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Postby San-Silvacian » Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:10 pm

European Prussia wrote:CAF Land Vehicles


Merkava

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Postby Virana » Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:23 pm

European Prussia wrote:CAF Land Vehicles

Could I ask why one of your IFVs is armed only with an ATGM launcher? "Infantry fighting vehicle" usually means it's supposed to fight infantry.
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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:24 pm

Virana wrote:
European Prussia wrote:CAF Land Vehicles

Could I ask why one of your IFVs is armed only with an ATGM launcher? "Infantry fighting vehicle" usually means it's supposed to fight infantry.

Everyone drives a tank! *flop*

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Postby Purpelia » Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:37 pm

What is with NS and the obsession with semi useless slow and non amphibious, non transportable, non mobile tank-IFV's?
Purpelia does not reflect my actual world views. In fact, the vast majority of Purpelian cannon is meant to shock and thus deliberately insane. I just like playing with the idea of a country of madmen utterly convinced that everyone else are the barbarians. So play along or not but don't ever think it's for real.



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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:38 pm

The Republic of Lanos wrote:
Virana wrote:Could I ask why one of your IFVs is armed only with an ATGM launcher? "Infantry fighting vehicle" usually means it's supposed to fight infantry.

Everyone drives a tank! *flop*

They do in Dragomere.
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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:39 pm

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:
The Republic of Lanos wrote:Everyone drives a tank! *flop*

They do in Dragomere.

Him? He's that bad?

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Postby Ea90 » Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:41 pm

Image
A Yanintovian production Fergana. The main armament is a 150mm L/42 smoothbore cannon and the coaxial and RWS are Model 50s.

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Postby San-Silvacian » Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:42 pm

The Republic of Lanos wrote:
Samozaryadnyastan wrote:They do in Dragomere.

Him? He's that bad?


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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:43 pm

The Republic of Lanos wrote:
Samozaryadnyastan wrote:They do in Dragomere.

Him? He's that bad?

Check the last few pages of Military Realism 3.

He trains all his infantry how to be artillery gunners and operate all positions of a tank.

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Postby Purpelia » Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:44 pm

Random question time. How would a newer used (was put into storage immediately after production and only now unpacked) BT-5 fare as a motorcar for civilians in the 1950's? The idea being that the army wanted to get rid of them all and just dumped them for a token price on the civilian market as motor cars after disarming them.
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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:46 pm

Purpelia wrote:Random question time. How would a newer used (was put into storage immediately after production and only now unpacked) BT-5 fare as a motorcar for civilians in the 1950's? The idea being that the army wanted to get rid of them all and just dumped them for a token price on the civilian market as motor cars after disarming them.

Not well.

They may be bloody fast, but remember they weighed over ten tons (more than a double-decker bus today) and would have been relatively unwieldy to operate for cars of the 30s and 40s, let alone the designs that the fifties would come to offer and lead into the sixties with.
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Postby Questers » Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:47 pm

Ea90 wrote:(Image)
A Yanintovian production Fergana. The main armament is a 150mm L/42 smoothbore cannon and the coaxial and RWS are Model 50s.
Well done. I thought you'd drop the autoloader system though, it's very specifically tailored to my needs - a Meggittesque system may be better.
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Postby Purpelia » Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:48 pm

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:Not well.

They may be bloody fast, but remember they weighed over ten tons (more than a double-decker bus today) and would have been relatively unwieldy to operate for cars of the 30s and 40s, let alone the designs that the fifties would come to offer and lead into the sixties with.

So bad handling and presumably a sucky mileage. What if I remove the turrets to save on weight? I can do that easily enough and there are always uses for spare turrets.
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Postby Questers » Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:48 pm

Purpelia wrote:What is with NS and the obsession with semi useless slow and non amphibious, non transportable, non mobile tank-IFV's?

its bigga so its betta!!!!!!!!!!!
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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:52 pm

Purpelia wrote:
Samozaryadnyastan wrote:Not well.

They may be bloody fast, but remember they weighed over ten tons (more than a double-decker bus today) and would have been relatively unwieldy to operate for cars of the 30s and 40s, let alone the designs that the fifties would come to offer and lead into the sixties with.

So bad handling and presumably a sucky mileage. What if I remove the turrets to save on weight? I can do that easily enough and there are always uses for spare turrets.

I don't think you'll save much more than a couple of tonnes and it won't exact help on the handling.

A military 400hp engine will be a bitch to live with compared to a regular auto engine of the period.
Noise concerns was probably the last design consideration if at all present, especially being Russian.
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Postby Purpelia » Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:54 pm

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:
Purpelia wrote:So bad handling and presumably a sucky mileage. What if I remove the turrets to save on weight? I can do that easily enough and there are always uses for spare turrets.

I don't think you'll save much more than a couple of tonnes and it won't exact help on the handling.

A military 400hp engine will be a bitch to live with compared to a regular auto engine of the period.
Noise concerns was probably the last design consideration if at all present, especially being Russian.

What if instead of cars I sold them as agricultural tractors?
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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:54 pm

Yes.
They might be a tad weighty, but it shouldn't be an undue problem.

Make sure you're selling them for less than tractors.
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Postby Bhelyant » Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:56 pm

Purpelia wrote:What is with NS and the obsession with semi useless slow and non amphibious, non transportable, non mobile tank-IFV's?


Perhaps some people want to prioritize armament and protection to better optimize an infantry fighting vehicle for fighting? Or perhaps it's the general trend for IFVs IRL, and it's amplified by the tendency people on NS have to making things more *everything?*

not that I've ever thought about a T-55 with an S-60...

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Postby Ea90 » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:25 pm

Questers wrote:Well done. I thought you'd drop the autoloader system though, it's very specifically tailored to my needs - a Meggittesque system may be better.

I've had some ideas of my own about auto loaders for a while. I think I'll try putting them into practise now.

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Postby Noders » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:17 pm

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Noders wrote:hover tank PMT Yes no? I'm talking about with high speed fans.


In which case why not just use a helicopter gunship? You're not going to gain any advantage with this vehicle. It won't be able to hide as well as a tank due to the fact that it's flying, and it won't have the speed of a helicopter due to the weight of the armour. Not to mention, it'll burn through fuel at a ludicrous rate trying to constantly stay in the air. The rotor blades will also be extremely vulnerable to attack. If your idea is to build a helicopter with firepower and protection of a tank, you'll be better off just building a tank. If your idea is a tank with the speed and manuverability of a helicopter, just build a helicopter.

Better to just pick one and stick with it.

you totally misunderstood where I was heading to. I was looking to use the chassis for amphibious ATGM platforms and AA platforms things with almost no weight next to a tank.
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Postby Noders » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:20 pm

European Prussia wrote:CAF Land Vehicles

tip when using RL vehicles don't just slap a new name on them and monkey around with the stats people here well swarm over you for things like that just use the real names. Your list to my eyes looks way to long but that's just me.
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Postby Questers » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:26 pm

Noders wrote:
European Prussia wrote:CAF Land Vehicles

tip when using RL vehicles don't just slap a new name on them and monkey around with the stats people here well swarm over you for things like that just use the real names. Your list to my eyes looks way to long but that's just me.
I don't think it's bad it's just ... eh, unremarkable. No reason why I or anyone else should comment on it.
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Postby Orussia » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:37 pm

San-Silvacian wrote:
European Prussia wrote:CAF Land Vehicles


Merkava

IFV

neop

Errrrrmmm...that's not a Merk.

That's a Swedish CV90-120.
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Postby Ea90 » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:45 pm

Orussia wrote:
San-Silvacian wrote:
Merkava

IFV

neop

Errrrrmmm...that's not a Merk.

That's a Swedish CV90-120.

I believe he's referring to the Garuda.

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