NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #4

[Yes Im Biop]

Fill a layer between the interior and exterior of the bomb with some highly radioactive salt (Yes I know that's not what a "Salted Bomb" is) then make the case out of U-238.

[United States of PA]

Use a number of nuclear-tipped AShMs on its surface group, followed up by the killer missile attack.

Nukes wont kill the Electronics if that's what your getting at, and a proper Fleet should be spread out enough that some nukes shouldn't completely and utterly cripple it.

It offers you more missiles than you likely need, and gives you a significantly larger and more expensive warship to lose to attack.
Even Kirov is frankly needlessly oversized (though that's largely because it has nuclear and conventional propulsion).

In RL yes, in NS where you can go months between port visits to resupply your missiles, you can honestly close to never have "More missiles than you need"

[Imperializt Russia]

It would be basically worthless. Neutrons are attenuated rapidly by the atmosphere, and a massive increase in yield does not lead to a massive increase in the area of effect.

I see. What kind of weapon would be best if I want to create the highest amount of fallout possible?

Cobalt-lined nuclear weapon (see salted bomb).
Reduced yield, but maximised local fallout.

[Imperializt Russia]

Use a number of nuclear-tipped AShMs on its surface group, followed up by the killer missile attack.

Nukes wont kill the Electronics if that's what your getting at, and a proper Fleet should be spread out enough that some nukes shouldn't completely and utterly cripple it.

According to Allanea they would.
Salvo attack of nuclear devices to damage and blind the group, followed up by a salvo of conventional missiles to actually kill the ships.

They made them with nuclear tips for a reason after all.

[Horizont]

Nukes wont kill the Electronics if that's what your getting at, and a proper Fleet should be spread out enough that some nukes shouldn't completely and utterly cripple it.

According to Allanea they would.
Salvo attack of nuclear devices to damage and blind the group, followed up by a salvo of conventional missiles to actually kill the ships.

They made them with nuclear tips for a reason after all.

Wouldn't a nuclear explosion do a bit more than just cripple the electronics?

Unless you're not talking about a direct hit, which was what I assumed.

[Imperializt Russia]

According to Allanea they would.
Salvo attack of nuclear devices to damage and blind the group, followed up by a salvo of conventional missiles to actually kill the ships.

They made them with nuclear tips for a reason after all.

Wouldn't a nuclear explosion do a bit more than just cripple the electronics?

Unless you're not talking about a direct hit, which was what I assumed.

We're launching four 200-500kt nuclear devices into the midst of a heavily-dispersed naval group. Their electronics would be the most heavily damaged thing, unless you managed to put one of these weapons right next to a ship.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

May I ask if this table of organisation and equipment is realistic? My main concern is the ratios of personnel to equipment. I appreciate that it's fairly detailed, so thank you for taking the time to go through it.

Your first division now has thirty battalions, and every brigade has 6-9 of them. This is horribly unwieldy and hampers the brigade commander's situational awareness.
For comparison, every division of mine consists of three combat brigades of two regiments of two battalions each. Additional support is organized under the head logistics and artillery directors, consisting of one or two artillery regiments, two supply and support regiments brigaded together, lastly a signals and a engineering regiment brigaded together, all directly under the divisional commander, via logistics and artillery directors.

[Regnum Albion]

Is this slightly better?

Disregarding the large number of battalions at the moment (which I will try to fix as we go on), are the troop ratios better?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

What you need is not troop numbers but numbers of elements and subdivisions of each battalion. Like say instead of 500 men say two companies of around 200 personnel. This was everything becomes clearer and people will know from a glance how many manoeuvre elements one of your battalions have.

[Immoren]

What you need is not troop numbers but numbers of elements and subdivisions of each battalion. Like say instead of 500 men say two companies of around 200 personnel. This was everything becomes clearer and people will know from a glance how many manoeuvre elements one of your battalions have.

Or just handwave numbers completely away and just draw OOBs.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

What you need is not troop numbers but numbers of elements and subdivisions of each battalion. Like say instead of 500 men say two companies of around 200 personnel. This was everything becomes clearer and people will know from a glance how many manoeuvre elements one of your battalions have.

Or just handwave numbers completely away and just draw OOBs.

That too my dear fellow countryman from Östra Rikshalvan.

[Inyourfaceistan]

Use a number of nuclear-tipped AShMs on its surface group, followed up by the killer missile attack.

Nukes wont kill the Electronics if that's what your getting at, and a proper Fleet should be spread out enough that some nukes shouldn't completely and utterly cripple it.

A high altitude blast would put the entire fleet in the dark.

[Imperializt Russia]

Nukes wont kill the Electronics if that's what your getting at, and a proper Fleet should be spread out enough that some nukes shouldn't completely and utterly cripple it.

A high altitude blast would put the entire fleet in the dark.

And likely not generate the effects needed to damage critical and hardened electronic systems.

[Yes Im Biop]

Nukes wont kill the Electronics if that's what your getting at, and a proper Fleet should be spread out enough that some nukes shouldn't completely and utterly cripple it.

A high altitude blast would put the entire fleet in the dark.

WHy would it leave a hardened, Mostly steel ship in the dark?

[Inyourfaceistan]

A high altitude blast would put the entire fleet in the dark.

WHy would it leave a hardened, Mostly steel ship in the dark?

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe I read somewhere that there has been no sure-fire way of permanently hardening against a high-altitude nuclear explosion developed as of yet. And since Starfish Prime and K-whatever that Soviet test was there haven't even been any more high-altitude tests...

[Immoren]

What do ya reckon on air assault brigades:
1 AA Brigade per corps and corps' "fire brigade reserve"
Or
All AA brigades are collected under single AA division that's used as an army's "fire brigade reserve".


Or combination.

[Yes Im Biop]

WHy would it leave a hardened, Mostly steel ship in the dark?

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe I read somewhere that there has been no sure-fire way of permanently hardening against a high-altitude nuclear explosion developed as of yet. And since Starfish Prime and K-whatever that Soviet test was there haven't even been any more high-altitude tests...

Correct, You can't guarantee 100% Protection, but you can be damn sure that the controls for the ship, the reactor control's (If the ship has a reactor) And probably the Point Defense, are in a Faraday Cage from hell.

[Imperializt Russia]

WHy would it leave a hardened, Mostly steel ship in the dark?

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe I read somewhere that there has been no sure-fire way of permanently hardening against a high-altitude nuclear explosion developed as of yet. And since Starfish Prime and K-whatever that Soviet test was there haven't even been any more high-altitude tests...

Telephone cables are in the open and are, well, cables.

Controls for ships are buried within a steel cage called "the ship".

[Inyourfaceistan]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe I read somewhere that there has been no sure-fire way of permanently hardening against a high-altitude nuclear explosion developed as of yet. And since Starfish Prime and K-whatever that Soviet test was there haven't even been any more high-altitude tests...

Correct, You can't guarantee 100% Protection, but you can be damn sure that the controls for the ship, the reactor control's (If the ship has a reactor) And probably the Point Defense, are in a Faraday Cage from hell.

And what it multiple bladts occur? (obviously giving time between the detonation of the first and the launch of the second)

[Horizont]

Telephone cables are in the open and are, well, cables.

Controls for ships are buried within a steel cage called "the ship".

What is this sorcery?

[United States of PA]

There exist a lot of options for protecting against EMP Blasts.

Modern military electronics already make extensive use of this rendering modern ships/tanks/planes virtually immune to EMP Bursts. You can be damned sure NS probably takes it to another level. You wont blind a NS fleet with a EMP Burst from a Nuke.

Telephone cables are in the open and are, well, cables.

Controls for ships are buried within a steel cage called "the ship".

Civilian infrastructure is still most likely entirely within the realm of "HAHAHA i just blacked out ur nation lawl". Military however, no just no.

Remember, most of the stuff that NS shit is based off of was designed to operate in a nuclear wasteland, and continue to operate even after nuclear warheads have gone off fairly close by.

[Yes Im Biop]

Correct, You can't guarantee 100% Protection, but you can be damn sure that the controls for the ship, the reactor control's (If the ship has a reactor) And probably the Point Defense, are in a Faraday Cage from hell.

And what it multiple bladts occur? (obviously giving time between the detonation of the first and the launch of the second)

Then all systems are still in a steel cage, and the Faraday cages still give 0 shits. EMP's aren't additive.

[Sinovet]

What would you approximate to be the yield of a sub-nuclear warhead? That is, a missile-mounted device that is intended to cause as much devistation as possible, without making use of fission or fussion or another nuclear process, perhaps with the goal of avoiding radioactivity.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Can negative pressure zones be created in water in a similar manner to air?

It's called cavitation. Do you have a specific objective you want to get out of this?

I want to use a concept similar to the Dyson air multiplier to propel ships.

[The IASM]

What speeds would a pulse detonation engine get up to if put on an aircraft capable of handling them?