Main Military Weapon of Your Country: Revision 11

[Yes Im Biop]

Could you build a magazine fed 60mm Mortar?

[Aqizithiuda]

Could you build a magazine fed 60mm Mortar?

Yes.

[Yes Im Biop]

Could you build a magazine fed 60mm Mortar?

Yes.

That would be fun

[Coltarin]

Guys, I did a bad thing.
(Image)

Metal Storm?

Yes.

[Triplebaconation]

Who are those fucking bushes advancing towards u- OHSHI-

Sigged
Also I agree with Anemos, if your Going to modernize a Rifle Do what Spree is doing, Make it an Absurdly custom rifle, Or just buy a Remington 700 if that's your desired aesthetic.

Nonsense.

Military rifles in most cases were produced by hundreds of thousands or millions. Most of them aren't unique snowflakes to be lovingly preserved.

I remember a time not so long ago when you could buy an Enfield, Mauser, Mosin or SKS for less than a hundred dollars at K-Mart or somewhere. They usually weren't in very good shape. Tons of these rifles, hardly collector-grade, are still out there, and can be bought very cheaply, or traded for, or found in a closet.

If you're on a budget, putting a cheap new stock and scope on a surplus rifle makes as much sense than buying a poor-quality rifle for an equivalent price, and it's far more practical than lugging around a historically accurate military rifle in the woods. If you're actually using a rifle rather than collecting them or looking at pretty pictures of them, aesthetics are a secondary concern.

[Fischermann]

Rails didn't exist.

Other than that, you'll just end up with a Thorneycroft and paper cartridges.

Not yet they don't. I shall change all that, just you wait and see.

More like a bullpuped automatic pistol firing semicaseless rounds.

bullpup volcanic FTW!

You, good sir, are a genius.

Should I make some bullpup matchlocks again or what



Repost. I need some constructive criticism on this one.

[Aqizithiuda]

Metal Storm?

Yes.

Why aren't there any skirts on the projectiles?

Not yet they don't. I shall change all that, just you wait and see.

More like a bullpuped automatic pistol firing semicaseless rounds.



You, good sir, are a genius.

Should I make some bullpup matchlocks again or what



Repost. I need some constructive criticism on this one.

Yes.

Like I said before, it looks good. I don't see any glaring issues.

[Coltarin]

Yes.

Why aren't there any skirts on the projectiles?

It's only a WIP

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Yes.

Why aren't there any skirts on the projectiles?

Because Colt 'nades are too manly for your pansy assed Aussie skirts.
*nods*

[Fischermann]

Yes.

Why aren't there any skirts on the projectiles?

Should I make some bullpup matchlocks again or what

(Image)

Repost. I need some constructive criticism on this one.

Yes.

Like I said before, it looks good. I don't see any glaring issues.

The rails don't look like shit?

'Tis nice.

Anyways, just a question, probably retarded.

Why don't you make conventional looking caseless projectiles? Impossible?

As in, normal-looking round, only that the case is made of propellant, and not brass.

[Black Hand]

Why aren't there any skirts on the projectiles?



Yes.

Like I said before, it looks good. I don't see any glaring issues.

The rails don't look like shit?

'Tis nice.

Anyways, just a question, probably retarded.

Why don't you make conventional looking caseless projectiles? Impossible?

As in, normal-looking round, only that the case is made of propellant, and not brass.

While not technically Impossible The main issue being that Cartridges are in no way filled with propellant.

[Aqizithiuda]

Why aren't there any skirts on the projectiles?



Yes.

Like I said before, it looks good. I don't see any glaring issues.

The rails don't look like shit?

'Tis nice.

Anyways, just a question, probably retarded.

Why don't you make conventional looking caseless projectiles? Impossible?

As in, normal-looking round, only that the case is made of propellant, and not brass.

How do you extract it if it fails to fire?

[Fischermann]

The rails don't look like shit?

'Tis nice.

Anyways, just a question, probably retarded.

Why don't you make conventional looking caseless projectiles? Impossible?

As in, normal-looking round, only that the case is made of propellant, and not brass.

How do you extract it if it fails to fire?

The caseless or the HTd-3M?

[Aqizithiuda]

How do you extract it if it fails to fire?

The caseless or the HTd-3M?

The caseless.

[Fischermann]

The caseless or the HTd-3M?

The caseless.

Regular misfire procedure? It's supposed to be the same as a regular cartridge - only that it doesn't eject.

[Themiclesia]

In IC, we have just given our military an additional 92 billion to work with, and we're planning to purchase new rifles for our infantrymen.

We have 75,000 infantrymen to work with, and we want high quality weapons - durable, flexible, and function.

Any thought on which rifle we might buy within our budget?

[San-Silvacian]

Could you build a magazine fed 60mm Mortar?

The Russians did with a 82mm mortar, 60mm should be easier.

However it will be heavy and expensive, but lulztastic.

[Red Schrattal]

Since I play mostly in two eras, I'll give both. And, from all the gun porn, I assume we're talking about the principle infantry weapon in terms of units issued, rather than a key weapon, or a specialized weapon (such as a support gun or so on).

Therefore, from the start of the Civil War (1890) until I say otherwise, the chief infantry weapon is the Arsenal Anfangsburg Model 1890 (Known as the AA-90) in 7.62x54mm. The bolt-action rifle has a five-round magazine and the 730mm barrel has a right-hand twist. From 1893 onward, the rifle was issued with stripper clips that soldiers could use to reload in combat. A specialized version was fitted with an optical sight with fixed crosshairs, though all but the longest-shot soldiers preferred the adjustable ladder sights.

During the Solidification Period (c1950 with a few years leeway to either side), the primary weapon had changed to a submachine gun - a selective-fire, drum fed weapon in 7.62x25 called the AAS-42 (for Arsenal Anfangsber Sturm). The weapon was produced in mass quantities during a relatively peaceful time, but would be superceded in actual warfare by later models, which did away with its time- and resource-intensive wooden stock.

[Benomia]

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Assault Rifle, Caliber 6.8mm, ARC-9

(The standard ARC-9 with loaded 30 round magazine offset)

ARC-9

• Type: Assault rifle
• Place of Origin: Benomia

Service History

• In Service: 2013 - Present
• Used By: Benomian National Defense Force (Army & Navy)

Production History

• Designed: 2009-2013
• Designer: Khakhov Markop
• Manufactured by: The Markop Company; King cobra Arms
• Produced: 2013 - Present
• Number Built: ~200
• Variants:
  • ARC-9
  • ARC9E1
  • ARC9-H
  • ARU-9
  • SORC-9
  • SRC-13
    
    • SRC13E1
    • SRC13H
    • SRU-13
    • ORC-13

Specifications

• Weight: 7.1 lb (empty)
• Length: 590mm
• Barrel Length: 400mm
  

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• Cartridge(s):
  • 6.8x50mm LPAC
  • 7.62x25 (.300 Tok)(SORC-9/ORC-13)
• Action: Twin-piston, rising/falling breech
• Rate of Fire: 650 rounds/min (adjustable)
• Feed System: 30- or 45-round box magazines
• Sights: Any mounted sights

Background

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After years of service, the aging Viper rifle (formerly used by the Benomian military) was beginning to show its major drawbacks. The heavy brass rounds were preventing the soldiers from carrying much needed ammunition, and the sheer weight prevented decent sized magazines and lightweight paratrooper models. Also, the heavy recoil the round produced kept long range and extended encounters from being handled effectively by Benomian soldiers. In late 2011, the Benomian SOC issued a request for proposals to replace the Viper and Terronium rifles still in their possession. In December of that year, the Benomian Army issued the same request. That program led to the official adoptation of the "M64A1 6.8x70 Caseless Rifle", although it's inability to chamber a round at all in damp conditions, combined with its exessive recoil (even with the BARS mechanism), heavy weight, and litteral inability to dissasemble the rifle without physically breaking it led to it never actually getting issued. In Febuary 2012 the Benomian National Defense Force issued a worldwide request for proposals for a new rifle (dubbed the "ARC", or "Advanced Rifle Competition"), and although every entry failed the moderate succes of an outside caseless rifle led Benomian weapon engineers to rethink the failed M64 as just that - a failure of rifle, not of concept.
Foreign "AK-14" caseless rifles (produced in The Archangel Cologmerate) became the starting point for many new Benomian designs. In late March 2012 a new competition for Benomian makes only (dubbed "ARC-2") with one of the requirements being a caseless design. A total of six rifles entered the competition, but like ARC-1 before it all were rejected and the makes given notice of their rifle's flaws. The competition was set up yet again (as ARC-3), and yet again no rifle met all requirements. This chain of restarting and cancelling the ARC program occured eight times, before one was finally accepted on the ninth version of the competition. The rifle, designed by Khakhov Markop and produced by his corporation, used the same mechanism as late 70s caseless prototypes but in a bullpup format. The rifle was formally adopted on June 19th, 2013, and redesigns for various roles began almost immediately. The Navy branch of the NDF adopted the ARC9E1 rifle on July 8th 2013.


Construction & Design

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The ARC-9's construction is relatively basic. It is constructed from a solid polymer block, with both receivers being milled seperately; the two recievers are rivetted together. The interior workings are mostly constructed out of lightweight aluminum. The magazines are constructed mainly from polymer as well, but some aluminum magazines also exist. Barrels are chrome lined as standard.
The design of the weapon is much more unconventional. It is piston operated (with a gas adjustment system), but there are two phyisical operating rods. The gas from the projectile is extracted at the gas block near the edge of the rifle, and pushed at a 90 degree angle onto the piston (the exess gas is then vented into the surrounding air). The piston (and charging handle) then move rearwards, which acts on a lever which moves the second piston, located behind the trigger under the barrel. This bottom piston pushes the cartridge rearward, directly into the breechblock. The upper piston continues rearward which moves a large, flat cam profile attached to the side of the breech, which moves backwards, shifting the breechblock directly upwards in line with the barrel. If the trigger is depressed, when the breechblock gets in line with the barrel the hammer will fire the cartridge, which also actutes the cam lever, pushing forward the piston, down the breechblock, etc. When there is no cartridge left in the magazine, the first half of operation will complete itself, leaving the breechblock in the upper position and the charging handle rearward. A magazine must then be inserted, a bolt release (located on the left side of the rifle) hit, and then the charging handle pumped to load a new cartridge. If a cartridge is loaded and must be ejected, the magazine must be removed, the charging handle pushed forward, and the rifle tilted to the front until the cartridge falls out.
The magazines are completely closed on the top, which prevents exessive moisture from entering the magazines as well as simplifying the feeding process. Magazines can be loaded by depressing a thumbpart on the side of the magazine, and then placing the cartridges in one by one.
The rifle features seperate a seperate safety and fire selector. The selector can select from full-automatic or semi-automatic. The magazine release is ergonomically built into the stock, and the compensator is removable to attach sound suppresors.


Variants

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Many variations of the ARC-9 concept are planned, with some already in production. The main version, the ARC-9, features a 400mm barrel. The version adopted by the navy, featuring a lengthed 508mm barrel, is known as the ARC9E1 (sometimes the hyphen is included, but formal military designation does not indclude hyphens for "E" or "A" rifles varients). There is also a civilian version known as the SRC-13, that is semi-automatic only and lacks the gas adjustment system,

In addition to these main versions, there are multiple planned versions of the rifle. The ARC9-H is a variant with a 650mm barrel to be issued in the infantry automatic rifle role, with some versions featuring modified magwells and 100-round drum magazines replacing some belt fed light machineguns. The ARU-9 is an ultrashort version of the ARC-9 with a greatly shortened front handguard/receiver and a 275mm barrel. The SORC-9 is a modified version of the rifle with a different magwel and chambered for the 7.62x25mm round standard in Benomian pistols and PDWs. This version lacks a gas regulator, as adjusting the system either direction caused severe reliability concerns.
The SRC-13 civilian line also has versions the mirror the above military-spec rifles. They are the SRC13E1, SRC13H, SRU-13, and ORC-13, respectively.

There was also plans to produce an export rifle chambered in a telescoped version of the 6.8x43mm SPC cartridge, although this specific program has been postponed until sufficient military production lines can be established.

This BBcode format courtesy of Corda

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[Aqizithiuda]

The caseless.

Regular misfire procedure? It's supposed to be the same as a regular cartridge - only that it doesn't eject.

Except that caseless propellants are too fragile to form a rim.

In IC, we have just given our military an additional 92 billion to work with, and we're planning to purchase new rifles for our infantrymen.

We have 75,000 infantrymen to work with, and we want high quality weapons - durable, flexible, and function.

Any thought on which rifle we might buy within our budget?

This one: viewtopic.php?p=14910811#p14910811

Since I play mostly in two eras, I'll give both. And, from all the gun porn, I assume we're talking about the principle infantry weapon in terms of units issued, rather than a key weapon, or a specialized weapon (such as a support gun or so on).

Therefore, from the start of the Civil War (1890) until I say otherwise, the chief infantry weapon is the Arsenal Anfangsburg Model 1890 (Known as the AA-90) in 7.62x54mm. The bolt-action rifle has a five-round magazine and the 730mm barrel has a right-hand twist. From 1893 onward, the rifle was issued with stripper clips that soldiers could use to reload in combat. A specialized version was fitted with an optical sight with fixed crosshairs, though all but the longest-shot soldiers preferred the adjustable ladder sights.

During the Solidification Period (c1950 with a few years leeway to either side), the primary weapon had changed to an assault rifle - a selective-fire, drum fed weapon in 7.62x25 called the AAS-42 (for Arsenal Anfangsber Sturm). The weapon was produced in mass quantities during a relatively peaceful time, but would be superceded in actual warfare by later models, which did away with its time- and resource-intensive wooden stock.

The 7.62x25mm Tokarev isn't an assault rifle cartridge.

[Red Schrattal]

You're right. Technically, I suppose it's a selective-fire submachine gun.

[Yes Im Biop]

Could you build a magazine fed 60mm Mortar?

The Russians did with a 82mm mortar, 60mm should be easier.

However it will be heavy and expensive, but lulztastic.

What haven't the russians done?

[Black Hand]

The Russians did with a 82mm mortar, 60mm should be easier.

However it will be heavy and expensive, but lulztastic.

What haven't the russians done?

belt fed rocket launcher. Which now that I think about it would be perfect for you Biop, I was thinking a 70mm beltfed MG (rockets being modified CRV7's) with it still being a non rifled Barrel and open rear tube. our troops actually might be able to Carry Such a monstrosity And use it as a Emplaced weapon.

[Fischermann]

Regular misfire procedure? It's supposed to be the same as a regular cartridge - only that it doesn't eject.

Except that caseless propellants are too fragile to form a rim.

Special ''outer case'' propellant-disintegrating material that's strong enough to do so?

Just an idea, though. I think it'd make for an interesting spec ops round.

[Yes Im Biop]

What haven't the russians done?

belt fed rocket launcher. Which now that I think about it would be perfect for you Biop, I was thinking a 70mm beltfed MG (rockets being modified CRV7's) with it still being a non rifled Barrel and open rear tube. our troops actually might be able to Carry Such a monstrosity And use it as a Emplaced weapon.

Eh... I already have one... KInda.