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Postby Questers » Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:09 am

JGscale gtfo
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Postby Kouralia » Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:14 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:There is a scale and unless someone corrects me, I believe it's 25px to the metre.

1m=36px

Questers wrote:JGscale gtfo

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I'm thinking of using a magnesium transmission with my advanced powerpack concept (this would reduce weight of the transmission by 20 to 40 percent), and reducing the gearing to two forward and one backward (which might reduce the weight by an additional 10 percent), while doubling the size of the power split electric motor and doubling the output of the turbocompound generator to 200 kw.
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Postby Questers » Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:43 am

drawing tank engines is fcking hard. luckily i have a lot of space

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thanks to galla for the supine crewman.
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Postby Questers » Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:13 am

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:14 am

Does the hull seem undersized to you, or is that just the effect of big gun being big?
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Postby Questers » Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:19 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:Does the hull seem undersized to you, or is that just the effect of big gun being big?
It is going to have in-arm suspension. The hull is a bit disproportionate, length-wise to height, though, if that's what you're suggesting.
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Questers wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Does the hull seem undersized to you, or is that just the effect of big gun being big?
It is going to have in-arm suspension. The hull is a bit disproportionate, length-wise to height, though, if that's what you're suggesting.

Yes.

Obviously, it's missing wheels suspension and tracks but it still looks low.
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Postby Questers » Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:20 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Questers wrote: It is going to have in-arm suspension. The hull is a bit disproportionate, length-wise to height, though, if that's what you're suggesting.

Yes.

Obviously, it's missing wheels suspension and tracks but it still looks low.
It's not smaller than any of my other AFVs. Now, the main problem is that the turret is fucking giant but you can put a 152 on a T-80 chassis why not one of these chassis. So fuck it. I think it's sound—but it may look silly when its done, I'm not sure.
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Postby Republica Newland » Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:32 am

Questers wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Yes.

Obviously, it's missing wheels suspension and tracks but it still looks low.
It's not smaller than any of my other AFVs. Now, the main problem is that the turret is fucking giant but you can put a 152 on a T-80 chassis why not one of these chassis. So fuck it. I think it's sound—but it may look silly when its done, I'm not sure.


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Postby New Tsavon » Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:32 am

Questers wrote:JGscale gtfo

Nyet.

JG scale is an alright scale.
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Postby Republica Newland » Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:36 am

New Tsavon wrote:
Questers wrote:JGscale gtfo

Nyet.

JG scale is an alright scale.


So is anyone interested in seeing my new small penis pickup? I doubt it has much military usefulness but eh

Reminds me of..

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Postby Immoren » Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:38 am

Would specialized mg units larger than mg platoon make sense in modern context?
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Postby Republica Newland » Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:58 am

Immoren wrote:Would specialized mg units larger than mg platoon make sense in modern context?


By MG units I suppose you refer to those 2 or 3-manned HMGs that they move around? I don't really think so.. The next step up from the platoon would mean a full company which I don't think would make sense unless you'd have something like a long fortified line to defend.. but even then that sounds kind of trench warfare-ish so I don't think it would make sense in a modern context. you could get away with it if you placed it in a specialized defensive formation tho
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Postby Republica Newland » Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:34 am

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Postby East Vlaricstan » Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:39 am

Republica Newland wrote:behold

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I bet all the douchebags would buy it.

I have a question - should I replace HMGs with 7.62mm Gatling guns?
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:41 am

East Vlaricstan wrote:
Republica Newland wrote:behold

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I bet all the douchebags would buy it.

I have a question - should I replace HMGs with 7.62mm Gatling guns?

Loss of effective range, loss of munition power, increased ammunition expenditure, no real improvements to mobility and no functional improvement in suppressive capability.
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Postby Kouralia » Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:42 am

I'm onto Arty now. :D

Now, my Brigades go by the British Method which describes the following Artillery and Air Defence precautions per Brigade:



ArtilleryAir Defence
Light Role Brigade'Field Regiment RA''AD Battery RA'
Mechanised Brigade'SP Artillery Regiment (solely of SPGs)''Javelin AD Detachment'
Armoured Brigade'Artillery Regiment''Javelin Battery'

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Now, this seems rather small on the Air Defence Side, and a tad (to me) inflexible for the Artillery (especially having theoretically no rocket/missile artillery or CoBRa for a Mechanised Brigade). So, I'm wondering how to organise my forces.

For Artillery I was thinking of a Regiment consisting of Two Gun Companies, a Missile/MLRS Company and a CoBRa/Heavy Artillery Company. Each Company would be three Batteries of three systems. For the CoBRa company, there would be two Troops of CoBrA (one for redundancy) of two systems, then a Battery of three Heavy Guns. An Alternative could be having each company with its own integral CoBRa system, and entirely scrap the last company - or turn it into some form of AD unit.

For the AD Units I was thinking of three companies of three batteries. Each Company having: two batteries of three ShoRADS vehicles, and a battery of medium-level Air defence missiles (I dunno what to put there, maybe two missile launch systems?). Then each company gets two air defence radar sets, one primarily for redundency considering how much OpFor will want to destroy it.

Thoughts?
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Postby Elan Valleys » Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:48 am

Kouralia wrote:I'm onto Arty now. :D

Now, my Brigades go by the British Method which describes the following Artillery and Air Defence precautions per Brigade:



ArtilleryAir Defence
Light Role Brigade'Field Regiment RA''AD Battery RA'
Mechanised Brigade'SP Artillery Regiment (solely of SPGs)''Javelin AD Detachment'
Armoured Brigade'Artillery Regiment''Javelin Battery'



Now, this seems rather small on the Air Defence Side, and a tad (to me) inflexible for the Artillery (especially having theoretically no rocket/missile artillery or CoBRa for a Mechanised Brigade). So, I'm wondering how to organise my forces.

For Artillery I was thinking of a Regiment consisting of Two Gun Companies, a Missile/MLRS Company and a CoBRa/Heavy Artillery Company. Each Company would be three Batteries of three systems. For the CoBRa company, there would be two Troops of CoBrA (one for redundancy) of two systems, then a Battery of three Heavy Guns. An Alternative could be having each company with its own integral CoBRa system, and entirely scrap the last company - or turn it into some form of AD unit.

For the AD Units I was thinking of three companies of three batteries. Each Company having: two batteries of three ShoRADS vehicles, and a battery of medium-level Air defence missiles (I dunno what to put there, maybe two missile launch systems?). Then each company gets two air defence radar sets, one primarily for redundency considering how much OpFor will want to destroy it.

Thoughts?

Army 2020 is transitioning artillery regiments to have one battery of light gun, one of AS-90, one MRLS and one Observation. Dunno if that's how it'll be deployed.
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Postby East Vlaricstan » Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:50 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
East Vlaricstan wrote:
I bet all the douchebags would buy it.

I have a question - should I replace HMGs with 7.62mm Gatling guns?

Loss of effective range, loss of munition power, increased ammunition expenditure, no real improvements to mobility and no functional improvement in suppressive capability.


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Postby Kouralia » Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:55 am

Elan Valleys wrote:Army 2020 is transitioning artillery regiments to have one battery of light gun, one of AS-90, one MRLS and one Observation. Dunno if that's how it'll be deployed.

Hmm. But Army 2020 is a down-sizing of the armed forces, and not intended for a million+ man strong military. It also sounds rather small, isn't that like three 105mms, three 155mms and three MLRSs to support something like two thousand men's advance?
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:57 am

Kouralia wrote:
Elan Valleys wrote:Army 2020 is transitioning artillery regiments to have one battery of light gun, one of AS-90, one MRLS and one Observation. Dunno if that's how it'll be deployed.

Hmm. But Army 2020 is a down-sizing of the armed forces, and not intended for a million+ man strong military. It also sounds rather small, isn't that like three 105mms, three 155mms and three MLRSs to support something like two thousand men's advance?

Eurofighter PIRATE presumably steps in at that point.
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Postby Elan Valleys » Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:00 am

Kouralia wrote:
Elan Valleys wrote:Army 2020 is transitioning artillery regiments to have one battery of light gun, one of AS-90, one MRLS and one Observation. Dunno if that's how it'll be deployed.

Hmm. But Army 2020 is a down-sizing of the armed forces, and not intended for a million+ man strong military. It also sounds rather small, isn't that like three 105mms, three 155mms and three MLRSs to support something like two thousand men's advance?

One battery=8 guns.

You generally assign one battery per battalion.
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Postby Kouralia » Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:06 am

Elan Valleys wrote:
Kouralia wrote:Hmm. But Army 2020 is a down-sizing of the armed forces, and not intended for a million+ man strong military. It also sounds rather small, isn't that like three 105mms, three 155mms and three MLRSs to support something like two thousand men's advance?

One battery=8 guns.

Okay, that makes more sense.

So, for Each Brigade, give them... Two batteries of 155mm guns, one of 105mm guns, one of MLRS and one of observation? Totaling eight MLRS, 16 155mm guns and 8 105mm guns compared to my previous estimate of 18 155mm guns and 9 MLRS systems. The Observation can then have two CoBRa platoons and some UAVs?

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Elan Valleys wrote:You generally assign one battery per battalion.
I can then do this, and the observation theoretically goes where it needs to.
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Postby Immoren » Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:13 am

I use 6 gun batteries in manouvre brigades' arty regiments and batteries of artillery brigades have 9 guns.
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