NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #4

[Questers]

you want regiment or division? division is a bit much to handle (seriously, its fucking crazy)

What is your source anyway?

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/870 ... 201989.pdf
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/870 ... P%2089.pdf

[United Republics of Aralon]

I have used cheap vodka to light a stubborn campfire. It can help. Dunno we use nitrated cotton wool because it rarely causes intoxication and burns hotter and is smokeless.

Now, that makes sense.
Cotton burns, alcohol makes it burn better.

I thought you were literally proposing emptying a shot of vodka over some sticks and holding a Zippo to it

No i meant vodka and cotton. But as I said our military uses nitrated cotton instead of cotton+alcohol. People can get very crafty when its about booze.
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Question: the merits of armored cars vs. Light tanks as means of reconnaissance?
I have light tanks mainly built for hunting other light armor, but should I use an other one or a car as a primary armored reconnaissance vehicle?

[The Republic of Lanos]

I am contemplating packing the vine rations in those sealed plastic bags used for sterile water. That should discourage pooling and binge drinking by being difficult and annoying to open repeatedly.

They will find a way.

[The United Remnants of America]

Vihenia, if you do the emissions on that, and change the frequencies to the right range, you could technically jam a person instead of his equipment. But that might require a bit more power than a footmobile transmitter could kick out.

I do like the "sewn in" idea. Some of my soldiers use short-distance comms gear, and the radios have been modified so the soldier's armor is the antenna, that way they don't need to have an actual antenna on their body that may give them away.

I see.. so personal protection can be included eh..thanks And yes it does require more power.

Well, I've pretty much taken all the equipment add-ons and combined them into a single suit of armor, the T-56 Power Armor. So it basically comes with built-in communications and full optics suites. The one thing I haven't been able to add-on to it is visible stealth gear. Power Armor kicks ass.

[Purpelia]

What is your source anyway?

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/870 ... 201989.pdf
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/870 ... P%2089.pdf

Those are interesting. But how do you know how many men and equipment are in the units beyond the vehicles?

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Now, that makes sense.
Cotton burns, alcohol makes it burn better.

I thought you were literally proposing emptying a shot of vodka over some sticks and holding a Zippo to it

No i meant vodka and cotton. But as I said our military uses nitrated cotton instead of cotton+alcohol. People can get very crafty when its about booze.
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Question: the merits of armored cars vs. Light tanks as means of reconnaissance?
I have light tanks mainly built for hunting other light armor, but should I use an other one or a car as a primary armored reconnaissance vehicle?

Armoured cars will work well in decent terrain and conditions.
Typically lightweight and comparatively small and fast on a road.

Light tanks will work well in all terrain and conditions, and will typically mount a heavier armament for the OSHI moment when that infantry company is a kilometre closer than the last report pegged them.

[Questers]

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/870 ... 201989.pdf
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/870 ... P%2089.pdf

Those are interesting. But how do you know how many men and equipment are in the units beyond the vehicles?

some of it is intuitive, some of it is guesswork, some of it is memory, some of it is a direct source. that source actually tells you what equipment is used, sometimes (a SAM platoon has 9 sams for example.)

[Purpelia]

Those are interesting. But how do you know how many men and equipment are in the units beyond the vehicles?

some of it is intuitive, some of it is guesswork, some of it is memory, some of it is a direct source. that source actually tells you what equipment is used, sometimes (a SAM platoon has 9 sams for example.)

But what do you do for stuff that isn't mentioned and cant be guessed?

[United Republics of Aralon]

No i meant vodka and cotton. But as I said our military uses nitrated cotton instead of cotton+alcohol. People can get very crafty when its about booze.
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Question: the merits of armored cars vs. Light tanks as means of reconnaissance?
I have light tanks mainly built for hunting other light armor, but should I use an other one or a car as a primary armored reconnaissance vehicle?

Armoured cars will work well in decent terrain and conditions.
Typically lightweight and comparatively small and fast on a road.

Light tanks will work well in all terrain and conditions, and will typically mount a heavier armament for the OSHI moment when that infantry company is a kilometre closer than the last report pegged them.

After checking wiki, WWII era armored cars packed ruffly the same punch as recon LTs. (Although my Bulldog LTs are heavily armed they are more of cruiser tanks than scouts)
Since cars work well only on fairly decent terrain I'll have to have specialised recon tanks,the question is which to have more/better of?

[Questers]

some of it is intuitive, some of it is guesswork, some of it is memory, some of it is a direct source. that source actually tells you what equipment is used, sometimes (a SAM platoon has 9 sams for example.)

But what do you do for stuff that isn't mentioned and cant be guessed?

for example? except personnel virtually eveerything required is mentioned

I don't know how many defibrillators are in medical platoon. do you need to?

[Purpelia]

for example? except personnel virtually eveerything required is mentioned

Mostly personnel. Like for example how many people are attached to the repair workshop in the communications platoon of a motor rifle regiment headquarters section?

I don't know how many defibrillators are in medical platoon. do you need to?

I'd love to. But baring that I'd be content with knowing the number of nurses per vehicle.

Mind you those are helpful in that they let me structure the force in general terms. But I need more data to feed my perfectionism.

[Immoren]

I wonder if 10-12 rounds that cv90120 seems to carry as ready rounds in autoloaders is enough in recon duties where firepower is secondary to discretion and have scout!cv90120 carry team of recce soldiers instead of extra ammo in the back.

[Purpelia]

I wonder if 10-12 rounds that cv90120 seems to carry as ready rounds in autoloaders is enough in recon duties where firepower is secondary to discretion and have scout!cv90120 carry team of recce soldiers instead of extra ammo in the back.

Why not just mix a few regular CV90s to a unit of CV90120s? That way you can have a decent squad along with you and keep the rest of the unit as light tanks?

[Immoren]

I wonder if 10-12 rounds that cv90120 seems to carry as ready rounds in autoloaders is enough in recon duties where firepower is secondary to discretion and have scout!cv90120 carry team of recce soldiers instead of extra ammo in the back.

Why not just mix a few regular CV90s to a unit of CV90120s? That way you can have a decent squad along with you and keep the rest of the unit as light tanks?

considered doing that. But there seems something appealing in having all vehicles of tank battalion's scout platoon toting 120mm gun.

[Purpelia]

Why not just mix a few regular CV90s to a unit of CV90120s? That way you can have a decent squad along with you and keep the rest of the unit as light tanks?

considered doing that. But there seems something appealing in having all vehicles of tank battalion's scout platoon toting 120mm gun.

Honestly I don't see why. I don't think that the 120 is going to be as powerful as full on tank guns (is it?). I'd rather have a 30mm or maybe a 40mm and a missile launcher handy.

[The State of Czecho-Slovakia]

Could someone tell me more about the soviet tactic of amphibious desant ?

[Aqizithiuda]

Does anyone know anything about long (L/D = >5.5 of CD) and collinear EFPs and their abilities? Outside of a presentation showing drawings and/or pictures of them and saying they exist, I can't seem to find anything on them.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Well, the General Assembly now think that I'm a deplorable and horrible bastard for being a serious advocate behind chemical weapons use against soldiers that exist only in minds.

Irony?

[Spirit of Hope]

Well, the General Assembly now think that I'm a deplorable and horrible bastard for being a serious advocate behind chemical weapons use against soldiers that exist only in minds.

Irony?

Bah, with NS style warfare chemical weapons aren't even that bad. At least they don't kill everyone in the world, I'm looking at you bio weapons! I mean tear gas is a chemical weapon and no one blinks an eye when you throw that at civilians.

[Crookfur]

How much haggis and condensed milk should there be in the Crookfur 24hr ration pack.


it does actually concern me that almost nobody seems to issue condensed milk in their ration packs/MREs on NS. The sweet sickly stuff too distinctly british?

Condensed milk, no. Too sickly.

Haggis is however issued in Elan Valleys rations.


You also seem a good person to ask: Could I replace the 6x .50 in the P-40E Kittyhawk with 4x 20mm Hispanos? It seems it's only an extra 10 kilos, but would ammo size/weight be to different??

it should be doable esspecially if you go for the belt fed british version rather than the original drum fed versions.

Ammo weight could be an issue as IIRC 20x110mm rounds are about 2.5x the weight of a .50BMG round. Unsurprisingly you would be carrying far less ammo probably only 60 rounds per gun.

[Elan Valleys]

Condensed milk, no. Too sickly.

Haggis is however issued in Elan Valleys rations.


You also seem a good person to ask: Could I replace the 6x .50 in the P-40E Kittyhawk with 4x 20mm Hispanos? It seems it's only an extra 10 kilos, but would ammo size/weight be to different??

it should be doable esspecially if you go for the belt fed british version rather than the original drum fed versions.

Ammo weight could be an issue as IIRC 20x110mm rounds are about 2.5x the weight of a .50BMG round. Unsurprisingly you would be carrying far less ammo probably only 60 rounds per gun.

Only 60? Bugger that!

How about 2x 20mm and 2x .50?

Or 2x20mm and 4x .30?

[Crookfur]

it should be doable esspecially if you go for the belt fed british version rather than the original drum fed versions.

Ammo weight could be an issue as IIRC 20x110mm rounds are about 2.5x the weight of a .50BMG round. Unsurprisingly you would be carrying far less ammo probably only 60 rounds per gun.

Only 60? Bugger that!

How about 2x 20mm and 2x .50?

Or 2x20mm and 4x .30?

I wouldn;t have said 60 roudns per gun was that terrible cosndiering the kittyhawk only had soemthing like 230odd roudns per gun of .50cal. if I were to go mixed i would go with 2x 20 plus 4x .303/.30, mixing 20mm and .50cal seems a bit of a waste.

[Purpelia]

Random question time. How would a 13.something x 110mm round behave? I am thinking 13.3 - 13.5 here.

[Elan Valleys]

Only 60? Bugger that!

How about 2x 20mm and 2x .50?

Or 2x20mm and 4x .30?

I wouldn;t have said 60 roudns per gun was that terrible cosndiering the kittyhawk only had soemthing like 230odd roudns per gun of .50cal. if I were to go mixed i would go with 2x 20 plus 4x .303/.30, mixing 20mm and .50cal seems a bit of a waste.

Spitfires/Hurricanes managed 160 rpg for the 20mm IIRC.

60 rpg is about 5 seconds firing time.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Remember that 20mm is easily four times more effective per round than .50
Many MiGs that were hit in Korea were largely undamaged by the F-86's .50 rounds, and roughly two-thirds of a Sabre's entire ammunition supply was the average required expenditure was needed to guarantee a kill.