned recon aircraft?

[Romberg]

Both are manned. And both do have sensors and stuff onboard.

[Registug]

¯\(°_o)/¯

No idea what either is then.