NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #4

[New Vihenia]

Would the Aster family of missiles still be useful in a PMT setting?

what kind of air threat you're facing in PMT ?

Hmm nonetheless.. Aster is nice 100 km range class SAM's with over 60G's maneuverability and TVC. It can pretty much deal with pretty much any air threat.

[Oaledonia]

Why are BMPs so adorable? Serious question, is a Linebacker good to attach to a MANPADs platoon?

[Immoren]

Why are BMPs so adorable? Serious question, is a Linebacker good to attach to a MANPADs platoon?

What level on organization?

[New Tyran]

Would the Aster family of missiles still be useful in a PMT setting?

what kind of air threat you're facing in PMT ?

Hmm nonetheless.. Aster is nice 100 km range class SAM's with over 60G's maneuverability and TVC. It can pretty much deal with pretty much any air threat.

Probably pieces of technology like the Northrop Grumman X-47B and other similar stealth drones. Not sure... advanced aerial drones is what I normally expect to encounter in a PMT war.

[New Vihenia]

Probably pieces of technology like the Northrop Grumman X-47B and other similar stealth drones. Not sure... advanced aerial drones is what I normally expect to encounter in a PMT war.

Well it's the problem of the fire control radar, not the missile. the Aster missile itself is still adequate for intercepting those UCAV's.

The challenge lies in their detection and engagement. The Arabel radar or Sampson (that one onboard Daring class) may need to emit more power or having larger antenna to detect those UCAV's (Assuming multifucntion operation as what they are now) Otherwise a separate search radar operating in longer wavelength may be required.

[Gallia-]

Why are BMPs so adorable? Serious question, is a Linebacker good to attach to a MANPADs platoon?

Linebacker was part of air defence battalions for Heavy (tank or mechanised infantry) divisions. It was supposed to be a replacement for a Roland/Crotale or ADATS. So probably not.

You should just have a HMMWV or XR311 with Stinger missiles in the back for a MANPADS platoon.

You really shouldn't use Linebacker at all if you can help it.

[Oaledonia]

Why are BMPs so adorable? Serious question, is a Linebacker good to attach to a MANPADs platoon?

Linebacker was part of air defence battalions for Heavy (tank or mechanised infantry) divisions. It was supposed to be a replacement for a Roland/Crotale or ADATS. So probably not.

You should just have a HMMWV or XR311 with Stinger missiles in the back for a MANPADS platoon.

You really shouldn't use Linebacker at all if you can help it.

What about the chassis with an avenger turret?

[The Akasha Colony]

Linebacker was part of air defence battalions for Heavy (tank or mechanised infantry) divisions. It was supposed to be a replacement for a Roland/Crotale or ADATS. So probably not.

You should just have a HMMWV or XR311 with Stinger missiles in the back for a MANPADS platoon.

You really shouldn't use Linebacker at all if you can help it.

What about the chassis with an avenger turret?

Which fires the same missiles and is less useful in general-purpose ground combat, while not significantly reducing the weight or cost since you still have a big turreted IFV chassis.

[Inyourfaceistan]

Does anyone know what speed an LRASM-A flies at? I cant find anything other than "sub-sonic"

[Krazakistan]

Why are BMPs so adorable?

YOU SEE THAT SHIT? ITS FUCKING COOL AINT IT? YOU GOT A MOTHAFUCKIN 30MM AUTOCANON! YOU GOT A FUCKING AGL! YOU GOT FUCKING ATGMS! FOUR FUCKING ATGMS! DID I MENTION THE COAXIAL 7.62MM MG?

PLUS YOU CAN SLAP ERA ON THAT BEAUTIFUL MOTHERFUCKER!

[Oaledonia]

What about the chassis with an avenger turret?

Which fires the same missiles and is less useful in general-purpose ground combat, while not significantly reducing the weight or cost since you still have a big turreted IFV chassis.

Hmmm.... Something tells me I'll need to design something myself...

[Purpelia]

I wonder if I could take a 140mm ETC gun and slap it onto a BMP to make a modern super hetzer...

[Oaledonia]

I wonder if I could take a 140mm ETC gun and slap it onto a BMP to make a modern super hetzer...

It will bring smiles to the children everywhere

[Novorden]

As a small nation with a limited military budget, could the L118 light gun pull double duty as a direct fire antitank gun?

[Kouralia]

As a small nation with a limited military budget, could the L118 light gun pull double duty as a direct fire antitank gun?

I imagine so. Or make up a 120mm version, and use that with things like the STAFF.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

As a small nation with a limited military budget, could the L118 light gun pull double duty as a direct fire antitank gun?

Dat 9K111 Fagot. If Syria and Egypt and Afghanistan afforded them in the seventies, you can afford them too.

[Novorden]

As a small nation with a limited military budget, could the L118 light gun pull double duty as a direct fire antitank gun?

Dat 9K111 Fagot. If Syria and Egypt and Afghanistan afforded them in the seventies, you can afford them too.

Due to our geopolitical position we prefer not to buy soviet weapons.

And it's not a case of not being able to afford ATGMs, it's seeing if the equipment we already have can have a secondary function, thus saving money.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Dat 9K111 Fagot. If Syria and Egypt and Afghanistan afforded them in the seventies, you can afford them too.

Due to our geopolitical position we prefer not to buy soviet weapons.

And it's not a case of not being able to afford ATGMs, it's seeing if the equipment we already have can have a secondary function, thus saving money.

If your L118 battery is facing tanks, shit has gone terribly wrong somewhere along the line or your line infantry have all routed leaving your long range (20 km) artillery to fend for themselves. Also Argies and Somalis have this.
Edit: RB is that you?

[Novorden]

Due to our geopolitical position we prefer not to buy soviet weapons.

And it's not a case of not being able to afford ATGMs, it's seeing if the equipment we already have can have a secondary function, thus saving money.

If your L118 battery is facing tanks, shit has gone terribly wrong somewhere along the line or your line infantry have all routed leaving your long range (20 km) artillery to fend for themselves. Also Argies and Somalis have this.
Edit: RB is that you?

Nien ,maybe a little bit

[Purpelia]

What follows here is a short text about the composition of the Greater Purpelian Army as it was in the period between 1905 and 1914. I need you people to take a look at the text carefully and judge it based on historical accuracy (within reason), sanity and practicality.

The Greater Purpelian Army as it existed following its foundation in the second half of the 19th century is a centralized national army composed of forces stemming from all corners of Purpelia. As a part of its foundation the old regimental system as used by the individual duchies has been abandoned and replaced by a new integrated battalion organization. The battalions are all standardized in both manpower, training and equipment and thus two battalions of the same type are completely interchangeable.

The GPA is composed of four independent and equally valuable organizational structures. These are the infantry, cavalry, river navy and air fleet.

The largest of all the organizational structures accounting for a large majority of the personnel and equipment Purpelian armed forces is the infantry. Unlike what it's name would suggest the infantry force contains not only fighting men but its own independent supply and support infrastructure and artillery forces.

The second largest formation in the Purpelian army, accounting for but a fraction of its strength and a disproportionate amount of prestige is the national cavalry. The cavalry now rarely fights mounted preferring to act as dragoons, utilizing the mobility provided by their horses to advance rapidly on the enemy before dismounting a safe distance from the front lines and proceeding to the battle area on foot. However the troops are still equipped and drilled for traditional mounted combat and charging. Analogous to the infantry the cavalry too has its own independent supply and support chain and its own independent artillery forces. These two parallel structures do not communicate.

The river navy is a relatively small but well equipped segment of the Purpelian armed forces. It's primary purpose is to police and secure the vast and complex river and canal network during times of both peace and war as well as harass and prevent enemy river crossings, support friendly river crossing operations and other miscellaneous naval actions. To this effect it is equipped with a number of large and small patrol boats as well as a limited number of huge river monitors which provide a source of high caliber mobile artillery.

The smallest and perhaps strangest segment of the Purpelian armed forces is the air fleet. Founded from the various balloon forces which existed in Purpelia since the 18th century the air fleet represents a small and dedicated national balloon force whose not so secret reason for existence is to keep aerial recognizance out of the usual duplication and inter service rivalry inherent to the infantry and cavalry forces. The balloon forces rarely operate independently preferring to instead detach their units to army commanders in either of the two. However the air fleet high command retains at all time complete executive control over its units. The air fleet is equipped primarily with balloons of various types and sizes and used primarily for defensive recognizance and artillery designation. However in the recent years decades it has acquired a small number of non static airships and even Lord Falkes "fliers" which provide interesting prospects for the future development of the observation capabilities of our forces.

[Cote dSoleil]

Does anyone have any information on this

As a small nation with a limited military budget, could the L118 light gun pull double duty as a direct fire antitank gun?

There are HESH rounds for it, so I would imagine it could be for emergency uses.

[Connori Pilgrims]

What follows here is a short text about the composition of the Greater Purpelian Army as it was in the period between 1905 and 1914. I need you people to take a look at the text carefully and judge it based on historical accuracy (within reason), sanity and practicality.

The Greater Purpelian Army as it existed following its foundation in the second half of the 19th century is a centralized national army composed of forces stemming from all corners of Purpelia. As a part of its foundation the old regimental system as used by the individual duchies has been abandoned and replaced by a new integrated battalion organization. The battalions are all standardized in both manpower, training and equipment and thus two battalions of the same type are completely interchangeable.

The GPA is composed of four independent and equally valuable organizational structures. These are the infantry, cavalry, river navy and air fleet.

The largest of all the organizational structures accounting for a large majority of the personnel and equipment Purpelian armed forces is the infantry. Unlike what it's name would suggest the infantry force contains not only fighting men but its own independent supply and support infrastructure and artillery forces.

The second largest formation in the Purpelian army, accounting for but a fraction of its strength and a disproportionate amount of prestige is the national cavalry. The cavalry now rarely fights mounted preferring to act as dragoons, utilizing the mobility provided by their horses to advance rapidly on the enemy before dismounting a safe distance from the front lines and proceeding to the battle area on foot. However the troops are still equipped and drilled for traditional mounted combat and charging. Analogous to the infantry the cavalry too has its own independent supply and support chain and its own independent artillery forces. These two parallel structures do not communicate.

The river navy is a relatively small but well equipped segment of the Purpelian armed forces. It's primary purpose is to police and secure the vast and complex river and canal network during times of both peace and war as well as harass and prevent enemy river crossings, support friendly river crossing operations and other miscellaneous naval actions. To this effect it is equipped with a number of large and small patrol boats as well as a limited number of huge river monitors which provide a source of high caliber mobile artillery.

The smallest and perhaps strangest segment of the Purpelian armed forces is the air fleet. Founded from the various balloon forces which existed in Purpelia since the 18th century the air fleet represents a small and dedicated national balloon force whose not so secret reason for existence is to keep aerial recognizance out of the usual duplication and inter service rivalry inherent to the infantry and cavalry forces. The balloon forces rarely operate independently preferring to instead detach their units to army commanders in either of the two. However the air fleet high command retains at all time complete executive control over its units. The air fleet is equipped primarily with balloons of various types and sizes and used primarily for defensive recognizance and artillery designation. However in the recent years decades it has acquired a small number of non static airships and even Lord Falkes "fliers" which provide interesting prospects for the future development of the observation capabilities of our forces.

For the first decade of the 20th Century this army doesn't look particularly crazy; the air fleet looks a bit understrength (still relying mainly on balloons???) but is probably par for the course.

The artillery is not independent? IIRC they normally were (famous example being the Royal Artillery), with batteries just being seconded to the Infantry or Cavalry as needed. They'll definitely need to be independent once the bigger pieces (the ones that IRL get sent to Division or Corps level and above) exist.

[The Corparation]

For the first decade of the 20th Century this army doesn't look particularly crazy; the air fleet looks a bit understrength (still relying mainly on balloons???) but is probably par for the course.

Purp's laying out stuff Pre-WWI, Observation balloons were used since before the US Civil war, and by WWI almost everyone was using them. I'd say that in the early phases of WWI the most important aircraft in use were the balloons. The only thing I see that's odd about his aircraft is that they're operated under an independent service branch. Which makes sense, but it wasn't really something you'd have seen done in that era, even the RAF wasn't formed as an independent branch until after WWI.

[Oaledonia]

Does anybody know the clearance of a CH-53e's bay?

[Dewhurst-Narculis]

payload bay?