NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #4

[Oaledonia]

payload bay?

Yes.

[Rich and Corporations]

payload bay?

Yes.

http://www.history.navy.mil/planes/ch53.htm
Google yielded that.

The Sea Stallion's cargo/troop compartment measures 30 feet long by 7'/2 feet wide and 6'/2 feet high and has a rear door and loading ramp. To facilitate cargo handling, a remotely controlled winch is located at the forward end of the compartment. There is space for a jeep with trailer, a 105mm howitzer or a Hawk missile system. If passengers are carried, 38 combat-equipped troops or 24 litter patients can be accommodated.

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How realistic is this doctrine?

It is the duty of the General Staff to anticipate the requirements of the political leadership while communicating the limitations of proposed measures, while possessing unwavering obedience to the future of the nation.
Warfare is the ultimate culmination of the unending Darwinist struggle between cultures. All cultures are fundamentally a social subspecies of Homo Sapiens Sapiens. Each culture attempts to assert dominance in competition for the scarce human and material resources of the world through memetic and violent processes reaching a dynamic multiple equilibria in social forces altered in relation from developments creating shocks to the fundamental rates and balances of interaction. These evolving circumstances necessitate continual reassessments of objective aims through the anarchic nature of global affairs.
If interactions converge towards violence, the political leadership may move to war. A total war demands a total victory, which requires the total annihilation of the enemy culture in the five dimensions of it's existence, altitude, width, depth, time, and civilization. All dimensions are also limited resources which much be utilized efficiently and engaged simultaneously to achieve the victory desired by the political leadership.
Altitude, width, and depth are dimensions of a spatial nature. Time and civilization are manifested in many forms; history, technology, society, etc. Non-spatial dimensions are a deciding factor in conflicts between cultures, as it is those dimensions that contribute form to a culture and allows it to be more then cavemen in a circle jerk. Examples of cultures unbalanced in a non-spatial dimension usually results in achieving equilibrium through annihilation of the weaker culture, as evidenced so often in the Early Modern period of first contacts between guns and spears.
WMD versus guns will result in dominance of one nation but this is unwise. The existence of nuclear weapons would allow cultures to engage each other in all five dimensions, however it would be too cost efficient and would result in neither culture with the capacity to usurp the other in world affairs due to the destruction of them in cohabited dimensions and a “permanent spiral away from a desired equilibrium as a result of a domino cascade of intervention.” A potentially dangerous situation in a low-magnetism nonpolar world.
This leaves “conventional” warfare, limited to steel, lead, and explosives as so used for many centuries.
The concepts of conventional warfare is simple, combat power density along a front. Combat power must be double then the opponent for offensive operations to proceed. However the front no longer encompasses one straight line in these dimensions, as experienced in the First World War, one must conduct combat in depth, what is efficient in combat density along a simple front would become inefficient in a five-dimensional front line.
While assaults, breakthroughs, and even attritions in five-dimensions are difficult to imagine, they are a key aspect of Corporate Confederate military theory. Limiting ourselves to the three-dimensions in order to concisely describe military operational stratagem, the operational art comprises envelopment through the use of shock forces disrupting the enemy line followed by a mass of regulars to seize immediate territorial objectives to further political objectives. Shock forces must be five percentile points superior in aptitude to make best use of technologically advanced military equipment to accomplish their objectives. The range and ability of shock forces is extended through the use of regular forces conducting recce in force due to natural limits to sensors (machine or eye).
No modern war has been won without the engagement of all five-dimensions. The Kuwait War's initial phases consisted of coalition air bombing Iraqi positions in the hope of forcing the accomplishment of political objectives through minimal casualties. This is a foolhardy process, as demonstrated in the surprise Iraqi attack on Khafji. Each dimension acts as a pillar in which a culture is supported, suspended, and exists within.
Any truly transformative reform must also reform the process in which a military engages those five dimensions. Singular focus on one aspect of one dimension will yield only failure, as technology of civilization alone will win battles but not wars. The oft labeled "blitzkrieg" wasn't a utilization of just new technology, but the incorporation of the technology through use in all dimensions. Thus "transformation" as a doctrine is empty. Additionally revolutions in military affairs are applied not by incumbent states but by marginalized actors.

[Cote dSoleil]

What type of [conventional] pre-shelling would be used to soften an airbase prior to an attempted capture + repurpose? MRLS with fragmentation submunitions for minimal damage to the runway(s), and tactical missiles for anything hardened?

What type of equipment would then be used to comb for UXO?

and if anyone knows of any specific battles I can save for a reference that'd be <3

[The Kievan People]

What type of [conventional] pre-shelling would be used to soften an airbase prior to an attempted capture + repurpose? MRLS with fragmentation submunitions for minimal damage to the runway(s), and tactical missiles for anything hardened?

What type of equipment would then be used to comb for UXO?

and if anyone knows of any specific battles I can save for a reference that'd be <3

Use normal weapons.

Craters are relatively easy to repair.

[Mostrov]

Thinking on armoured doctrines and the NS supertanks, would it instead be more efficient to make a cost effective tank that is only armoured to deal with MANPADS and deal with supertanks with a combination of MANPADS, artillery and airsupport. Or is armour essential in counteracting enemy (NS Grade) armor? After all it would save substantially on logistics.

I was inspired about the israeli upgrades of the M4 Sherman, and I wonder what would be the simplest tank that could have something similar done to it and remain competitive against infantry.

[Rich and Corporations]

Thinking on armoured doctrines and the NS supertanks, would it instead be more efficient to make a cost effective tank that is only armoured to deal with MANPADS and deal with supertanks with a combination of MANPADS, artillery and airsupport. Or is armour essential in counteracting enemy (NS Grade) armor? After all it would save substantially on logistics.

I was inspired about the israeli upgrades of the M4 Sherman, and I wonder what would be the simplest tank that could have something similar done to it and remain competitive against infantry.

If you top-attack a tank with napalm, you'll easily kill it by igniting the engine compartment.

You are thinking right.

The simplest tank would probably be the T-55 with duplet anti-tandem charge ERA.

[Triplebaconation]

What percentage of your defense budget goes to taxi fare?

What do you mean by that?

It means your "beeline" strategy needs either a countryside so undefended that you might as well take taxis between cities or more emphasis on armor, not less.

Your strategy isn't based on urban combat at all.

[Dostanuot Loj]

Thinking on armoured doctrines and the NS supertanks, would it instead be more efficient to make a cost effective tank that is only armoured to deal with MANPADS and deal with supertanks with a combination of MANPADS, artillery and airsupport. Or is armour essential in counteracting enemy (NS Grade) armor? After all it would save substantially on logistics.

I was inspired about the israeli upgrades of the M4 Sherman, and I wonder what would be the simplest tank that could have something similar done to it and remain competitive against infantry.

If you're really only concerned with MANPADS and rifle protection, you could get away with a Renault FT.

Although you might not want to use MANPADS for the anti-tank role yourself. But that's your call.

[Imperializt Russia]

I'm going to assume he means MANPAT.
Or is confusing MANPAD with ADATS.

[Kouralia]

This section explains the role of the Army Reserve (formerly known as the Territorial Army) and how it fits within the greater British Army organisation.

May we have a moment's silence for the loss of an old friend...

[Imperializt Russia]

noooooooooooooooooooo

Damned Commieservatives.

[The Corparation]

Thinking on armoured doctrines and the NS supertanks, would it instead be more efficient to make a cost effective tank that is only armoured to deal with MANPADS and deal with supertanks with a combination of MANPADS, artillery and airsupport. Or is armour essential in counteracting enemy (NS Grade) armor? After all it would save substantially on logistics.

I was inspired about the israeli upgrades of the M4 Sherman, and I wonder what would be the simplest tank that could have something similar done to it and remain competitive against infantry.

If you're really only concerned with MANPADS and rifle protection, you could get away with a Renault FT.

Although you might not want to use MANPADS for the anti-tank role yourself. But that's your call.

I disagree MANPADS would make great AT weapons if you're Facing Aerogavins.

[Mostrov]

I'm going to assume he means MANPAT.
Or is confusing MANPAD with ADATS.

I did mean MANPAT, slip of the mind.

[The Kievan People]

The largest man-portable anti-tank weapons can penetrate ~1000mm RHA. With modern ERA you can basically halve the penetrating power of a tandem charge, implying you need base armor equivalent to ~500mm RHA to protect from RPGs.

Even if you restrict protection to the front, this implies a relatively large vehicle. Over 40 tonnes for sure.

[Ea90]

I wonder if I could take a 140mm ETC gun and slap it onto a BMP to make a modern super hetzer...

If you don't mind the vehicle doing a somersault any time the gun is fired, sure!

[Rich and Corporations]

I wonder if I could take a 140mm ETC gun and slap it onto a BMP to make a modern super hetzer...

If you don't mind the vehicle doing a somersault any time the gun is fired, sure!

Put the transmission into neutral. Use rolling resistance as recoil length.

[Immoren]

I wonder if I could take a 140mm ETC gun and slap it onto a BMP to make a modern super hetzer...

If you don't mind the vehicle doing a somersault any time the gun is fired, sure!

Obviously that's method of escape.

[Lacadie]

If you don't mind the vehicle doing a somersault any time the gun is fired, sure!

Put the transmission into neutral. Use rolling resistance as recoil length.

Use regenerative brakes. The recoil helps recharge the capacitors.

[Purpelia]

That's not a bug, it's a feature. The idea is that as the gun fires the vehicle is propelled back at sufficient speed to evade any counter fire should it not make the first shot.

[The Kievan People]

You will not escape the beaten zone that easily.

[Purpelia]

18MJ worth of force (14cm ETC estimate) applied to an object roughly 18'000 kg (13'200 kg + 5'000 worth of gun and ammo [my estimate]) gives us roughly 45 m/s. Now I am not 100% certain about this next part. But I do believe that with a proper wing setup this would cause my little hetzer to take flight adding to its defensive ability.

[Rich and Corporations]

18MJ worth of force (14cm ETC estimate) applied to an object roughly 18'000 kg (13'200 kg + 5'000 worth of gun and ammo [my estimate]) gives us roughly 45 m/s. Now I am not 100% certain about this next part. But I do believe that with a proper wing setup this would cause my little hetzer to take flight adding to its defensive ability.

Instead of a BMP, you need to use a M113.

[Purpelia]

18MJ worth of force (14cm ETC estimate) applied to an object roughly 18'000 kg (13'200 kg + 5'000 worth of gun and ammo [my estimate]) gives us roughly 45 m/s. Now I am not 100% certain about this next part. But I do believe that with a proper wing setup this would cause my little hetzer to take flight adding to its defensive ability.

Instead of a BMP, you need to use a M113.

The profile is too high. It puts the center of balance higher thus makes takeoff less likely. The BMP meanwhile is nice and flat giving it a more streamlined shape. Thus it is superior as a projectile, which is what this setup really is. An M113 would be superior in case of powered flight as it allows more room for fuel. But not in this case.

[The Kievan People]

18MJ worth of force (14cm ETC estimate) applied to an object roughly 18'000 kg (13'200 kg + 5'000 worth of gun and ammo [my estimate]) gives us roughly 45 m/s. Now I am not 100% certain about this next part. But I do believe that with a proper wing setup this would cause my little hetzer to take flight adding to its defensive ability.

If an APFSDS is traveling 1500m/s it drops one meter every 153 meters. A BMP-2 is 2.45 meters high. To completely escape the beaten zone it would need to roll something like 400 meters backwards.

[Purpelia]

18MJ worth of force (14cm ETC estimate) applied to an object roughly 18'000 kg (13'200 kg + 5'000 worth of gun and ammo [my estimate]) gives us roughly 45 m/s. Now I am not 100% certain about this next part. But I do believe that with a proper wing setup this would cause my little hetzer to take flight adding to its defensive ability.

If an APFSDS is traveling 1500m/s it drops one meter every 153 meters. A BMP-2 is 2.45 meters high. To completely escape the beaten zone it would need to roll something like 400 meters backwards.

400m at 45 m/s gives me ~9 seconds of flight. I think the impulse of the gun might actually allow for that. So the only issue is giving my self 9 seconds of head start between firing and being fired upon. Which is possible...