Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Mk.V

[Purpelia]

Newer forget. French [item] = best [item]!

Revision, eight centimetres was not as big as I thought it was

As the link I provided shows, it was quite enough to tackle a T-34.

[Ea90]

I disagree. A 75mm HE shot to the tracks, turret ring or anything else on a tank would still mess it up just fine. And in the time of petrol fueled tanks with no spal liners things get interesting.

Nevermind, according to wiki AP shot from it could penetrate eight fucking centimetres of armour.

80mm is really not that much; for the time it's not bad at all, but modern 30mm APFSDS gets more than that.

[Registug]

Nevermind, according to wiki AP shot from it could penetrate eight fucking centimetres of armour.

80mm is really not that much; for the time it's not bad at all, but modern 30mm APFSDS gets more than that.

So I've found

I added an extra zero and thought it was 800mm of penetration

[New Vihenia]

30 Kg of HE shell....Can it do any harm to typical NSSupertanks ?

[Lydenburg]

30 Kg of HE shell....Can it do any harm to typical NSSupertanks ?

Sincerely doubt it.

[New Vihenia]

Sincerely doubt it.

Well it can at least damaging optics and messing external sensors i think.

[Ea90]

Sincerely doubt it.

Well it can at least damaging optics and messing external sensors i think.

Definitely.

[The Soodean Imperium]

Well it can at least damaging optics and messing external sensors i think.

Definitely.

Which, on an NS tank, means $10 million worth of precision radar arrays and multiple layers of active protection systems, as well as the commander's pintle-mounted 57mm autocannon.

[New Tsavon]

30 Kg of HE shell....Can it do any harm to typical NSSupertanks ?

You could probably mobility kill it or knock out the optics, but I'm not sure if it would do much more.

[New Vihenia]

You could probably mobility kill it or knock out the optics, but I'm not sure if it would do much more.

Well yeah... can't really expect more. for non penetrating HE. My 158mm gun firing that 30 Kg HE shell will also have APFSDS and guided missile for the job.

Though somehow.. torturing the enemy tank crew (With blast and shock) by continuously fire that 30 Kg HE seems more..profitable

[Lydenburg]

You could probably mobility kill it or knock out the optics, but I'm not sure if it would do much more.

Well yeah... can't really expect more. for non penetrating HE. My 158mm gun firing that 30 Kg HE shell will also have APFSDS and guided missile for the job.

Though somehow.. torturing the enemy tank crew (With blast and shock) by continuously fire that 30 Kg HE seems more..profitable

You have a 158mm gun capable of sinking a battleship. Should deal handily with most NS main battle wanks.

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

Well yeah... can't really expect more. for non penetrating HE. My 158mm gun firing that 30 Kg HE shell will also have APFSDS and guided missile for the job.

Though somehow.. torturing the enemy tank crew (With blast and shock) by continuously fire that 30 Kg HE seems more..profitable

You have a 158mm gun capable of sinking a battleship. Should deal handily with most NS main battle wanks.

158mm is hardly a battleship knocking gun. That is what the light cruisers had.

[Oaledonia]

That is what the light cruisers had.

Taffy-3

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

That is what the light cruisers had.

Taffy-3

Torpedoes... I know all about the battle. Plus they took out Heavy cruisers not battleships.

[Lydenburg]

You have a 158mm gun capable of sinking a battleship. Should deal handily with most NS main battle wanks.

158mm is hardly a battleship knocking gun. That is what the light cruisers had.

It's possible.

Can sink a frigate with one hit. And certainly damage - to varying degrees - anything heavier.

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

158mm is hardly a battleship knocking gun. That is what the light cruisers had.

It's possible.

Can sink a frigate with one hit. And certainly damage - to varying degrees - anything heavier.

It can not penetrate the belt armor of a battleship or even a battlecruiser. They were sinking the heavy cruisers due to torpedoes. Also some of the hits knocked out parts of the superstructure and that was just about it.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

158mm is hardly a battleship knocking gun. That is what the light cruisers had.

It's possible.

Can sink a frigate with one hit. And certainly damage - to varying degrees - anything heavier.

Define frigate, because I sincerely doubt you'll sink a Sachsen with one shot without resorting to a Harpoon.

[Lydenburg]

It's possible.

Can sink a frigate with one hit. And certainly damage - to varying degrees - anything heavier.

It can not penetrate the belt armor of a battleship or even a battlecruiser. They were sinking the heavy cruisers due to torpedoes. Also some of the hits knocked out parts of the superstructure and that was just about it.

Once read about what it would take for a hypothetical battery of coastal artillery to knock out an Iowa-class.

Score a few lucky shots and it's surprisingly easy.

[Lydenburg]

It's possible.

Can sink a frigate with one hit. And certainly damage - to varying degrees - anything heavier.

Define frigate, because I sincerely doubt you'll sink a Sachsen with one shot without resorting to a Harpoon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%27Estienne_d%27Orves-class_aviso

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

It can not penetrate the belt armor of a battleship or even a battlecruiser. They were sinking the heavy cruisers due to torpedoes. Also some of the hits knocked out parts of the superstructure and that was just about it.

Once read about what it would take for a hypothetical battery of coastal artillery to knock out an Iowa-class.

Score a few lucky shots and it's surprisingly easy.

A few lucky shots, through the deck, penetrate that magazine armour and detonate behind it. Yeah that'll happen.
And D'Estienne can be put out of commission by Royal Marines with Carl Gustavs, Sachsen is 6,500 tons, you won't sink that in one shot.

[Oaledonia]

even a battlecruiser.

Stalingrad-class?

[Lydenburg]

Once read about what it would take for a hypothetical battery of coastal artillery to knock out an Iowa-class.

Score a few lucky shots and it's surprisingly easy.

A few lucky shots, through the deck, penetrate that magazine armour and detonate behind it. Yeah that'll happen.
And D'Estienne can be put out of commission by Royal Marines with Carl Gustavs, Sachsen is 6,500 tons, you won't sink that in one shot.

Probably. The SANDF has/had operated the D'Estienne for a while, so at least I have some preliminary knowledge of that ("what pops into your mind when you hear 'frigate'?"). No clue about anything like a Sachsen.

[United States of PA]

That is what the light cruisers had.

Taffy-3

Which did not have a gun over 5in in the entire task force......

EDIT: To add something though, i remember Sumer saying (And reading reports elsewhere) that a direct hit from a 155mm SPH will destroy almost any tank, whether it be hitting it from above above, or a direct, front on hit against tanks like Abrams. He iirc also reiterated this when it came to MCA-7, though i could be wrong on the front hit part of that one.

[The Kievan People]

According to the late Richard Simpkin, it would take a 80-100kg shell to inflict a c-kill on a modern tank.

This is supported by tests done in Denmark with a Centurion tank, M107 shells and bomblets.
https://web.archive.org/web/20131002160 ... d_igen.htm

Tanks can prove surprisingly tough.

This is a Centurion after two M107 shells and five L15 shells were detonated within 1-1.5 meters of the side of the tank. The armor was not penetrated by any fragments, and accelerometers indicated the crew would have survived. Obviously though this tank has been taken out of commission, in addition to the external damage to the running gear there was significant damage to equipment inside the tank.

[Imperializt Russia]

According to the late Richard Simpkin, it would take a 80-100kg shell to inflict a c-kill on a modern tank.

This is supported by tests done in Denmark with a Centurion tank, M107 shells and bomblets.
https://web.archive.org/web/20131002160 ... d_igen.htm

Tanks can prove surprisingly tough.
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This is a Centurion after two M107 shells and five L15 shells were detonated within 1-1.5 meters of the side of the tank. The armor was not penetrated by any fragments, and accelerometers indicated the crew would have survived. Obviously though this tank has been taken out of commission, in addition to the external damage to the running gear there was significant damage to equipment inside the tank.

If it can't fight, it might as well be dead.
Could that tank have still fought?