NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #4

[European Prussia]

Military of the Federation of Cortezia

OOC:Feedback?

[Kouralia]

How much haggis and condensed milk should there be in the Crookfur 24hr ration pack.


it does actually concern me that almost nobody seems to issue condensed milk in their ration packs/MREs on NS. The sweet sickly stuff too distinctly british?

I issue 24hr packs with the creamer powder you get in British Packs. The tea you can make with the British packs is passable, so I only really need to change the main meals etc. for a more Kouralian Cuisine. Maybe replace the Tabasco bottle with a mini bottle of wine.

[Mitheldalond]

What would you recommend I use for a scout/reconnaissance vehicle? The M2/M3 Bradley, LAV-25, some Stryker variant, or something completely different?

I'm an island nation, so whatever I use has to be easy to deploy from either aircraft or amphibious landing ships. I'm interested in speed and mobility, though safety and survivability are obviously important. It doesn't need to be heavily armed, but it should be able to defend itself. Amphibious capabilities would be nice to have, but aren't absolutely necessary.

[Questers]

http://iiwiki.com/wiki/Questarian_Army_Doctrine

http://iiwiki.com/wiki/The_Brink_%28book%29

check it b1tches

[Purpelia]

Is there a role for 122mm artillery any more or should I just jump completely to 155?

[Questers]

Is there a role for 122mm artillery any more or should I just jump completely to 155?

I use 122 for a regiments artillery battalion because the munitions are easier to transport.

[The Kievan People]

Is there a role for 122mm artillery any more or should I just jump completely to 155?

I think 122 or 130mm aren't bad choices at all for an air-mobile, hand loaded, towed guns.

More punch than 105mm but still much lighter than 155mm.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

I still use 122/120mm artillery as the Soviets did, as direct fire support for tanks.

[The United Remnants of America]

What would you recommend I use for a scout/reconnaissance vehicle? The M2/M3 Bradley, LAV-25, some Stryker variant, or something completely different?

I'm an island nation, so whatever I use has to be easy to deploy from either aircraft or amphibious landing ships. I'm interested in speed and mobility, though safety and survivability are obviously important. It doesn't need to be heavily armed, but it should be able to defend itself. Amphibious capabilities would be nice to have, but aren't absolutely necessary.

My nation goes with the M2/M3 Bradleys and Stryker APCs. The Strykers are good little urban warfare vehicles. The Brads are nice for distance and open-land engagements. Neither are what you'd call amphibious unless you had specialized modified variants. If you want to transport them on a ship or plane or something, I'd go for the Strykers, only because they're a bit smaller and much lighter.

If you're really wanting a off-the-shelf amphib IFV/APC, then go for the BMP-3 or BMD. Big Russian weapons. If you wanna stick to Western amphib, then go for the Brads.

[Elan Valleys]

Is there a role for 122mm artillery any more or should I just jump completely to 155?

I think 122 or 130mm aren't bad choices at all for an air-mobile, hand loaded, towed guns.

More punch than 105mm but still much lighter than 155mm.

Modern 105mm shells for the L118 are apparently as effective as 155mm.

[The United Remnants of America]

Is there a role for 122mm artillery any more or should I just jump completely to 155?

Depends on if you want self-propelled or towed artillery. I go with the Crusaders. 155mm Self-propelled artillery. A towed artillery would be easier if it was smaller than that. But if you want a Self-propelled, might as well go all out.

[Immoren]

Is there a role for 122mm artillery any more or should I just jump completely to 155?

I've two "light" battalions in manouvre brigades' artillery regiments with 122mm guns.

[The United Remnants of America]

I think 122 or 130mm aren't bad choices at all for an air-mobile, hand loaded, towed guns.

More punch than 105mm but still much lighter than 155mm.

Modern 105mm shells for the L118 are apparently as effective as 155mm.

But 105s just don't have that nice crater-making capability or the boom like a 155.

[Purpelia]

Is there a role for 122mm artillery any more or should I just jump completely to 155?

I've two "light" battalions in manouvre brigades' artillery regiments with 122mm guns.

Mind giving me the layout of the full artillery regiment?

[Samozaryadnyastan]

I think 122 or 130mm aren't bad choices at all for an air-mobile, hand loaded, towed guns.

More punch than 105mm but still much lighter than 155mm.

Modern 105mm shells for the L118 are apparently as effective as 155mm.

How are we defining 'effective'?
You might come close to matching the explosive payload of the M107, but 105mm shells weigh less than the content of M795.
I also doubt we're going to get nigh on two thousand shell splinters of anything like the lethality offered by 155mm rounds.

[The United Remnants of America]

See, you understand. The gist of the above's argument is "bigger boom, less problems."

[The Kievan People]

Modern 105mm shells for the L118 are apparently as effective as 155mm.

Though I cannot find the specifics on the new British ammo, it is probably a Pre-Formed Fragmentation shell which is significantly more effective than conventional HEFRAG... against soft targets.

But compared to conventional 155mm HE (or a 122/130mm shell) lethality against hard targets of all kinds, both structural and material, the lethality is still a lot lower. You can also apply the same technology to larger caliber rounds for even MORE lethality against soft-targets, but this has not been done IRL because it would compromise effectiveness against other targets.

[United Republics of Aralon]

How much haggis and condensed milk should there be in the Crookfur 24hr ration pack.


it does actually concern me that almost nobody seems to issue condensed milk in their ration packs/MREs on NS. The sweet sickly stuff too distinctly british?

I do issue it.

(Back from a long absence caused by wrapping up highschool, admisson tests and such.)

Milk proteins and Ca are important nutrients and it also passes with cofee and helps to relieve a certain common problem with all military ration packs.

[Questers]

I probs issue condensed milk too. :british: though

[Purpelia]

I am considering issuing packets of vine.

[Questers]

heres the questarian mech/tank regiment artillery battalion

Howitzer Battalion
Personnel: 910
79 x officers
198 x NCOs
633 x enlisted

Equipment:
2 x jeeps
1 x ambulance
4 x maintenance vehicles
5 x liquid carriers
57 x 5t trucks
10 x ACRV (Artillery Command and Recce Vehicle)
4 x Fire Direction trucks
2 x trailers
24 x 122mm SP-Art
8 x 155mm SP-Art

Headquarters
----- 1 jeep, 2 5t trucks, 2 ACRV, 1 IFV-Radar
----- 38 personnel
Gun Battery
----- 8 122mm SP-Art, 12 5t trucks, 2 ACRV, 1 FD Truck
----- 184 personnel
Gun Battery
----- 8 122mm SP-Art, 12 5t trucks, 2 ACRV, 1 FD Truck
----- 184 personnel
Gun Battery
----- 8 122mm SP-Art, 12 5t trucks, 2 ACRV, 1 FD Truck
----- 184 personnel
Gun Battery
----- 8 155mm SP-Art, 12 5t trucks, 2 ACRV, 1 FD Truck
----- 184 personnel
Supply Section
----- 1 jeep, 5 5t trucks, 2 trailers, 5 liquid carriers
----- 80 personnel
Maintenance Section
----- 2 5t trucks, 4 maintenance vehicles
----- 52 personnel
Medical Section
----- 1 ambulance
----- 4 personnel

[The United Remnants of America]

I import most of my military food and rations. Hell, I import a lot of my grains from neighbors. We have great forests and seas, but our farmland is sparse... That and we don't have enough people working in farming. If anyone would want to set up a trade deal, rations for weapons... I'd be fine with that, otherwise my soldiers abroad will starve.

[Purpelia]

I assume you keep rocket artillery in a separate formation?

[Questers]

I assume you keep rocket artillery in a separate formation?

yes its at division level only

[United Republics of Aralon]

I am considering issuing packets of vine.

You still have not fallen victim of the evil W. This is good.
Issuing alcohol may not be the best idea. Alltough I heard that minute amounts of alcohol help with aiming more steadily, I am skeptic about this, but still it'd be better to issue it as a hard spirit, as it could be used as an sterliser/fire starter as well.