Main Military Weapon of Your Country: Revision 11

[Spreewerke]

You don't make sense. Where on earth, in the post you quoted and in the dozens of posts i've made re: caseless weapons, have I suggested or insinuated that the cartridge enters the barrel. Further more, if the cartridge is in the barrel and fails to fire, it can't be pushed out.

Go look at the Hughes caseless demonstrator, the G11 PDW and the LSAT and then come back and try this argument again.

Ironic because this rifle was based on the action used by the Hughes rifle.

...and "The Cabin in the Woods" was supposed to be based on the Left 4 Dead series.


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[Benomia]

Ironic because this rifle was based on the action used by the Hughes rifle.

...and "The Cabin in the Woods" was supposed to be based on the Left 4 Dead series.

Are you serious? That...you'd never know.


Although I'm not seeing the relevance.

[Spreewerke]

...and "The Cabin in the Woods" was supposed to be based on the Left 4 Dead series.

Are you serious? That...you'd never know.


Although I'm not seeing the relevance.

What I'm saying is "based" means relatively little since it is quite obvious "TCITW" is completely different than the L4D series save for zombies.

[Red Schrattal]

Regarding my failed statement about a mid-20th-century main infantry rifle, is there anything to the idea of a 10 round, semi-automatic rifle or carbine with an entirely stamped (or at least mostly stamped) body and mechanism, including the stock?

Leaving aside the particulars of round size and weapon weight, is there a glaring flaw in that plan I just don't see?

[Benomia]

Are you serious? That...you'd never know.


Although I'm not seeing the relevance.

What I'm saying is "based" means relatively little since it is quite obvious "TCITW" is completely different than the L4D series save for zombies.

Yes.

However my rifle uses a mechanism bolt for bolt almost identical to that in the Hughes, except with a larger round and in bullpup format.

[Spreewerke]

Regarding my failed statement about a mid-20th-century main infantry rifle, is there anything to the idea of a 10 round, semi-automatic rifle or carbine with an entirely stamped (or at least mostly stamped) body and mechanism, including the stock?

In the 20th century?

Definitely.

What caliber and purpose?

[Aqizithiuda]

Are you serious? That...you'd never know.


Although I'm not seeing the relevance.

What I'm saying is "based" means relatively little since it is quite obvious "TCITW" is completely different than the L4D series save for zombies.

This. The only resemblance is the magazine, which is the unsealable, single stacked trainwreck.

Regarding my failed statement about a mid-20th-century main infantry rifle, is there anything to the idea of a 10 round, semi-automatic rifle or carbine with an entirely stamped (or at least mostly stamped) body and mechanism, including the stock?

Make it 20 rounds.

[Yes Im Biop]

This in no way pussy foot's around with Caseless fun besides a MAUL

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Battle Rifle MK3

BBR_3

• Type: Battle Rifle
• Place of Origin: Biop

Service History

• In Service: 2057 - Present
• Used By: Biopian Armed forces (All Branches)
• Wars: Great Plain's war, Bloodied Day's war.

Production History

• Designed: 2044
• Designer: Malfesto Cloud
• Manufactured by: Cyber Corp International
• Produced: 2055 - Present
• Number Built: ~4,000,234
• Variants:
  • MK3
  • MK3-DSR
  • MK3-CQW

Specifications

• Weight: 15.0 (empty) 18.4 (Loaded 20 Box)
• Length: (1100 mm)
• Barrel Length:(1010 mm)
  

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• Cartridge(s):
  • 10x90 Biop
  • 10 Gague Casless
  • Action: Gas operated, Rotating Bolt
  • MAUL Caseless SHotgun
  • Rate of Fire:550 Rounds/minute
  • Feed System:10/20 Round Box
  • Sights: Iron or Any Chosen sight

Background

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Late in the 2030 it was decided that the Aging Stryker MK2 was in need of replacement. Early power armor was capable of defeating the heavy 30-06 round. In 2041 The Bloodied Legion Government held a competition for the new Rifle Labeled simply "MK3" 25 companies arrived with Prototypes built to the specification's requested. Capable of defeating VII Armor at 500 meter's, and capable of being converted into a Sniper's Rifle. Cyber Corp International's Rifle, given no official designation was selected, As well as sporting both qualities the Huge rifle featured the ability to mount or simply be converted into a MAUL 10 Gague shotgun.
Put into production after 3 year's of being refined the weapon has served Biop's Military ever sense.
Construction and Design

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Begin designed to be used large scale by Draconian forces and later for Power Armored forces the gun has very few anti recoil systems, A simple compensator and it's weight are all. Designed to be put through hell and back the gun simple but precise, using high grade titanium the gun is very strong but light. The simple modification's that transform the gun into a Automatic Shotgun or a Sniper's Rifle can be done by removing 4 pin's to take the gun apart,m remove teh action and barrel and replace them with ether the shotgun or Rifle part's.
Variants

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The MK3 Come's in 3 Flavor's

• MK3-s Standard Battle Rifle Variant.
• MK3-DSR: Designated Sniper Rifle, a longer barrel and more powerful optic's as well as using a Bolt Action..
• MK3-CC: Close Quarter's, Using the 10Gague modification it becomes a 25 round automatic shotgun for use in clearing building's.

[Red Schrattal]

Regarding my failed statement about a mid-20th-century main infantry rifle, is there anything to the idea of a 10 round, semi-automatic rifle or carbine with an entirely stamped (or at least mostly stamped) body and mechanism, including the stock?

In the 20th century?

Definitely.

What caliber and purpose?

General-purpose infantry rifle, probably a larger caliber (I'm not as familiar with the distinctions as I would like to be, but I believe something in the neighbourhood of 7 mm). At that period in history my nation was expanding into the frontier regions around it, so the weapon would have to be cheap, but reasonably-performing in actual combat situations.

[Spreewerke]

In the 20th century?

Definitely.

What caliber and purpose?

General-purpose infantry rifle, probably a larger caliber (I'm not as familiar with the distinctions as I would like to be, but I believe something in the neighbourhood of 7 mm). At that period in history my nation was expanding into the frontier regions around it, so the weapon would have to be cheap, but reasonably-performing in actual combat situations.

The AK action can successfully be scaled up for typical battle rifle cartridges.

In the 1970s, the Romanians scaled up an RPK to accept 7.62x54mmR and used it as a DMR: it is known as the PSL.

Likewise, you could likely just rip off an RPK receiver, give it an 18" barrel, and use standard AK wood furniture. The AKMS had an underfolding stamped metal stock, but it would be a major bitch on anything outside of an intermediate caliber. It's stock design was stolen from the MP40, so it'd definitely be something not too cutting-edge, and easily cloned in-house by your manufacturers.

Actually, ICly, I use a stamped notAK variant in 7.92x57mm IS: you could probably base your rifle somewhat off of it. Mine is heavily influenced by the modern VEPR and the older Yugo. M76 DMR. I just blended the technology (since it did actually exist in the 1970s IRL, and was potentially possible before that (~1960) if someone was crazy enough). Anyway, here's what mine looks like. I do ask you don't copy it (I am not "selling" to non-Terra Firma users, and only KC members at that), but you can feel free to take the basic concept of it and run with it.

[Red Schrattal]

General-purpose infantry rifle, probably a larger caliber (I'm not as familiar with the distinctions as I would like to be, but I believe something in the neighbourhood of 7 mm). At that period in history my nation was expanding into the frontier regions around it, so the weapon would have to be cheap, but reasonably-performing in actual combat situations.

The AK action can successfully be scaled up for typical battle rifle cartridges.

In the 1970s, the Romanians scaled up an RPK to accept 7.62x54mmR and used it as a DMR: it is known as the PSL.

Likewise, you could likely just rip off an RPK receiver, give it an 18" barrel, and use standard AK wood furniture. The AKMS had an underfolding stamped metal stock, but it would be a major bitch on anything outside of an intermediate caliber. It's stock design was stolen from the MP40, so it'd definitely be something not too cutting-edge, and easily cloned in-house by your manufacturers.

Actually, ICly, I use a stamped notAK variant in 7.92x57mm IS: you could probably base your rifle somewhat off of it. Mine is heavily influenced by the modern VEPR and the older Yugo. M76 DMR. I just blended the technology (since it did actually exist in the 1970s IRL, and was potentially possible before that (~1960) if someone was crazy enough). Anyway, here's what mine looks like. I do ask you don't copy it (I am not "selling" to non-Terra Firma users, and only KC members at that), but you can feel free to take the basic concept of it and run with it.

This certainly bears further investigation. Thanks Spree.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

So...
Rough estimates on the size of my PCTA 8mm Mauser cartridge suggest that it'll be lighter and slightly smaller than 7.62mm NATO.

Sound legit?

[Aqizithiuda]

So...
Rough estimates on the size of my PCTA 8mm Mauser cartridge suggest that it'll be lighter and slightly smaller than 7.62mm NATO.

Sound legit?

Assuming you mean smaller in terms of length only, it sounds pretty legit.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Assuming you mean smaller in terms of length only, it sounds pretty legit.

Maybe I broke something then? Becaus when I took my measurments, I came out with external dimensions of 12x60mm and a maximum weight of 320gr for the 8mm Mauser. The 7.62mm NATO is 11.94x69mm and weighs 393gr.

[Spreewerke]

The AK action can successfully be scaled up for typical battle rifle cartridges.

In the 1970s, the Romanians scaled up an RPK to accept 7.62x54mmR and used it as a DMR: it is known as the PSL.

Likewise, you could likely just rip off an RPK receiver, give it an 18" barrel, and use standard AK wood furniture. The AKMS had an underfolding stamped metal stock, but it would be a major bitch on anything outside of an intermediate caliber. It's stock design was stolen from the MP40, so it'd definitely be something not too cutting-edge, and easily cloned in-house by your manufacturers.

Actually, ICly, I use a stamped notAK variant in 7.92x57mm IS: you could probably base your rifle somewhat off of it. Mine is heavily influenced by the modern VEPR and the older Yugo. M76 DMR. I just blended the technology (since it did actually exist in the 1970s IRL, and was potentially possible before that (~1960) if someone was crazy enough). Anyway, here's what mine looks like. I do ask you don't copy it (I am not "selling" to non-Terra Firma users, and only KC members at that), but you can feel free to take the basic concept of it and run with it.

This certainly bears further investigation. Thanks Spree.

I believe China also made some stamped SKSs, but to my knowledge, these are very rare, and I have no idea how durable the platform would be. Puzikas would have to chime in on that is he would know far more about the SKS than I would in this regard (or, really, any of them).

[Aqizithiuda]

Assuming you mean smaller in terms of length only, it sounds pretty legit.

Maybe I broke something then? Becaus when I took my measurments, I came out with external dimensions of 12x60mm and a maximum weight of 320gr for the 8mm Mauser. The 7.62mm NATO is 11.94x69mm and weighs 393gr.

I wouldn't expect quite that much of a length reduction, but I can't do the maths right now to check.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

I wouldn't expect quite that much of a length reduction, but I can't do the maths right now to check.

No? Oh well. Perhaps my rough guestimate was a bit too rough.

Don't worry, I'll do my own maths later.

[Puzikas]

This certainly bears further investigation. Thanks Spree.

I believe China also made some stamped SKSs, but to my knowledge, these are very rare, and I have no idea how durable the platform would be. Puzikas would have to chime in on that is he would know far more about the SKS than I would in this regard (or, really, any of them).

Good quality, good overall ability. They work as well as an SKS but they do feel much more flimsy in ones hands.

There is really no major difference as far as I know, in terms of ability.

[Aqizithiuda]

I wouldn't expect quite that much of a length reduction, but I can't do the maths right now to check.

No? Oh well. Perhaps my rough guestimate was a bit too rough.

Don't worry, I'll do my own maths later.

My brain just kicked in. I think your guesstimate was pretty close to the money, actually.

[Graznovia]

In IC, we have just given our military an additional 92 billion to work with, and we're planning to purchase new rifles for our infantrymen.

We have 75,000 infantrymen to work with, and we want high quality weapons - durable, flexible, and function.

Any thought on which rifle we might buy within our budget?

Assuming you're able and willing to spend some 50,000 to 60,000 NSD a pop (per weapon), which is actually not as insane as one might think considering the relatively minute size of your military; The Orion of the small arms world. Its about as advanced as an MT small arm can get, and would be quite a force multiplier.

Did some quick maths for you; equipping your entire ground forces with this weapon works out to about 4 billion not inclusive of ammunition and accessories.

[Spreewerke]

In IC, we have just given our military an additional 92 billion to work with, and we're planning to purchase new rifles for our infantrymen.

We have 75,000 infantrymen to work with, and we want high quality weapons - durable, flexible, and function.

Any thought on which rifle we might buy within our budget?

Assuming you're able and willing to spend some 50,000 to 60,000 NSD a pop (per weapon), which is actually not as insane as one might think considering the relatively minute size of your military; The Orion of the small arms world. Its about as advanced as an MT small arm can get, and would be quite a force multiplier.

Did some quick maths for you; equipping your entire ground forces with this weapon works out to about 4 billion not inclusive of ammunition and accessories.

That looks complicated as all get out: tap-rack-bang does not apply, do not want.

Go buy AK-103s for $220.00 a piece, throw your left-overs towards armor, vehicles, gear, uniforms, or something.

[Sevvania]

...and "The Cabin in the Woods" was supposed to be based on the Left 4 Dead series.

I liek L4D.

And on the subject of zombie survival games, movies, tv shows, etc., I've noticed something; there seem to be relatively large quantity of fully-automatic weapons. Aside from police and military, one would imagine that the most commonly seen weapons would be semi-automatics at best. This trend seems to prevail even in otherwise semi-realistic interpretations of numerous post-apocalyptic movies, etc (Excluding "Night of the Living Dead"). Why don't they give civilian guns to the civilian survivors? Surely not all of them were lucky enough to happen upon unattended police or military weaponry.

[Spreewerke]

...and "The Cabin in the Woods" was supposed to be based on the Left 4 Dead series.

I liek L4D.

And on the subject of zombie survival games, movies, tv shows, etc., I've noticed something; there seem to be relatively large quantity of fully-automatic weapons. Aside from police and military, one would imagine that the most commonly seen weapons would be semi-automatics at best. This trend seems to prevail even in otherwise semi-realistic interpretations of numerous post-apocalyptic movies, etc (Excluding "Night of the Living Dead"). Why don't they give civilian guns to the civilian survivors? Surely not all of them were lucky enough to happen upon unattended police or military weaponry.

If you want to really get pissed, go watch Rampage.

[Sevvania]

I liek L4D.

And on the subject of zombie survival games, movies, tv shows, etc., I've noticed something; there seem to be relatively large quantity of fully-automatic weapons. Aside from police and military, one would imagine that the most commonly seen weapons would be semi-automatics at best. This trend seems to prevail even in otherwise semi-realistic interpretations of numerous post-apocalyptic movies, etc (Excluding "Night of the Living Dead"). Why don't they give civilian guns to the civilian survivors? Surely not all of them were lucky enough to happen upon unattended police or military weaponry.

If you want to really get pissed, go watch Rampage.

Which Rampage?

I understand why they might need full-autos for video games and such, but you would think that civilian weapons would be easier to acquire for use in movies and television. [/nitpick]

[Aqizithiuda]

...and "The Cabin in the Woods" was supposed to be based on the Left 4 Dead series.

I liek L4D.

And on the subject of zombie survival games, movies, tv shows, etc., I've noticed something; there seem to be relatively large quantity of fully-automatic weapons. Aside from police and military, one would imagine that the most commonly seen weapons would be semi-automatics at best. This trend seems to prevail even in otherwise semi-realistic interpretations of numerous post-apocalyptic movies, etc (Excluding "Night of the Living Dead"). Why don't they give civilian guns to the civilian survivors? Surely not all of them were lucky enough to happen upon unattended police or military weaponry.

Because fuck not having full automatic fire, that's why.

Actually, I would really love to see a zombie movie set in Australia. No semi or full automatic weapons for you Mr Survivor.