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Imperializt Russia
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:58 pm

Remember the BMPT isn't meant to support infantry, it's meant to support tanks.
That's why it's bristling with ATGMs and high-angle autocannons.
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Postby Inyourfaceistan » Mon Dec 02, 2013 5:46 pm

Does anybody know the exact counter-counter measures planned to be fitted to the LRASM-A


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Postby Krazakistan » Mon Dec 02, 2013 5:49 pm

Anti-Tank Battalion:

  • Battalion Headquarters
    • Headquarters Staff: CO, SIC, SNCO, 4 Pvt + BTR-80AK
    • Command Platoon
      • Platoon Headquarters: CO, SIC, NCO, 4 staff + BTR-80AK
      • Recon Section Section: 1 NCO, 4 Pvt + BRDM-3
      • Command Section: 1 NCO, 2 Pvt, + 1 K1Sh1
      • Signal Section: NCO, 4 Pvt + R-149BMR

  • Tank Destroyer Battery
    • Battery Headquarters: CO, 2 NCO + T-72AK1
    • 3 Tank Destroyer Platoons
      • 3 Tank Destroyers (NCO, 2 Pvts + 2S25 Sprut-SD)

  • ATGM Battery
    • Battery Headquarters: CO, SIC, SNCO, 3 Pvt + BTR-80AK
    • 3 ATGM Platoons
      • Platoon Headquarters: CO, SIC, NCO + BTR-82
      • 3 ATGM Sections: NCO, 6 Pvts + BTR-82 + 3 ATGMs

  • Support Platoon
    • Headquarters: CO, SIC, NCO + utility vehicle
    • Maintenance Section: NCO, 3 Pvt + truck
    • Recovery Section: NCO, 2 Pvt + BREM-1M
    • Truck Section: NCO, 6 Pvt + 7 trucks with trailers
    • Truck Section (POL): NCO, 6 Pvt + 7 trucks with trailers
    • Field Feeding Section: NCO, 4 Pvt + truck with trailer
    • Medical Post: NCO, 2 Pvt + utility vehicle

  • Signals Platoon
    • Command Section: CO, SIC, NCO + BTR-80AK
    • Staff Section: NCO, 3 Pvt + BTR-80AK
    • Signals Section: NCO, 4 Pvt + R-149BMR


So does it all seem good? Anything I should add or subtract?
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The Kievan People
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Postby The Kievan People » Mon Dec 02, 2013 5:49 pm

Inyourfaceistan wrote:Does anybody know the exact counter-counter measures planned to be fitted to the LRASM-A


What do you mean?

It has an imaging infrared seeker and is inherently immune to jamming.
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Postby Inyourfaceistan » Mon Dec 02, 2013 5:52 pm

The Kievan People wrote:
Inyourfaceistan wrote:Does anybody know the exact counter-counter measures planned to be fitted to the LRASM-A


What do you mean?

It has an imaging infrared seeker and is inherently immune to jamming.


http://defense-update.com/features/2010 ... lrasm.html

It says here it has "advanced counter-counter measures" to evade enemy air defense?

Does this apply to interceptor missiles or is it only jamming proof?

More pertinent to my situation, could it evade a 9M38(?) Buk missile?


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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon Dec 02, 2013 5:52 pm

The Kievan People wrote:
Inyourfaceistan wrote:Does anybody know the exact counter-counter measures planned to be fitted to the LRASM-A


What do you mean?

It has an imaging infrared seeker and is inherently immune to jamming.

How so?
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Postby The Kievan People » Mon Dec 02, 2013 5:57 pm

:eyebrow:

Because the only way to prevent the seeker from homing is to destroy it or to obscure the target completely.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon Dec 02, 2013 6:00 pm

So would an infra-red emitter not be able to confuse it?
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Postby Lydenburg » Mon Dec 02, 2013 6:25 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:Remember the BMPT isn't meant to support infantry, it's meant to support tanks.
That's why it's bristling with ATGMs and high-angle autocannons.


I use my all my IFVs to support tanks, anyroad. It's sort of like this:

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Grey is tanks. Dark Grey is heavy mortar carriers. Black is IFVs, which follow behind tanks and mop up the lighter OPFOR elements (ie LAVs, unprotected infantry, etc).

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Postby Dragomere » Mon Dec 02, 2013 6:52 pm

Please comment on my military

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Postby Rich and Corporations » Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:03 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:So would an infra-red emitter not be able to confuse it?

Tanks are infrared emitters though. Much bigger ones then a small infra-red emitter.
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Postby The Akasha Colony » Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:41 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:So would an infra-red emitter not be able to confuse it?


DIRCM presumably falls into the category of 'obscuring the target completely' if it's strong enough to completely cover the sensor.
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Postby The Kievan People » Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:45 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:So would an infra-red emitter not be able to confuse it?


No.

If you dazzle it, it can easily home on the dazzler.
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Postby Dewhurst-Narculis » Mon Dec 02, 2013 8:01 pm

Dragomere wrote:Please comment on my military

Link to Factbook

Use this link and not my factbook available on my nation page (as I no longer use that one).

PS: my nation is PMT



Definitely scale back everything (equipment wise), you don't have the funds to support that navy for instance, by far, let alone 36 orbiting death emitting satellites, especially with only 250,000 logistics crew who work on just tanks and artillery
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Postby Triplebaconation » Mon Dec 02, 2013 8:05 pm

Nevertheless ECCM is an important part of the LRASM project, although the article is probably conflating it and ESM.
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Postby The Corparation » Mon Dec 02, 2013 8:09 pm

Dewhurst-Narculis wrote:
Dragomere wrote:Please comment on my military

Link to Factbook

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Definitely scale back everything (equipment wise), you don't have the funds to support that navy for instance, by far, let alone 36 orbiting death emitting satellites, especially with only 250,000 logistics crew who work on just tanks and artillery

The person you quoted is on my ignore list, but sadly someone quoting them allows me to see them. I am going to give you a word of advice. Nothing you say or do will ever change that user's beliefs. All you're going to do is end up yelling at a brick wall, dragging sources up or doing math which will be promptly ignored. It's not worth the effort.
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Postby Dewhurst-Narculis » Mon Dec 02, 2013 8:12 pm

The Corparation wrote:
Dewhurst-Narculis wrote:

Definitely scale back everything (equipment wise), you don't have the funds to support that navy for instance, by far, let alone 36 orbiting death emitting satellites, especially with only 250,000 logistics crew who work on just tanks and artillery

The person you quoted is on my ignore list, but sadly someone quoting them allows me to see them. I am going to give you a word of advice. Nothing you say or do will ever change that user's beliefs. All you're going to do is end up yelling at a brick wall, dragging sources up or doing math which will be promptly ignored. It's not worth the effort.

Noted, sadly realism these days on NS has slid
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Postby Inyourfaceistan » Mon Dec 02, 2013 8:26 pm

Triplebaconation wrote:Nevertheless ECCM is an important part of the LRASM project, although the article is probably conflating it and ESM.


So against a naval version of the 9M38 it's safe to bet on the LRASM, right?


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Postby Primordial Luxa » Mon Dec 02, 2013 10:07 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:Remember the BMPT isn't meant to support infantry, it's meant to support tanks.
That's why it's bristling with ATGMs and high-angle autocannons.


It isnt meant to but dose it really diminish its abilities if i do?
What would be a better urban IFV?

I have found that it works well in the battles ive used it in where it dealt with armor that basic rifle squads cant. Normally I have one move with three infantry squads in APC's with it in front to deal with major threats while the troops can pile out an sweep buildings or take objectives as needed.
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Postby Triplebaconation » Mon Dec 02, 2013 10:23 pm

Primordial Luxa wrote:
Immoren wrote:Perhaps terrain he fights in makes taking advantage of larger tank formations harder.
Or His forces play with lot of tiny beestings, so tanks are in combined arms battalions.
Or just need for generic flexibility over brute force.


A mixture of all of those actually.
I rarely fight outside of large urban cities as most all of my war involve invading major coastal cities and then making a bee line for the capitol. I rarely have the maneuverability or space for many tanks.

When I say IFV think BMPT.
The Idea is that the combined arms battalion would be the main attack force with a support battalion and two motorized infantry battalions.

The Assault Squads are urban combat specialist. They dont differ too much from my riflemen except for some extra training and armor.


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Postby Primordial Luxa » Mon Dec 02, 2013 10:32 pm

Triplebaconation wrote:
Primordial Luxa wrote:
A mixture of all of those actually.
I rarely fight outside of large urban cities as most all of my war involve invading major coastal cities and then making a bee line for the capitol. I rarely have the maneuverability or space for many tanks.

When I say IFV think BMPT.
The Idea is that the combined arms battalion would be the main attack force with a support battalion and two motorized infantry battalions.

The Assault Squads are urban combat specialist. They dont differ too much from my riflemen except for some extra training and armor.


What percentage of your defense budget goes to taxi fare?


What do you mean by that?
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Mon Dec 02, 2013 11:41 pm

The Corparation wrote:
Dewhurst-Narculis wrote:
Definitely scale back everything (equipment wise), you don't have the funds to support that navy for instance, by far, let alone 36 orbiting death emitting satellites, especially with only 250,000 logistics crew who work on just tanks and artillery

The person you quoted is on my ignore list, but sadly someone quoting them allows me to see them. I am going to give you a word of advice. Nothing you say or do will ever change that user's beliefs. All you're going to do is end up yelling at a brick wall, dragging sources up or doing math which will be promptly ignored. It's not worth the effort.


^ QFT. Don't waste your time on trying to help him.

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Postby Dragomere » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:37 am

The Corparation wrote:
Dewhurst-Narculis wrote:

Definitely scale back everything (equipment wise), you don't have the funds to support that navy for instance, by far, let alone 36 orbiting death emitting satellites, especially with only 250,000 logistics crew who work on just tanks and artillery

The person you quoted is on my ignore list, but sadly someone quoting them allows me to see them. I am going to give you a word of advice. Nothing you say or do will ever change that user's beliefs. All you're going to do is end up yelling at a brick wall, dragging sources up or doing math which will be promptly ignored. It's not worth the effort.

You know that is the biggest lie in history since bush said that Iraq had WMDs.

PS: I listen to all advise.

FYI: For the logistics crew, I was only counting the part that is actually involved in active duty (can be deployed to a war front); though You do have a point that the number is small.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:43 am

I found the CRV7, all your heavy tanks are now obsolete.

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Postby New Tyran » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:43 am

Would the Aster family of missiles still be useful in a PMT setting?

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