A female Lord Protector? what to change?

[The British Stratocracy]

What about Mother Protector? It corresponds from your matriarchal paganism based religion. What better way for the first woman in power of a highly militaristic nation to say "I'm in control, I'm strong" then to align herself with the main deity of the nation.

That would actually make her far more formidable. But it may make the more male centric of the Military in the Senate feel threatened. On the other hand the common Stratocratic Citizen would feel compelled to follow the powerful mother figure......

Not a bad observation

[Kylarnatia]

Mater, as I'm sure you know, means 'Mother' in Latin. Therefore, 'Mother Protector' really doesn't flow, at least, in my opinion.

And try not to bump a thread too often, or too soon (it's best to wait 24-48 hours before bumping a thread), otherwise it counts as spamming. ;)

I really don't see what the problem is with 'Lord Protector', to be honest. technically, it would just act as one of those awkward conventions - just like the Queens of Egypt had to be called 'Pharaohs' (which was a male title), it isn't stupid or illogical to have a female leader take on a male title, because it follows standard convention. It definitely works if your nation has a strict culture.

Men and women share total equality in the Militarist Union. But female holders of public office feminize their titles to signify their gender. It a matter of pride for them, as they see having male titles as unrepresentative of themselves.

For example, female members of the Imperator council are called Imperatrix.

That's fair enough.

but then, if they're equal, why do you feel that 'Lady Protector' is not a powerful enough title? Not to be a nuisance, but that seems entirely contradictory to me. After all, for example, the 'Lady' of the household was its master (more than most people might think) - when you entered, you had to ask her permission, and obey her requests etc. - see what I mean? :)

Otherwise, I'd suggest thinking of a new title that can have both male and female versions of itself. Why not make the title, seeing as you're a Stratocracy, something like Dux Imperator and Dux Imperatrix? (Dux means Great, I think...very limited knowledge of Latin here, so please forgive me :P).

[Auzkhia]

Men and women share total equality in the Militarist Union. But female holders of public office feminize their titles to signify their gender. It a matter of pride for them, as they see having male titles as unrepresentative of themselves.

For example, female members of the Imperator council are called Imperatrix.

That's fair enough.

but then, if they're equal, why do you feel that 'Lady Protector' is not a powerful enough title? Not to be a nuisance, but that seems entirely contradictory to me. After all, for example, the 'Lady' of the household was its master (more than most people might think) - when you entered, you had to ask her permission, and obey her requests etc. - see what I mean?

Otherwise, I'd suggest thinking of a new title that can have both male and female versions of itself. Why not make the title, seeing as you're a Stratocracy, something like Dux Imperator and Dux Imperatrix? (Dux means Great, I think...very limited knowledge of Latin here, so please forgive me ).

Actually Magnus, Magnum, or Magna mean great. Dux was a word for some military officer that led to the title of Duke.

[The British Stratocracy]

Men and women share total equality in the Militarist Union. But female holders of public office feminize their titles to signify their gender. It a matter of pride for them, as they see having male titles as unrepresentative of themselves.

For example, female members of the Imperator council are called Imperatrix.

That's fair enough.

but then, if they're equal, why do you feel that 'Lady Protector' is not a powerful enough title? Not to be a nuisance, but that seems entirely contradictory to me. After all, for example, the 'Lady' of the household was its master (more than most people might think) - when you entered, you had to ask her permission, and obey her requests etc. - see what I mean?

Otherwise, I'd suggest thinking of a new title that can have both male and female versions of itself. Why not make the title, seeing as you're a Stratocracy, something like Dux Imperator and Dux Imperatrix? (Dux means Great, I think...very limited knowledge of Latin here, so please forgive me ).

Dux Imperator/Imperatrix.

That's actually really good. Why did I, the obsessed Roman enthusiast, not think of that first?

Good points

[The British Stratocracy]

That's fair enough.

but then, if they're equal, why do you feel that 'Lady Protector' is not a powerful enough title? Not to be a nuisance, but that seems entirely contradictory to me. After all, for example, the 'Lady' of the household was its master (more than most people might think) - when you entered, you had to ask her permission, and obey her requests etc. - see what I mean?

Otherwise, I'd suggest thinking of a new title that can have both male and female versions of itself. Why not make the title, seeing as you're a Stratocracy, something like Dux Imperator and Dux Imperatrix? (Dux means Great, I think...very limited knowledge of Latin here, so please forgive me ).

Actually Magnus, Magnum, or Magna mean great. Dux was a word for some military officer that led to the title of Duke.

Your quite right of course. How about "Mater Rex" . Thought "Rex" could give the impression of dictatorship.

[Auzkhia]

Actually Magnus, Magnum, or Magna mean great. Dux was a word for some military officer that led to the title of Duke.

Your quite right of course. How about "Mater Rex" . Thought "Rex" could give the impression of dictatorship.

Rex is king, Regina is queen. So Mater-Regina is what you want.

[Kylarnatia]

That's fair enough.

but then, if they're equal, why do you feel that 'Lady Protector' is not a powerful enough title? Not to be a nuisance, but that seems entirely contradictory to me. After all, for example, the 'Lady' of the household was its master (more than most people might think) - when you entered, you had to ask her permission, and obey her requests etc. - see what I mean? :)

Otherwise, I'd suggest thinking of a new title that can have both male and female versions of itself. Why not make the title, seeing as you're a Stratocracy, something like Dux Imperator and Dux Imperatrix? (Dux means Great, I think...very limited knowledge of Latin here, so please forgive me :P).

Actually Magnus, Magnum, or Magna mean great. Dux was a word for some military officer that led to the title of Duke.

Ah, yes, I remember now. Thank you. I chose 'Dux' over 'Magna' because I liked the regal tint behind 'Dux' - don't know why. :P

That's fair enough.

but then, if they're equal, why do you feel that 'Lady Protector' is not a powerful enough title? Not to be a nuisance, but that seems entirely contradictory to me. After all, for example, the 'Lady' of the household was its master (more than most people might think) - when you entered, you had to ask her permission, and obey her requests etc. - see what I mean? :)

Otherwise, I'd suggest thinking of a new title that can have both male and female versions of itself. Why not make the title, seeing as you're a Stratocracy, something like Dux Imperator and Dux Imperatrix? (Dux means Great, I think...very limited knowledge of Latin here, so please forgive me :P).

Dux Imperator/Imperatrix.

That's actually really good. Why did I, the obsessed Roman enthusiast, not think of that first?

Good points

You're very welcome. :)

If I can ever help with anything else, please let me know. ;)

Also, I must say, I love the flag - and I like the theme of your nation. Although it's not the first I've seen, you've stood out. I must say, I'd be interested in a roleplay sometime - the Imperium is very militarist itself. ;)

[The British Stratocracy]

Your quite right of course. How about "Mater Rex" . Thought "Rex" could give the impression of dictatorship.

Rex is king, Regina is queen. So Mater-Regina is what you want.

Man, I am imparrisimg myself in the latin termology department today. And I call myself a Nova Roman....

While a Roman name would be kick ass I'd prefer to stick with having the term "Protector" in the title.

Right now I am leaning with either "Mater Protector" which fits with the state religion, or "Dame Protector" Which sounds very militaristic.

[Auzkhia]

Rex is king, Regina is queen. So Mater-Regina is what you want.

Man, I am imparrisimg myself in the latin termology department today. And I call myself a Nova Roman....

While a Roman name would be kick ass I'd prefer to stick with having the term "Protector" in the title.

Right now I am leaning with either "Mater Protector" which fits with the state religion, or "Dame Protector" Which sounds very militaristic.

I still suggest Dame-Protectress.

[The British Stratocracy]

Actually Magnus, Magnum, or Magna mean great. Dux was a word for some military officer that led to the title of Duke.

Ah, yes, I remember now. Thank you. I chose 'Dux' over 'Magna' because I liked the regal tint behind 'Dux' - don't know why.

Dux Imperator/Imperatrix.

That's actually really good. Why did I, the obsessed Roman enthusiast, not think of that first?

Good points

You're very welcome.

If I can ever help with anything else, please let me know.

Also, I must say, I love the flag - and I like the theme of your nation. Although it's not the first I've seen, you've stood out. I must say, I'd be interested in a roleplay sometime - the Imperium is very militarist itself.

Thanks, my nation is based off of my own views as well as Civilizations of the past.

I'd be more then happy to RP sometime. I pride myself on having a character for every scenario

[Nu Sparta]

What about Mother Protector? It corresponds from your matriarchal paganism based religion. What better way for the first woman in power of a highly militaristic nation to say "I'm in control, I'm strong" then to align herself with the main deity of the nation.

That would actually make her far more formidable. But it may make the more male centric of the Military in the Senate feel threatened. On the other hand the common Stratocratic Citizen would feel compelled to follow the powerful mother figure......

Not a bad observation

It wasn't hard really. The Imperial Spartanian Empire and the Startocracy have many similarities.

Your right it would make the male centric military feel threatened, but taking a title not sounding powerful enough might make her seem like a puppet to them instead.

I guess it should all depend on what type of person you make this female, either way it'll make ripples in your society and politics.

[The British Stratocracy]

Man, I am imparrisimg myself in the latin termology department today. And I call myself a Nova Roman....

While a Roman name would be kick ass I'd prefer to stick with having the term "Protector" in the title.

Right now I am leaning with either "Mater Protector" which fits with the state religion, or "Dame Protector" Which sounds very militaristic.

I still suggest Dame-Protectress.

It's a strong possibility right now

[The British Stratocracy]

That would actually make her far more formidable. But it may make the more male centric of the Military in the Senate feel threatened. On the other hand the common Stratocratic Citizen would feel compelled to follow the powerful mother figure......

Not a bad observation

It wasn't hard really. The Imperial Spartanian Empire and the Startocracy have many similarities.

You right it would make the male centric military feel threatened, but taking a title not sounding powerful enough might make her seem like a puppet them instead.

I guess it should all depend on what type of person you make this female, either way it'll make ripples in your society and politics.

Actually I know exactly who I will place into the leadership.

The following is from the factbook:

Admiral Kristeen Summers

A cold but brilliant Naval Officer who sits on the Senate. She is a critic of the current Prime Senator's Leadership, seeing him as being too soft on foreign affairs. As an admiral, she commands several Home Fleet forces and is a brilliant and skilled commander. Sailors and Marines under her command call her the “Ice Queen” or “Palla Athena”, despite these names she actually holds their unflinching loyalty. The current Lord Protector views her as his logical successor. She has several connections to the temple.

[Kylarnatia]

Ah, yes, I remember now. Thank you. I chose 'Dux' over 'Magna' because I liked the regal tint behind 'Dux' - don't know why. :P



You're very welcome. :)

If I can ever help with anything else, please let me know. ;)

Also, I must say, I love the flag - and I like the theme of your nation. Although it's not the first I've seen, you've stood out. I must say, I'd be interested in a roleplay sometime - the Imperium is very militarist itself. ;)

Thanks, my nation is based off of my own views as well as Civilizations of the past.

I'd be more then happy to RP sometime. I pride myself on having a character for every scenario :)

Fantastic. :)

Well, whenever you're happy, drop me a telegram and we can start planning. :D

and we'll leave that discussion there, because I don't want to start flooding your thread with off-topic chatter. :P

[The British Stratocracy]

Thanks, my nation is based off of my own views as well as Civilizations of the past.

I'd be more then happy to RP sometime. I pride myself on having a character for every scenario

Fantastic.

Well, whenever you're happy, drop me a telegram and we can start planning.

and we'll leave that discussion there, because I don't want to start flooding your thread with off-topic chatter.

fair enough, I'll drop you a telegram sometime. cheers.

[Nu Sparta]

It wasn't hard really. The Imperial Spartanian Empire and the Startocracy have many similarities.

You right it would make the male centric military feel threatened, but taking a title not sounding powerful enough might make her seem like a puppet them instead.

I guess it should all depend on what type of person you make this female, either way it'll make ripples in your society and politics.

Actually I know exactly who I will place into the leadership.

The following is from the factbook:

Admiral Kristeen Summers

A cold but brilliant Naval Officer who sits on the Senate. She is a critic of the current Prime Senator's Leadership, seeing him as being too soft on foreign affairs. As an admiral, she commands several Home Fleet forces and is a brilliant and skilled commander. Sailors and Marines under her command call her the “Ice Queen” or “Palla Athena”, despite these names she actually holds their unflinching loyalty. The current Lord Protector views her as his logical successor. She has several connections to the temple.

So she is prior military so Dame Protector could be a great option. Though Mater Protector and Mother Protector might also be good due to her temple connections. Either way they both seem like they would promote her being in power, I personally would go with Mother Protector simply for aligning herself with the Goddess. I think her threatening the senate with her title might be a good way to simply to show them that they can't use her as a puppet.

[The British Stratocracy]

Actually I know exactly who I will place into the leadership.

The following is from the factbook:

Admiral Kristeen Summers

A cold but brilliant Naval Officer who sits on the Senate. She is a critic of the current Prime Senator's Leadership, seeing him as being too soft on foreign affairs. As an admiral, she commands several Home Fleet forces and is a brilliant and skilled commander. Sailors and Marines under her command call her the “Ice Queen” or “Palla Athena”, despite these names she actually holds their unflinching loyalty. The current Lord Protector views her as his logical successor. She has several connections to the temple.

So she is prior military so Dame Protector could be a great option. Though Mater Protector and Mother Protector might also be good due to her temple connections. Either way they both seem like they would promote her being in power, I personally would go with Mother Protector simply for aligning herself with the Goddess. I think her threatening the senate with her title might be a good way to simply to show them that they can't use her as a puppet.

Your making a very good case. The Prime Senator, Admiral Andrew Gwyther, is her main rival and current leader of the Senate. Having the title "Mater Protector" (which as you have pointed out, hold significant religious hinting) could subtly undermine his support and boost hers.

I think we have found her a title

[Nu Sparta]

So she is prior military so Dame Protector could be a great option. Though Mater Protector and Mother Protector might also be good due to her temple connections. Either way they both seem like they would promote her being in power, I personally would go with Mother Protector simply for aligning herself with the Goddess. I think her threatening the senate with her title might be a good way to simply to show them that they can't use her as a puppet.

Your making a very good case. The Prime Senator, Admiral Andrew Gwyther, is her main rival and current leader of the Senate. Having the title "Mater Protector" (which as you have pointed out, hold significant religious hinting) could subtly undermine his support and boost hers.

I think we have found her a title

Glad I could be of help, maybe we will have some RP interaction with one another in future. Oooh that will lead to some crazy conspiracy theories going on, as the Empire and Orthella traded technology. Military aerospace stealth technology for their disposable space shuttle technology and trade relations. This was all done on the basis that the Empire wouldn't enter into any sort of military trade or alliance with the Stratocracy.

[The British Stratocracy]

Your making a very good case. The Prime Senator, Admiral Andrew Gwyther, is her main rival and current leader of the Senate. Having the title "Mater Protector" (which as you have pointed out, hold significant religious hinting) could subtly undermine his support and boost hers.

I think we have found her a title

Glad I could be of help, maybe we will have some RP interaction with one another in future. Oooh that will lead to some crazy conspiracy theories going on, as the Empire and Orthella traded technology. Military aerospace stealth technology for their disposable space shuttle technology and trade relations. This was all done on the basis that the Empire wouldn't enter into any sort of military trade or alliance with the Stratocracy.

Sounds good, telegram me if you ever want to pursue that. Honestly I can see some sort of alliance between the two at some point. Both are militaristic in nature and emulate the Greco-Roman Culture (Who wouldn't? the Greeks and Roman are badass).

[The British Stratocracy]

Reviving this thread for a similar question.


In the past the wife to the Lord Protector has been called the "Lady Protector" (one of the reasons I didn't what a female head of state called that). So what should the husband of a Mater Protector be called?

The only name I can think of is "Sir Protector"

[Northumbria]

Lord Consort.

[The British Stratocracy]

Lord Consort.

Not bad. But isn't "Consort" strictly female? "Lord Paramour" instead?

Or are you referring to a female Lord Protector?

[Auzkhia]

Lord Consort.

Not bad. But isn't "Consort" strictly female? "Lord Paramour" instead?

Or are you referring to a female Lord Protector?

No, consort is not strictly female. For example; Philip, the Duke of Edinburgh is called the Prince consort. Prince Albert was a prince consort. A consort is the spouse of a reigning monarch. Consorts are usually female as kings are more common than queens.

[The British Stratocracy]

Not bad. But isn't "Consort" strictly female? "Lord Paramour" instead?

Or are you referring to a female Lord Protector?

No, consort is not strictly female. For example; Philip, the Duke of Edinburgh is called the Prince consort. Prince Albert was a prince consort. A consort is the spouse of a reigning monarch. Consorts are usually female as kings are more common than queens.

Fair enough then. "Lord Consort" is now a strong possibility.

[Nu Sparta]

No, consort is not strictly female. For example; Philip, the Duke of Edinburgh is called the Prince consort. Prince Albert was a prince consort. A consort is the spouse of a reigning monarch. Consorts are usually female as kings are more common than queens.

Fair enough then. "Lord Consort" is now a strong possibility.

Well we wanted to keep Protector in the official title the new woman in power right, so maybe we should keep it in this new title as well.

I'm a Wiccan and in my coven all the women call us males their "Warrior Consorts" so I got the idea for "Protector Consort" or "Consort Protector"