NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #4

[Purpelia]

Supercharge the LIDAR to make a laser beam and boil the seas away. Than approach the submarines on foot and knock on the hatches with a wrench.

Wrench.... that fires ATGMs.... Then it's hardcore enough.

If a physicist could get through several legions of aliens, an alien planet of evil and save the world armed with just a wrench I think that's hardcore enough to crack a sub.

[The Corparation]

Supercharge the LIDAR to make a laser beam and boil the seas away. Than approach the submarines on foot and knock on the hatches with a wrench.

Wrench.... that fires ATGMs.... Then it's hardcore enough.

Only if your ATGM carries a shaped nuclear charge warhead to better defeat :NS: tanks.

Wrench.... that fires ATGMs.... Then it's hardcore enough.

If a physicist could get through several legions of aliens, an alien planet of evil and save the world armed with just a wrench I think that's hardcore enough to crack a sub.

When did this happen? The only man I know of capable of such a feat used the crowbar. A much more powerful and elegant weapon compared to a measly wrench. Any sissy can use a wrench. It takes a REAL MAN^TM to wield a crowbar.

[Oaledonia]

Wrench.... that fires ATGMs.... Then it's hardcore enough.

If a physicist could get through several legions of aliens, an alien planet of evil and save the world armed with just a wrench I think that's hardcore enough to crack a sub.

But what if it's an NS scout sub?

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Can negative pressure zones be created in water in a similar manner to air?

[Inyourfaceistan]

What is a rough jamming range (distance) one could expect from an AN/AQL-99 system being transmitting from an EA-6b?

[United States of PA]

What is a rough jamming range (distance) one could expect from an AN/AQL-99 system being transmitting from an EA-6b?

Classified?

Honestly i doubt anyone can give you a remotely accurate answer. It all comes down to variables of like how powerful is your own radars/the enemy's radar, how far they are etc.

[Inyourfaceistan]

What is a rough jamming range (distance) one could expect from an AN/AQL-99 system being transmitting from an EA-6b?

Classified?

Honestly i doubt anyone can give you a remotely accurate answer. It all comes down to variables of like how powerful is your own radars/the enemy's radar, how far they are etc.

Alright, I'm just wondering how close I have to get to an enemy ship to jam it in support of an advancing missile attack.

[United States of PA]

Classified?

Honestly i doubt anyone can give you a remotely accurate answer. It all comes down to variables of like how powerful is your own radars/the enemy's radar, how far they are etc.

Alright, I'm just wondering how close I have to get to an enemy ship to jam it in support of an advancing missile attack.

What kind of ship?

[Inyourfaceistan]

Alright, I'm just wondering how close I have to get to an enemy ship to jam it in support of an advancing missile attack.

What kind of ship?

Carriers, destroyers, cruisers, frigates, "battleships", ect. Just generic military ships so I have a rough idea for future use.

[United States of PA]

What kind of ship?

Carriers, destroyers, cruisers, frigates, "battleships", ect. Just generic military ships so I have a rough idea for future use.

I dont think Jammer pods like that will make much of a dent against "current" NS Ships*. Against aircraft though it should have its uses


*If anyone has better understandings of how jamming works, feel free to correct me

[Canuckland]

How would a missile battleship do? Like a longer destroyer, with three times as many missiles or something. I'm just wondering. I'm not actually planning to do something like this, I'm just curious.

[Onekawa-Nukanor]

How would a missile battleship do? Like a longer destroyer, with three times as many missiles or something. I'm just wondering. I'm not actually planning to do something like this, I'm just curious.

Its fairly popular among those on NS who want to use battleships, and they just switch out the guns for missiles. I use them myself, as a matter of fact.

[The Kievan People]

Alright, I'm just wondering how close I have to get to an enemy ship to jam it in support of an advancing missile attack.

Dangerously close, it is probably easier to attach jammers to the individual missiles. It isn't a favorable situation because most cruise missiles approach at low altitude and can only be engaged a few tens of kilometers away anyways, modern radars have excellent sidelobe suppression (-50db is practical and even higher has been demonstrated. Which means a jamming signal that arrives in when the radar isn't looking directly at the jammer will be attenuated to 1/100,000th of its original power) and trying to prevent them from acquiring missiles 20km away with a jammer 400km away is a tall order.

Aware of this, the USAF has been converting its air-launched decoys into miniature jamming drones (this is called stand-in jamming. Conventional jamming pods are stand-off jamming.) The MALD-J would be expected to loiter right over a hostile radar while jamming it so that it can still ram a sufficiently potent signal through the sidelobes. The X-47B was also considered for this mission, because it is far too dangerous for manned aircraft.

It is potentially possible to jam the fleets surface-to-surface and surface-to-air communications from stand-off range though, which would seriously compromise the efficiency of their air defenses. This requires some big low-frequency jamming equipment though, so it is a mission that is restricted to large aircraft. The USAF was considering modifying B-52s to do this, among other things.

[The Kievan People]

So, LIDAR. Anti-submarines, and stuff.

Works, but blue lasers suffer from suck.

[Val Nube]

How would a missile battleship do? Like a longer destroyer, with three times as many missiles or something. I'm just wondering. I'm not actually planning to do something like this, I'm just curious.

Its fairly popular among those on NS who want to use battleships, and they just switch out the guns for missiles. I use them myself, as a matter of fact.

Wouldn't it make more sense to just use arsenal ships? Unless it's repurposed from a conventional setup.

[Oaledonia]

So, LIDAR. Anti-submarines, and stuff.

Works, but blue lasers suffer from suck.

I will have you know that my lasers where members of seal team 6.

[Velkanika]

Can negative pressure zones be created in water in a similar manner to air?

It's called cavitation. Do you have a specific objective you want to get out of this?

[Triplebaconation]

So, LIDAR. Anti-submarines, and stuff.

The most useful thing about lasers for ASW is that they can remotely measure water temperature.

[Horizont]

So, I have a system (called RADIT: RAdio/RAdar Detection, Interception and Tracking) that I use to perform surveillence of my territorial waters. It consists of several stations that can detect radio signals in a certain radius around them, which I'm pretty sure is possible.

Now, what could the enemy do (apart from not use radar and maintai radio silence) against this system, and what measures could I take against that?

[Rich and Corporations]

So, I have a system (called RADIT: RAdio/RAdar Detection, Interception and Tracking) that I use to perform surveillence of my territorial waters. It consists of several stations that can detect radio signals in a certain radius around them, which I'm pretty sure is possible.

Now, what could the enemy do (apart from not use radar and maintai radio silence) against this system, and what measures could I take against that?

Decoys.
That's pretty much it.

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So. Aluminum/Titanium/Magnesium welding.

[The Kievan People]

So, I have a system (called RADIT: RAdio/RAdar Detection, Interception and Tracking) that I use to perform surveillence of my territorial waters. It consists of several stations that can detect radio signals in a certain radius around them, which I'm pretty sure is possible.

Now, what could the enemy do (apart from not use radar and maintai radio silence) against this system, and what measures could I take against that?

Shooting them would work.

But the horizon is a thing. The coverage from land based stations is very limited, except at very low radio frequencies. They can just stay beyond the horizon.

[Val Nube]

So, I have a system (called RADIT: RAdio/RAdar Detection, Interception and Tracking) that I use to perform surveillence of my territorial waters. It consists of several stations that can detect radio signals in a certain radius around them, which I'm pretty sure is possible.

Now, what could the enemy do (apart from not use radar and maintai radio silence) against this system, and what measures could I take against that?

Shooting them would work.

But the horizon is a thing. The coverage from land based stations is very limited, except at very low radio frequencies. They can just stay beyond the horizon.

I thought that both the US and Russia had land-based stations that could see over the horizon?

[Horizont]

So, I have a system (called RADIT: RAdio/RAdar Detection, Interception and Tracking) that I use to perform surveillence of my territorial waters. It consists of several stations that can detect radio signals in a certain radius around them, which I'm pretty sure is possible.

Now, what could the enemy do (apart from not use radar and maintai radio silence) against this system, and what measures could I take against that?

Shooting them would work.

But the horizon is a thing. The coverage from land based stations is very limited, except at very low radio frequencies. They can just stay beyond the horizon.

Each station is quite large and operates a number of transmitter groups, each of which is at a different frequency.

Here's the factbook entry, could you tell me if the ranges are realistic and if any ranges could be higher?

[The Kievan People]

That map is a joke.

Radar horizon:
http://members.home.nl/7seas/radcalc.htm

[Horizont]

Well, I'll reduce the range of the radio intercepting system and just have more stations. The other radars can stay the same, I assume.