NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #4

[Themiclesia]

Perhaps it's important to bring in the fact that we also rely on PMCs at times.

[Imperializt Russia]

You could engage that with a Stinger missile.

Stinger only has like a 4 mile range, which gives you about 30 seconds to engage the cruise missile. Not making me feel all that safe.

Only an IRL note I'm going to Scotland to study for a semester, anyone got any helpful hints?

The Stinger battery will be given guiding fire from air defence radars that will alert the battery well before the missile comes into range.
According to the Stinger/Igla comparison chart, Stinger's engagement velocities are unrecorded but all versions of Igla should be capable of engaging approaching or receding missiles. Though the Igla has peculiar numbers, where it can engage receding targets at much greater speeds than approaching targets.

[Imperializt Russia]

I wonder who'll get the last post. Im thinking I will write a guide to realism.

If you do, I'd happily include it.

On that note, do you have the link to that webpage of yours?

[Spirit of Hope]

Perhaps it's important to bring in the fact that we also rely on PMCs at times.

Which are generally more expensive and less trustworthy than having regular troops. Plus PMC's don't usually have they heavy weapons required for modern warfare.

Stinger only has like a 4 mile range, which gives you about 30 seconds to engage the cruise missile. Not making me feel all that safe.

Only an IRL note I'm going to Scotland to study for a semester, anyone got any helpful hints?

The Stinger battery will be given guiding fire from air defence radars that will alert the battery well before the missile comes into range.
According to the Stinger/Igla comparison chart, Stinger's engagement velocities are unrecorded but all versions of Igla should be capable of engaging approaching or receding missiles. Though the Igla has peculiar numbers, where it can engage receding targets at much greater speeds than approaching targets.

Good point about the radar, hadn't thought about that. I never thought that it couldn't destroy the cruise missile, I just don't think most MANPADS will have a fast enough engagement time when you include the human.

Only an IRL note I'm going to Scotland to study for a semester, anyone got any helpful hints?

I study in Scotland. Whereabouts are you going? You can telegram me if you want some information about it.

Edinburgh University.

[Crookfur]

You could engage that with a Stinger missile.

Stinger only has like a 4 mile range, which gives you about 30 seconds to engage the cruise missile. Not making me feel all that safe.

Only an IRL note I'm going to Scotland to study for a semester, anyone got any helpful hints?

Don't go to Glasgow Caledonian or the University of the West of Scotland.

St. Andrews is about as Scottish as Dorchester these days.

Aberdeen is horrible

I don't know anything about the Edinburgh unis other than the fact that that they suffer from being in Edinburgh (but i'm just a biggoted Weggie/buddy)

Both Glasgow uni and Strath clyde uni's are good but glasgow uni does have the whole ancoent thing goign for it whilst Strathclyde is a massively jumped up polytechnic. Both come with the added attraction of Sauchiehall Street.

[Immoren]

[Crookfur]

I study in Scotland. Whereabouts are you going? You can telegram me if you want some information about it.

Edinburgh University.

In that case the most important thing to know is to ask for salt and vinegar on your supper when you order it from a Fish and Chips shop. Doing this will make you look like a local regardless of accent


anyway on subject

To answer Imo's questrion i would probabaly make it open to everyone but perhaps give the reserve officers and NCOs a degree of extra "weighting"/points in the selection process.

[Imperializt Russia]

The Stinger battery will be given guiding fire from air defence radars that will alert the battery well before the missile comes into range.
According to the Stinger/Igla comparison chart, Stinger's engagement velocities are unrecorded but all versions of Igla should be capable of engaging approaching or receding missiles. Though the Igla has peculiar numbers, where it can engage receding targets at much greater speeds than approaching targets.

Good point about the radar, hadn't thought about that. I never thought that it couldn't destroy the cruise missile, I just don't think most MANPADS will have a fast enough engagement time when you include the human.

In fairness, I'd only noticed because when I went onto the Stinger page to look for the engagement table, the titular image of the Stinger is an operator with a radioman behind him feeding him target information - which he must be getting from some kind of air defence radar (or, more likely in the situation of the image, an exercise commander).

From what I've heard, Edinburgh university is good.[/quote]
A friend of mind went there to continue her Vet studies after completing three years at Liverpool.

[Themiclesia]

Perhaps it's important to bring in the fact that we also rely on PMCs at times.

Which are generally more expensive and less trustworthy than having regular troops. Plus PMC's don't usually have they heavy weapons required for modern warfare.

Which is why regular troops co-operate with these mercenaries. And losing is fine for me because that's the role I have in the region: losing.

Any Torontonians here?

[New Tyran]

If he has the exact same budget and population as you do, and all other things are perfectly equal but he has a sane training regiment he should be able to easily field an army 10 times the size of yours and with better equipment as well.

It's some ridiculous number. £27,000,000,000,000.00 ridiculous if we're going by stats. It's sort of known inside region that Themicesia's military isn't really the best fighting force in New Odessa... with all the seriously outdated equipment and what has all been discussed previously.

Well, I'm not one to speak for him being New Tyran. But as I understand he keeps his force small as well.

The army isn't that small. Just over half a million men in total. Including reserve personal and the territorial army.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Which are generally more expensive and less trustworthy than having regular troops. Plus PMC's don't usually have they heavy weapons required for modern warfare.

Which is why regular troops co-operate with these mercenaries. And losing is fine for me because that's the role I have in the region: losing.

Problem is thatwith your current setup any victories you make can and will be accused of wanking and godmodding, plain and simple. We're here to help you prevent that unless you really want to lose every single engagement you will ever have in every rp because your 1 bn dollar personnel hid in foxholes.

27 quadrillion dollars? You're either Lyras x 1,000 or wanking. Yet all that money is wasted.

[Themiclesia]

Which is why regular troops co-operate with these mercenaries. And losing is fine for me because that's the role I have in the region: losing.

Problem is thatwith your current setup any victories you make can and will be accused of wanking and godmodding, plain and simple. We're here to help you prevent that unless you really want to lose every single engagement you will ever have in every rp because your 1 bn dollar personnel hid in foxholes.

27 quadrillion dollars? You're either Lyras x 1,000 or wanking. Yet all that money is wasted.

I don't know whence you discovered that figure of 27 quadrillion. You might be reading some literature I've prepared for FT.

Losing is part of realism too, isn't it?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Problem is thatwith your current setup any victories you make can and will be accused of wanking and godmodding, plain and simple. We're here to help you prevent that unless you really want to lose every single engagement you will ever have in every rp because your 1 bn dollar personnel hid in foxholes.

27 quadrillion dollars? You're either Lyras x 1,000 or wanking. Yet all that money is wasted.

I don't know whence you discovered that figure of 27 quadrillion. You might be reading some literature I've prepared for FT.

Losing is part of realism too, isn't it?

Your current setup does not allow you to gain victory.

[New Vihenia]

500 pages.

Anyway apparently less muzzle exit pressure is a good thing to have in a gun..because it would mean less muzzle flash.

[Themiclesia]

I don't know whence you discovered that figure of 27 quadrillion. You might be reading some literature I've prepared for FT.

Losing is part of realism too, isn't it?

Your current setup does not allow you to gain victory.

Well, the question of "against whom" begs to be asked. Stopping a few insurrections should be within its ability, because we are very much a gun-free country beyond the military.

[Imperializt Russia]

Your current setup does not allow you to gain victory.

Well, the question of "against whom" begs to be asked. Stopping a few insurrections should be within its ability, because we are very much a gun-free country beyond the military.

Like that's stopped any insurrectionist movement ever.

[Themiclesia]

Well, the question of "against whom" begs to be asked. Stopping a few insurrections should be within its ability, because we are very much a gun-free country beyond the military.

Like that's stopped any insurrectionist movement ever.

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[Registug]

What stops a neighbouring enemy from arming your undesirables?

[Themiclesia]

What stops a neighbouring enemy from arming your undesirables?

The lack of neighbours?

[Horizont]

What is the most effective weapon for killing as many people as possible and causing as much infrastructure damage as possible? The reason I'm asking is that the canon I'm in essentially has now only a couple of super-states and I feel that this will be the key to victory in potential future full-scale wars, because any conventional military engagements will simply become a meat-grinder and a stalemate of sorts.

[Themiclesia]

What is the most effective weapon for killing as many people as possible and causing as much infrastructure damage as possible? The reason I'm asking is that the canon I'm in essentially has now only a couple of super-states and I feel that this will be the key to victory in potential future full-scale wars, because any conventional military engagements will simply become a meat-grinder and a stalemate of sorts.

Confusion of language. Once men are not able to communicate, knowledge dies with the individual. Once this happens, we revert back to the Palaeolithic era because of the specialized nature of modern society. Most of us will be unable to perform most things that support our modern life style.

[New Vihenia]

What is the most effective weapon for killing as many people as possible and causing as much infrastructure damage as possible? The reason I'm asking is that the canon I'm in essentially has now only a couple of super-states and I feel that this will be the key to victory in potential future full-scale wars, because any conventional military engagements will simply become a meat-grinder and a stalemate of sorts.

Nuke.

[Imperializt Russia]

What stops a neighbouring enemy from arming your undesirables?

The lack of neighbours?

Russo-Afghan War.

[Horizont]

What is the most effective weapon for killing as many people as possible and causing as much infrastructure damage as possible? The reason I'm asking is that the canon I'm in essentially has now only a couple of super-states and I feel that this will be the key to victory in potential future full-scale wars, because any conventional military engagements will simply become a meat-grinder and a stalemate of sorts.

Confusion of language. Once men are not able to communicate, knowledge dies with the individual. Once this happens, we revert back to the Palaeolithic era because of the specialized nature of modern society. Most of us will be unable to perform most things that support our modern life style.

Interesting indeed.

Now if only there was some way to actually do that to an enemy populace.

[Registug]

What stops a neighbouring enemy from arming your undesirables?

The lack of neighbours?

Do you share your planet with no one?