NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #4

[Samozaryadnyastan]

I assume you keep rocket artillery in a separate formation?

yes its at division level only

Even BM-21?

[Questers]

Questers has a gin ration

[Purpelia]

I assume you keep rocket artillery in a separate formation?

yes its at division level only

And this is regiment... I assume that's the same as a brigade. As in bigger than a battalion but smaller than a division. Right?

[Questers]

yes its at division level only

Even BM-21?

yes. bm-21 was not at regiment level for soviets either

[Questers]

yes its at division level only

And this is regiment... I assume that's the same as a brigade. As in bigger than a battalion but smaller than a division. Right?

questers has regiments for cavalry and brigade sfor infantry but yes, they serve the main purpose - the principal manoeuvre formation of a division.

[New Vihenia]

Hmmm i wonder whether "personal protection radar" have any realistic value aside from cool factor like in Metal Gear Solid ?

Possible usage for me is well as a substitute for nightvision equipment through use of radiometric modes imaging, gun ranging.. and possibly for spooting someone hiding behind the walls.

Other application may include local communications jamming.

Datalink communication is also possible and covert too.. depending on the frequency used.

The radar would be interfaced to user through some sort of glasses... projecting hologram or it could be in handleheld console though this might reduce flexibility. Or in more ambitious stuff.. directly linked to the optical lobe of user..so say hello to Terminator style HUD

One advantage is that this system can be more weather resistant than optical means..as well as being more "covert" as the antenna may have same color and shape as the outift and can be hidden behind clothes without hampering its function (as clothes are essentially dielectric thus allow passage of radiowaves) Giving covert ops ability.

One problem is of course the interface which can be visible.

About concept :

This radar is multimode-multispectral type with active phased array conformal antenna, integrated to the outfit of the personnel, the antenna element is integrated with the microstrip radiator mounted in certain part of the outfit for less ambitious design (say..shoulder perhaps) Or in more ambitious thought of mine... the antenna and elements are "sewn" to the outfit.Thus act as conformal array which require extensive radiation pattern control in both Phase and amplitudes to achieve beamsteering.

Power source is battery with some sort of that kinetic device developed to charge cellphones. Maximum range of interest in clear condition for gunnery help might be say 500m to 1 Km for typical human (with RCS of 1 Sqm) In Penetrating modes it would be able to detect object behind at least 1 m thick of concrete.

I haven't established any figures for antennas and power so.. above "wish" might be exaggerated.

Operating frequency is well..i have several choice based on covertness or range.. They're all however lies in Milimmetre waveband for high bandwidth and small size hardware. One may say that atmospheric absorbance is problematic which is yes... However for short range radar system..this is of a small concern.. even it could be an advantage as it would naturally "protect" the emission of the radar from "overshoot" like typical radar system.

Well that is all

Now i just wish i could add decent drawing or 3D models of character wearing suit with that radar integrated...

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Even BM-21?

yes. bm-21 was not at regiment level for soviets either

I'd have considered moving the BM-21 down to regiment level, BM-27 into the Artillery Regiment of the Division and then Smerch tags along somewhere in the Machine Gun and Artillery Division of a Front.

I am considering issuing packets of vine.

You still have not fallen victim of the evil W. This is good.
Issuing alcohol may not be the best idea. Alltough I heard that minute amounts of alcohol help with aiming more steadily, I am skeptic about this, but still it'd be better to issue it as a hard spirit, as it could be used as an sterliser/fire starter as well.

I'm relatively certain that alcohol fires are exceedingly brief, if they actually go at all.

I believe it's one of the theories behind the Marie Celeste.

[Questers]

oh im wrong. soviet tankr egiment had 2 troops of 3 BM-21.

well anyway, I have mortars instead, which I think are better.

[Purpelia]

And this is regiment... I assume that's the same as a brigade. As in bigger than a battalion but smaller than a division. Right?

questers has regiments for cavalry and brigade sfor infantry but yes, they serve the main purpose - the principal manoeuvre formation of a division.

Thanks. Now I will go work on my own units. I really newer manage to go higher than a battalion thou. What messes me up is the lack of data on the various support units. Like what the hell is in a signals company? How many men? what vehicles? I just can't find much data on anything but combat units.

I am considering issuing packets of vine.

You still have not fallen victim of the evil W. This is good.
Issuing alcohol may not be the best idea. Alltough I heard that minute amounts of alcohol help with aiming more steadily, I am skeptic about this, but still it'd be better to issue it as a hard spirit, as it could be used as an sterliser/fire starter as well.

The kind of quantities I am talking about should probably only be worth for morale purposes. It would basically equate to one small cup per day.

[Crookfur]

Modern 105mm shells for the L118 are apparently as effective as 155mm.

Though I cannot find the specifics on the new British ammo, it is probably a Pre-Formed Fragmentation shell which is significantly more effective than conventional HEFRAG... against soft targets.

But compared to conventional 155mm HE (or a 122/130mm shell) lethality against hard targets of all kinds, both structural and material, the lethality is still a lot lower. You can also apply the same technology to larger caliber rounds for even MORE lethality against soft-targets, but this has not been done IRL because it would compromise effectiveness against other targets.

IIRC its the super duper south african stuff just modified for use with L118 charge sets rather than the full lulz 105mm LEO system.

So yeah pre-formed Fragments.



Mitheldalond: Are you looking for soemthing very much recce orietated in which case soemthing like the Fennek, BRDM-2, Panhard crab or even a recce equipped light MRAP like the LMV would do the job. If you don't midn using soemthign a little older the CVR(T) series would be peefect either scorpion or scimitar. With scorpion you do have soem nice upgun options and some enginr options (which could equally be applied to scimitar).

if you want to carry dismounts (actually a nice thing to have and quite important in some forms of mechanised recce) then any of the current APC/IFV families would do the job but you might want to have a good long look at the various offerings for the british FRES programme.

[The Republic of Lanos]

Pool alcohol rations. Get shitfaced.

[United Republics of Aralon]

yes. bm-21 was not at regiment level for soviets either

I'd have considered moving the BM-21 down to regiment level, BM-27 into the Artillery Regiment of the Division and then Smerch tags along somewhere in the Machine Gun and Artillery Division of a Front.

You still have not fallen victim of the evil W. This is good.
Issuing alcohol may not be the best idea. Alltough I heard that minute amounts of alcohol help with aiming more steadily, I am skeptic about this, but still it'd be better to issue it as a hard spirit, as it could be used as an sterliser/fire starter as well.

I'm relatively certain that alcohol fires are exceedingly brief, if they actually go at all.

I believe it's one of the theories behind the Marie Celeste.

I have used cheap vodka to light a stubborn campfire. It can help. Dunno we use nitrated cotton wool because it rarely causes intoxication and burns hotter and is smokeless.

[Questers]

Thanks. Now I will go work on my own units. I really newer manage to go higher than a battalion thou. What messes me up is the lack of data on the various support units. Like what the hell is in a signals company? How many men? what vehicles? I just can't find much data on anything but combat units.

I can help you with that quite easily. It's all soviet, however, so it may not suit you.

[Immoren]

I've two "light" battalions in manouvre brigades' artillery regiments with 122mm guns.

Mind giving me the layout of the full artillery regiment?

Regimental headquarters battery
Light multiple rocket launcher battery
Two light artillery battalions (battalion headquarters battery and three gun batteries)
heavy artillery battalion (battalion headquarters and three gun batteries)
Headquarter batteries have hq-, service-, supply-, signals-, delivery- and medical sections.
Gun and mlr batteries have hq&service section and two fires sections with 3 gun squads in each section.

[Purpelia]

Thanks. Now I will go work on my own units. I really newer manage to go higher than a battalion thou. What messes me up is the lack of data on the various support units. Like what the hell is in a signals company? How many men? what vehicles? I just can't find much data on anything but combat units.

I can help you with that quite easily. It's all soviet, however, so it may not suit you.

Anything is better than nothing. Give me all you've got.

[The United Remnants of America]

Vihenia, if you do the emissions on that, and change the frequencies to the right range, you could technically jam a person instead of his equipment. But that might require a bit more power than a footmobile transmitter could kick out.

I do like the "sewn in" idea. Some of my soldiers use short-distance comms gear, and the radios have been modified so the soldier's armor is the antenna, that way they don't need to have an actual antenna on their body that may give them away.

[Purpelia]

Mind giving me the layout of the full artillery regiment?

Regimental headquarters battery
Light multiple rocket launcher battery
Two light artillery battalions (battalion headquarters battery and three gun batteries)
heavy artillery battalion (battalion headquarters and three gun batteries)
Headquarter batteries have hq-, service-, supply-, signals-, delivery- and medical sections.
Gun and mlr batteries have hq&service section and two fires sections with 3 gun squads in each section.

Thanks.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

oh im wrong. soviet tankr egiment had 2 troops of 3 BM-21.

well anyway, I have mortars instead, which I think are better.

You have mortars which are better than 122mm 30km rocket artillery?

[Questers]

I can help you with that quite easily. It's all soviet, however, so it may not suit you.

Anything is better than nothing. Give me all you've got.

you want regiment or division? division is a bit much to handle (seriously, its fucking crazy)

[Samozaryadnyastan]

I'd have considered moving the BM-21 down to regiment level, BM-27 into the Artillery Regiment of the Division and then Smerch tags along somewhere in the Machine Gun and Artillery Division of a Front.
I'm relatively certain that alcohol fires are exceedingly brief, if they actually go at all.

I believe it's one of the theories behind the Marie Celeste.

I have used cheap vodka to light a stubborn campfire. It can help. Dunno we use nitrated cotton wool because it rarely causes intoxication and burns hotter and is smokeless.

Now, that makes sense.
Cotton burns, alcohol makes it burn better.

I thought you were literally proposing emptying a shot of vodka over some sticks and holding a Zippo to it

[Purpelia]

Anything is better than nothing. Give me all you've got.

you want regiment or division? division is a bit much to handle (seriously, its fucking crazy)

What is your source anyway?

[Crookfur]

Questers has a gin ration

proabably for maximum mental highlander madness Crookfur probably has an uisge beatha ratiion: i.e. raw uncasked, unblended "traditional" whiskey distilled in batches in stupidly old stills

[New Vihenia]

Vihenia, if you do the emissions on that, and change the frequencies to the right range, you could technically jam a person instead of his equipment. But that might require a bit more power than a footmobile transmitter could kick out.

I do like the "sewn in" idea. Some of my soldiers use short-distance comms gear, and the radios have been modified so the soldier's armor is the antenna, that way they don't need to have an actual antenna on their body that may give them away.

I see.. so personal protection can be included eh..thanks And yes it does require more power.

[Questers]

oh im wrong. soviet tankr egiment had 2 troops of 3 BM-21.

well anyway, I have mortars instead, which I think are better.

You have mortars which are better than 122mm 30km rocket artillery?

i have fucking shit tons of mortars at every levle because mortars are the best fire support

Mortar Battalion
Personnel: 609
54 x officers
138 x NCOs
417 x enlisted

Equipment:
2 x jeeps
1 x ambulance
4 x maintenance vehicles
5 x liquid carriers
57 x 5t trucks
8 x ACRV (Artillery Command and Recce Vehicle)
3 x Fire Direction trucks
2 x trailers
16 x 120mm SP-Mortar
8 x 220mm SP-Mortar

Headquarters
----- 1 jeep, 2 5t trucks, 2 ACRV, 1 IFV-Radar
----- 38 personnel
Mortar Battery
----- 8 120mm SP-Mortars, 12 5t trucks, 2 ACRV, 1 FD Truck
----- 145 personnel
Mortar Battery
----- 8 120mm SP-Mortars, 12 5t trucks, 2 ACRV, 1 FD Truck
----- 145 personnel
Mortar Battery
----- 8 220mm SP-Mortars, 12 5t trucks, 2 ACRV, 1 FD Truck
----- 145 personnel
Supply Section
----- 1 jeep, 5 5t trucks, 2 trailers, 5 liquid carriers
----- 80 personnel
Maintenance Section
----- 2 5t trucks, 4 maintenance vehicles
----- 52 personnel
Medical Section
----- 1 ambulance
----- 4 personnel

[Purpelia]

I am contemplating packing the vine rations in those sealed plastic bags used for sterile water. That should discourage pooling and binge drinking by being difficult and annoying to open repeatedly.