NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #4

[Canuckland]

If you want an automated nuclear equipped bomber to autonomously strike your foes, keeping a fueled B-1 analogue on the runway ready to go at a moment's notice is not the way to do things. Instead consider having the bomber in the air 24/7 propelled by an open-cycle nuclear ramjet. The Aircraft would fly at supersonic speeds, and fly super slow to the ground. Armament consists of a dozen hydrogen bombs and the aircraft's exhaust.

Escort them with B1-R's, just for maximum anti-aircraftage.

In case you didn't know, the B1-R is a planned upgrade for a few of the B1's that America owns. They plan to have over 22 or so Sidewinder missiles strapped onto the bottom of the bomber and let the B1 have the systems to launch them enmass if necessary.

Plus, it seems more logistical during refueling (For fuel tank purposes) and when managing the crafts.

[The Corparation]

If you want an automated nuclear equipped bomber to autonomously strike your foes, keeping a fueled B-1 analogue on the runway ready to go at a moment's notice is not the way to do things. Instead consider having the bomber in the air 24/7 propelled by an open-cycle nuclear ramjet. The Aircraft would fly at supersonic speeds, and fly super slow to the ground. Armament consists of a dozen hydrogen bombs and the aircraft's exhaust.

Escort them with B1-R's, just for maximum anti-aircraftage.

In case you didn't know, the B1-R is a planned upgrade for a few of the B1's that America owns. They plan to have over 22 or so Sidewinder missiles strapped onto the bottom of the bomber and let the B1 have the systems to launch them enmass if necessary.

Plus, it seems more logistical during refueling (For fuel tank purposes) and when managing the crafts.

A B-1R could not keep up with the aircraft I described. B-1R Top Speed: Mach 2.2 SLAM Top Speed Mach 3 at sea level. B-1 combat radius: Just under 3,000 miles w/o refueling. Less for B-1R. SLAM range: Several times the circumference of the earth.

[Triplebaconation]

Easy enough for the traditional spherical sonar. Noise cancellation is probably essential for flank and advanced towed arrays. Who knows though!

What if
you cancel out the noise of all that noisy shipping
but the submarine you're looking for has made itself sound like noisy shipping!
!!!!!!!!!!

What if
you knew how it really worked
!!!!!!!!!!

[San-Silvacian]

If you want an automated nuclear equipped bomber to autonomously strike your foes, keeping a fueled B-1 analogue on the runway ready to go at a moment's notice is not the way to do things. Instead consider having the bomber in the air 24/7 propelled by an open-cycle nuclear ramjet. The Aircraft would fly at supersonic speeds, and fly super slow to the ground. Armament consists of a dozen hydrogen bombs and the aircraft's exhaust.

Escort them with B1-R's, just for maximum anti-aircraftage.

In case you didn't know, the B1-R is a planned upgrade for a few of the B1's that America owns. They plan to have over 22 or so Sidewinder missiles strapped onto the bottom of the bomber and let the B1 have the systems to launch them enmass if necessary.

Plus, it seems more logistical during refueling (For fuel tank purposes) and when managing the crafts.

Its proposed, not planned.

Its an upgrade that focuses on a bomber that, though has less range, would be able to move over Mach 2 to quickly bomb a series of targets and leave, the missiles and AESA would be for self-defense, however I'd see even AIM-9Xs and an AESA on a B-1 about as useful as the M2s on the B17. Most of the external hardpoints would be modified for a larger array of conventional weaponry, with a few made to carry any form of A2A missile. I'd be certain they'd much rather carry AIM-120s than AIM-9s.

[Yes Im Biop]

Do they make bombs to capitalize on the B1-B's speed?

[San-Silvacian]

Do they make bombs to capitalize on the B1-B's speed?

Yeah a Mk 82

[Yes Im Biop]

Do they make bombs to capitalize on the B1-B's speed?

Yeah a Mk 82

Mach 2 Dummy bomb seems kinda strange.

[Imperializt Russia]

Do they make bombs to capitalize on the B1-B's speed?

Yeah a Mk 82

mk84 or gtfo

[Graditora]

I wish to start FT RPing and I would like to know what would be the best setup because my nation in the future never really stays on Earth/Homeworld but rather leaves it in a massive wave of self supporting ships that eventually link and create a man made planet that can break down quickly into it's original numerous state and re locate at will. There are only 20 billion people and in comparisons to some of the FT empires on NS. That's very small.

I have multiple questions and would be delighted if anyone could share some insight since I really tried thinking this out and would like a 3rd person party to intervene with some opinion/facts.
1. Should the army be made up of Droids and robots, clones, or be good old fashioned recruitment. The maximum the "planet" can sustain is around 30 million and can expand easily but space grows slowly and droids can be stored quiet easily. So which would be the better fighter and then which is the easiest to maintain?
2. What would be a good deployment stage? Drop pods/Landing craft, setting up a FOB with a teleporting station, conduct offensive/defensive operations? Something of this sort. Maybe even just mass drop podding of soldiers like ODST.
3. Should the fleet operate as a part of the planet and just break off when given orders to go offensive or defensive or be in an orbit/exploration/patrol?

If there is a better place to be asking this nonsense then could someone redirect me elsewhere?

[Purpelia]

I would just like to point out that there is no way in hell you could create anything even remotely resembling a planet and allow it to break up at all, let alone quickly and easily. The closest you could come to it is some sort of Dyson swarm thing where you basically have a huge fleet of ships all tethered together like a space fairing version of a gipsy caravan. So if you are going down that road, just forget any realism.

[Registug]

What if
you cancel out the noise of all that noisy shipping
but the submarine you're looking for has made itself sound like noisy shipping!
!!!!!!!!!!

What if
you knew how it really worked
!!!!!!!!!!

No need to jump on my back, mate

[Canuckland]

I wish to start FT RPing and I would like to know what would be the best setup because my nation in the future never really stays on Earth/Homeworld but rather leaves it in a massive wave of self supporting ships that eventually link and create a man made planet that can break down quickly into it's original numerous state and re locate at will. There are only 20 billion people and in comparisons to some of the FT empires on NS. That's very small.

I have multiple questions and would be delighted if anyone could share some insight since I really tried thinking this out and would like a 3rd person party to intervene with some opinion/facts.
1. Should the army be made up of Droids and robots, clones, or be good old fashioned recruitment. The maximum the "planet" can sustain is around 30 million and can expand easily but space grows slowly and droids can be stored quiet easily. So which would be the better fighter and then which is the easiest to maintain?
2. What would be a good deployment stage? Drop pods/Landing craft, setting up a FOB with a teleporting station, conduct offensive/defensive operations? Something of this sort. Maybe even just mass drop podding of soldiers like ODST.
3. Should the fleet operate as a part of the planet and just break off when given orders to go offensive or defensive or be in an orbit/exploration/patrol?

If there is a better place to be asking this nonsense then could someone redirect me elsewhere?

1. Drones for heavy support (UGVs, UAVs), Droids for spamming the shit out of them, and regular soldiers for pilots and manning ships, and if you feel like it, using them as soldiers.

2. Amphibious Assault Ships.

3. ...

But your planet idea is great, unique, but uses a lot of unobbtainium and handwavium. So the hard-sci-fi players won't roleplay with you, but mostly everyone else will.

EDIT: You're probably want to go and consult the FT help thread. http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=270578

[Graditora]

I would just like to point out that there is no way in hell you could create anything even remotely resembling a planet and allow it to break up at all, let alone quickly and easily.

I'm going to stay with the never colonizes another planet scheme so would a mass of fleet ships operating like nomads work?

The closest you could come to it is some sort of Dyson swarm thing where you basically have a huge fleet of ships all tethered together like a space fairing version of a gipsy caravan. So if you are going down that road, just forget any realism.

Do you think the tethering could link for walking to another ship and moving freely about the fleet? But since it's FT I'm really going for slight realism rather then the full spectrum.

[The Akasha Colony]

I wish to start FT RPing and I would like to know what would be the best setup because my nation in the future never really stays on Earth/Homeworld but rather leaves it in a massive wave of self supporting ships that eventually link and create a man made planet that can break down quickly into it's original numerous state and re locate at will. There are only 20 billion people and in comparisons to some of the FT empires on NS. That's very small.

I have multiple questions and would be delighted if anyone could share some insight since I really tried thinking this out and would like a 3rd person party to intervene with some opinion/facts.
1. Should the army be made up of Droids and robots, clones, or be good old fashioned recruitment. The maximum the "planet" can sustain is around 30 million and can expand easily but space grows slowly and droids can be stored quiet easily. So which would be the better fighter and then which is the easiest to maintain?
2. What would be a good deployment stage? Drop pods/Landing craft, setting up a FOB with a teleporting station, conduct offensive/defensive operations? Something of this sort. Maybe even just mass drop podding of soldiers like ODST.
3. Should the fleet operate as a part of the planet and just break off when given orders to go offensive or defensive or be in an orbit/exploration/patrol?

If there is a better place to be asking this nonsense then could someone redirect me elsewhere?

This will entirely depend on your technology level. If you don't have teleporters, you can't have teleporter bases. If you do, you have no need for landing craft.

Likewise, if you can build fully sapient drones, you don't need recruitment. If you cannot, you will. Cloning though is almost certainly going to be less efficient than either mechanism.

[Kouralia]

imma vote samoz

[Graditora]

I wish to start FT RPing and I would like to know what would be the best setup because my nation in the future never really stays on Earth/Homeworld but rather leaves it in a massive wave of self supporting ships that eventually link and create a man made planet that can break down quickly into it's original numerous state and re locate at will. There are only 20 billion people and in comparisons to some of the FT empires on NS. That's very small.

I have multiple questions and would be delighted if anyone could share some insight since I really tried thinking this out and would like a 3rd person party to intervene with some opinion/facts.
1. Should the army be made up of Droids and robots, clones, or be good old fashioned recruitment. The maximum the "planet" can sustain is around 30 million and can expand easily but space grows slowly and droids can be stored quiet easily. So which would be the better fighter and then which is the easiest to maintain?
2. What would be a good deployment stage? Drop pods/Landing craft, setting up a FOB with a teleporting station, conduct offensive/defensive operations? Something of this sort. Maybe even just mass drop podding of soldiers like ODST.
3. Should the fleet operate as a part of the planet and just break off when given orders to go offensive or defensive or be in an orbit/exploration/patrol?

If there is a better place to be asking this nonsense then could someone redirect me elsewhere?

This will entirely depend on your technology level. If you don't have teleporters, you can't have teleporter bases. If you do, you have no need for landing craft.

Likewise, if you can build fully sapient drones, you don't need recruitment. If you cannot, you will. Cloning though is almost certainly going to be less efficient than either mechanism.

They will be within my tech level.

So droids are the best choice and teleporters. Would using the drop pods to protect the teleporter when it first lands be good enough or could the teleporter drop in on it's on and just pour droids out?

[Rich and Corporations]

If you want an automated nuclear equipped bomber to autonomously strike your foes, keeping a fueled B-1 analogue on the runway ready to go at a moment's notice is not the way to do things. Instead consider having the bomber in the air 24/7 propelled by an open-cycle nuclear ramjet. The Aircraft would fly at supersonic speeds, and fly super slow to the ground. Armament consists of a dozen hydrogen bombs and the aircraft's exhaust.

I tried making a supersonic nuclear aircraft... required too big of a reactor, and it also required afterburners.

X-post: Long Range Gun Concept for Naval Ships:

25 cm sabot shell, upon firing, glide wings will be deployed. Use of radio-guidance and inertial-measurement will allow shell to glide and hit the target.
125 km range with base bleed?
CEP: 10 meters

Basically HEFSDS for warships.

[The Corparation]

I wish to start FT RPing and I would like to know what would be the best setup because my nation in the future never really stays on Earth/Homeworld but rather leaves it in a massive wave of self supporting ships that eventually link and create a man made planet that can break down quickly into it's original numerous state and re locate at will. There are only 20 billion people and in comparisons to some of the FT empires on NS. That's very small.

I have multiple questions and would be delighted if anyone could share some insight since I really tried thinking this out and would like a 3rd person party to intervene with some opinion/facts.
1. Should the army be made up of Droids and robots, clones, or be good old fashioned recruitment. The maximum the "planet" can sustain is around 30 million and can expand easily but space grows slowly and droids can be stored quiet easily. So which would be the better fighter and then which is the easiest to maintain?
2. What would be a good deployment stage? Drop pods/Landing craft, setting up a FOB with a teleporting station, conduct offensive/defensive operations? Something of this sort. Maybe even just mass drop podding of soldiers like ODST.
3. Should the fleet operate as a part of the planet and just break off when given orders to go offensive or defensive or be in an orbit/exploration/patrol?

If there is a better place to be asking this nonsense then could someone redirect me elsewhere?

For FT 1-3 really depends on who you're playing with and how you envision your FT military working and what you intend to do with it. Although for 2 I recommend Mobile Infantry style drop pods. Spam Mobile Infantry everywhere.
Look through II, there's an active FT advice threads in there that would be a good resource.

[Vetok]

This will entirely depend on your technology level. If you don't have teleporters, you can't have teleporter bases. If you do, you have no need for landing craft.

Likewise, if you can build fully sapient drones, you don't need recruitment. If you cannot, you will. Cloning though is almost certainly going to be less efficient than either mechanism.

They will be within my tech level.

So droids are the best choice and teleporters. Would using the drop pods to protect the teleporter when it first lands be good enough or could the teleporter drop in on it's on and just pour droids out?

I would recommend you went to the FT Advice and Assistance thread that someone kindly linked to above. We're there to help all FT'ers who need it, and I daresay you'd get better answers then from a thread which is aimed at the MT arena.

[Purpelia]

I'm going to stay with the never colonizes another planet scheme so would a mass of fleet ships operating like nomads work?

Sure. You could make it work just fine. You would have to account for your own food production. And you would probably recycle everything including air and water but it can work. This said, here is something that might inspire you to thought:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Neill_cylinder

Do you think the tethering could link for walking to another ship and moving freely about the fleet? But since it's FT I'm really going for slight realism rather then the full spectrum.

Moving around freely should be easy. Just put a pipe between two ships and walk. The same goes for actually attaching and detaching ships. You just won't ever be able to get a proper planet like thing going. As in, no gravity, atmosphere, weather... you know, the stuff that makes a planet a planet and have a detachable system at the same time. You can either have something that is like the flotilla from Mass Effect but tied together with pipes and cables or a planet that you can't break apart. Since breaking things apart tends to mess with things such as gravity (mass changes) and maintaining an atmosphere. So you have to make each ship self contained,

[Oaledonia]

So, LIDAR. Anti-submarines, and stuff.

[Purpelia]

So, LIDAR. Anti-submarines, and stuff.

For the sake of sanity I pray that those full stops mean a separation of the different things into ideas that are not at all connected.

[Oaledonia]

So, LIDAR. Anti-submarines, and stuff.

For the sake of sanity I pray that those full stops mean a separation of the different things into ideas that are not at all connected.

I don't know, I'm feeling pretty :NS:ified right now.

[Purpelia]

For the sake of sanity I pray that those full stops mean a separation of the different things into ideas that are not at all connected.

I don't know, I'm feeling pretty :NS:ified right now.

Supercharge the LIDAR to make a laser beam and boil the seas away. Than approach the submarines on foot and knock on the hatches with a wrench.

[Oaledonia]

I don't know, I'm feeling pretty :NS:ified right now.

Supercharge the LIDAR to make a laser beam and boil the seas away. Than approach the submarines on foot and knock on the hatches with a wrench.

Wrench.... that fires ATGMs.... Then it's hardcore enough.