Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Mk.V

[Dostanuot Loj]

According to the late Richard Simpkin, it would take a 80-100kg shell to inflict a c-kill on a modern tank.

This is supported by tests done in Denmark with a Centurion tank, M107 shells and bomblets.
https://web.archive.org/web/20131002160 ... d_igen.htm

Tanks can prove surprisingly tough.
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This is a Centurion after two M107 shells and five L15 shells were detonated within 1-1.5 meters of the side of the tank. The armor was not penetrated by any fragments, and accelerometers indicated the crew would have survived. Obviously though this tank has been taken out of commission, in addition to the external damage to the running gear there was significant damage to equipment inside the tank.

Just a note. This is not direct hit. These are near hits, which are easily survivable by tanks. Testing done on direct hits has shown it to be a sure kill.

[United States of PA]

I was talking about direct hits, but still TKP, nice pic. Didn't know that close by burst could do that much damage.

The link im sure is great, but alas, stupid google translate isn't working for me at the moment uggh

[Yezidistan]

I'm thinking about basing all my tracked vehicles on the MT-LB/2S1 Gvodzika chassis. Frontline combat vehicles (tracked APCs and IFVs) will be a locally-designed vehicle, based on an up-armored 2S1 Gvodzika chassis and turbocharged diesel engine, a-la BMP-23. With applique armor packages, these vehicles should be able to achieve a workable level of protection. For other roles where the original MT-LB's thin armor is not an issue (ambulance, NBC reconnaissance vehicle, battery command vehicle, prime mover, artillery tractor, mortar carrier, SPAAG, SAM vehicle, etc.), the plethora of Soviet/WP variants of the original MT-LB will suffice. And of course, the 2S1 Gvodzika itself can serve as my main SPG (plus maybe MRLS variant, because MT-LB+Katyushas = badass). Basically anything I could want to do with a tracked APC, I can do with the MT-LB family. So I figure, why not simplify my supply chain and use it wherever I can. MT-LB is also nice for transport capacity and off-road mobility.

Good (or at least not totally retarded) idea, or should I stop and rethink this?

[New Vihenia]

Good (or at least not totally retarded) idea, or should I stop and rethink this?

Commonality is always good idea. Supposedly US FCS program are to base all tracked vehicle in single universal modular platform.

Anyway if you wish to go on this layout i suggest using Israel's solution.. using Merkava and Namer personnel carrier which based on it.

Other variants based on Merkava chassis looks feasible enough for me to go.

[Chedastan]

I modernized a Tiger II.

[Sevvania]

I modernized a Tiger II.

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It brings back fond memories of my very first attempt at Sevvanian armor.

[The Kievan People]

I was talking about direct hits, but still TKP, nice pic. Didn't know that close by burst could do that much damage.

The link im sure is great, but alas, stupid google translate isn't working for me at the moment uggh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH0FeGwR1uM

Well there are plenty of direct hits in this video. Even if they are on old tanks.

One thing that is clear is that a 155mm shell won't inflict serious damage on the tanks body even with a direct hit. If the tank is going to be defeated, it would be through internal damage.

[Imperializt Russia]

I was talking about direct hits, but still TKP, nice pic. Didn't know that close by burst could do that much damage.

The link im sure is great, but alas, stupid google translate isn't working for me at the moment uggh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH0FeGwR1uM

Well there are plenty of direct hits in this video. Even if they are on old tanks.

One thing that is clear is that a 155mm shell won't inflict serious damage on the tanks body even with a direct hit. If the tank is going to be defeated, it would be through internal damage.

Maj. (ret) Durham seems to believe that even near misses on tanks are still plenty lethal.
A seven-kilo HE warhead detonating on armour is likely to generate significant internal damage, else Krasnopol would probably have been fitted with a HEAT munition.

[The Greater Luthorian Empire]

I modernized a Tiger II.

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It brings back fond memories of my very first attempt at Sevvanian armor.

I might use something similar for my Colonial Guard. It isn't like I care too much for their survival, all I need is massive amounts of infantry, heavy artillery, and cheap or reused heavy tanks. Hell might have all their tanks be modified IS-1s and BT-2s. An inefficient fighting force, but it serves its job of slowing down the enemy and killing off the non-citizens that my nation doesn't care for.

[The Kievan People]

Samoz, he said it was almost guaranteed to take them out of action (m-kill, f-kill), which is completely true.

Krasnopol was a multipurpose weapon and a shaped charge would have compromised that. One of the points Durnham makes is that the then prevailing American model for artillery damage tended to discount anything but irreparable damage while the Soviets correctly realized that damage resulting in a mission kill could be just as valuable.

But the ultimate question is can the crew survive, and I think the answer is yes. As long as they have good seats.

[Orussia]

I modernized a Tiger II.

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Did someone say modernized Royal Tiger?

[Chedastan]

I modernized a Tiger II.

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Did someone say modernized Royal Tiger?

Okay then.

[Oaledonia]

You guys are all fascists

[United States of PA]

TKP: I have no doubt the crew would most likely survive (Gogogo thicker padding on the headrests). But i tend to simplify mission kills and capability kills and mobility kills and all the like down into just "vehicle kills" because i feel that in combat, it makes no difference between them. A detracked tank in my opinion is just as dead (most of the time anyways) in combat as a tank that would've somehow taken a direct hit from a Tomahawk.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I modernized a Tiger II.

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Did someone say modernized Royal Tiger?

That engine better be a Leopard 2 engine for moar capability to cope with the addon armour. :3

[The Kievan People]

TKP: I have no doubt the crew would most likely survive (Gogogo thicker padding on the headrests). But i tend to simplify mission kills and capability kills and mobility kills and all the like down into just "vehicle kills" because i feel that in combat, it makes no difference between them. A detracked tank in my opinion is just as dead (most of the time anyways) in combat as a tank that would've somehow taken a direct hit from a Tomahawk.

That is a fair point. While there is no difference on a tactical level, disabled is disabled, the main reason for focusing on crew kills is because tanks are like the cat. They come back.

[Imperializt Russia]

TKP: I have no doubt the crew would most likely survive (Gogogo thicker padding on the headrests). But i tend to simplify mission kills and capability kills and mobility kills and all the like down into just "vehicle kills" because i feel that in combat, it makes no difference between them. A detracked tank in my opinion is just as dead (most of the time anyways) in combat as a tank that would've somehow taken a direct hit from a Tomahawk.

That is a fair point. While there is no difference on a tactical level, disabled is disabled, the main reason for focusing on crew kills is because tanks are like the cat. They come back.

Then repel their assault and shell their broken tanks, surely?

[The Soodean Imperium]

I'm thinking about basing all my tracked vehicles on the MT-LB/2S1 Gvodzika chassis. Frontline combat vehicles (tracked APCs and IFVs) will be a locally-designed vehicle, based on an up-armored 2S1 Gvodzika chassis and turbocharged diesel engine, a-la BMP-23. With applique armor packages, these vehicles should be able to achieve a workable level of protection. For other roles where the original MT-LB's thin armor is not an issue (ambulance, NBC reconnaissance vehicle, battery command vehicle, prime mover, artillery tractor, mortar carrier, SPAAG, SAM vehicle, etc.), the plethora of Soviet/WP variants of the original MT-LB will suffice. And of course, the 2S1 Gvodzika itself can serve as my main SPG (plus maybe MRLS variant, because MT-LB+Katyushas = badass). Basically anything I could want to do with a tracked APC, I can do with the MT-LB family. So I figure, why not simplify my supply chain and use it wherever I can. MT-LB is also nice for transport capacity and off-road mobility.

Good (or at least not totally retarded) idea, or should I stop and rethink this?

I recommend you look into the MT-LBu. It's basically a bigger MT-LB, with room for more soldiers, equipment, or mounted weaponry. It has a higher profile and thinner armor, so I wouldn't recommend using it in any kind of combat role, but the Soviets used it as the basis for all kinds of support vehicles - artillery command post, mobile short-range radar, radio relay station, prime mover, and of course the 2S1 Gvozdika SPG.

[Yezidistan]

I'm thinking about basing all my tracked vehicles on the MT-LB/2S1 Gvodzika chassis. Frontline combat vehicles (tracked APCs and IFVs) will be a locally-designed vehicle, based on an up-armored 2S1 Gvodzika chassis and turbocharged diesel engine, a-la BMP-23. With applique armor packages, these vehicles should be able to achieve a workable level of protection. For other roles where the original MT-LB's thin armor is not an issue (ambulance, NBC reconnaissance vehicle, battery command vehicle, prime mover, artillery tractor, mortar carrier, SPAAG, SAM vehicle, etc.), the plethora of Soviet/WP variants of the original MT-LB will suffice. And of course, the 2S1 Gvodzika itself can serve as my main SPG (plus maybe MRLS variant, because MT-LB+Katyushas = badass). Basically anything I could want to do with a tracked APC, I can do with the MT-LB family. So I figure, why not simplify my supply chain and use it wherever I can. MT-LB is also nice for transport capacity and off-road mobility.

Good (or at least not totally retarded) idea, or should I stop and rethink this?

I recommend you look into the MT-LBu. It's basically a bigger MT-LB, with room for more soldiers, equipment, or mounted weaponry. It has a higher profile and thinner armor, so I wouldn't recommend using it in any kind of combat role, but the Soviets used it as the basis for all kinds of support vehicles - artillery command post, mobile short-range radar, radio relay station, prime mover, and of course the 2S1 Gvozdika SPG.

Considered using the MT-LBu, but the armor is absolutely pitiful. I mean, 10mm frontal arc? If a K bullet can penetrate your vehicle, you're doing something wrong. Plus, I'm already using the Gvozdika as the base for my APC and IFV. Maybe for specialized vehicles where internal space is at a premium (divisional communications, computers, maybe mobile radars) I'll still use it. Else, MT-LBv master race.

[Sevvania]

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You guys are all fascists

For what it's worth, my first Sevvanian armored vehicle was Stuart-based, and this has remained in service even after the King Tiger variant was retconned out of Sevvanian history.

[Val Nube]

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You guys are all fascists

What cannon is that packing?

[Oaledonia]

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You guys are all fascists

What cannon is that packing?

120mm

[San-Silvacian]

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wow cv90 you have a 40mm gun your gay this baby rocks manly 57mm fuck you guys

I know the AU-220 is pretty slender, but I can't help but feel your gun is a little thin for a 57mm piece.

Really? It feels like its in the 57mm range, though its a def 40mm at the least. Might make some weird 45mm caliber for :French:

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You guys are all fascists

wow T-62 suck it M-51-120 is here to freedom the day.

[New Tsavon]

Guys, I think I just found what inspired the Scorpion from Halo.

[The Torogian Collective]

Guys, I think I just found what inspired the Scorpion from Halo.

What is it and why does it exist?