Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Mk.V

[Anemos Major]

Yes. I think. My main problems were:

(1) I did not know that each round had its own cassette and was loaded into the cassette backwards. I thought they were stacked into the carousel individually and fed into one cassette.

(2) I did not realise the T-80 charge and shell were attached in that way.

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Aha, makes sense. And yep, that's it.

E: Finland. 'Might as well bring a machine-gun with us.'

[Questers]

Yes. I think. My main problems were:

(1) I did not know that each round had its own cassette and was loaded into the cassette backwards. I thought they were stacked into the carousel individually and fed into one cassette.

(2) I did not realise the T-80 charge and shell were attached in that way.

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Aha, makes sense. And yep, that's it.

wait. The charge's part of the cassette is attached to the tank by a pivot also, isn't it? I mean otherwise how do you ensure (1) it goes on the same path each time (2) it doesn't fly off and smack someone in the face?

[Anemos Major]

wait. The charge's part of the cassette is attached to the tank by a pivot also, isn't it? I mean otherwise how do you ensure (1) it goes on the same path each time (2) it doesn't fly off and smack someone in the face?

From what I gather, there's a forward arm and a rear 'slide' that lock it into the same position and same movement every time.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

This is why I can into Light tanks

Lighter tanks. To be honest, 20t is the upper limit for effective airdrops.

Oh come on.

I'm quite confused with the ZBD2000 (26 T) - I clearly remember the Wiki article specifically mentioning airborne capability, and it is listed as an airborne IFV on the Wiki afv-by-country list. But now the airborne" bit is gone from the article and it seems keywords such as "airborne", "airdrop", "para", etc are nowhere to be found even in the article's sources. Maybe it was all a misunderstanding and someone mistook "amphibious" for "airborne" Idk. If it is in fact air drop-able then it's the heaviest such vehicle afaik

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Yes. I think. My main problems were:

(1) I did not know that each round had its own cassette and was loaded into the cassette backwards. I thought they were stacked into the carousel individually and fed into one cassette.

(2) I did not realise the T-80 charge and shell were attached in that way.

(Image)

Aha, makes sense. And yep, that's it.

E: Finland. 'Might as well bring a machine-gun with us.'

Why the underbelly hatch???
Why don't they have decent PDWs???
Why do they feel the need to use their personal weapons when the coax or commander's MG should be used???
Why can't the tank pop smoke through dischargers and the guy that picks the short straw has to???

Why? Why? WHY FINLAND. WHY?

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

..and... why is everyone obsessed with carousel autoloaders? Everyone knows they're inferior to bustles

[Anemos Major]

Why the underbelly hatch???
Why don't they have decent PDWs???
Why do they feel the need to use their personal weapons when the coax or commander's MG should be used???
Why can't the tank pop smoke through dischargers and the guy that picks the short straw has to???

Why? Why? WHY FINLAND. WHY?

The base Leopard 2 has an escape hatch. :S Not exactly just Finland.

Not every Leopard 2A4 in the FDF is equipped with pintle mounted MGs on exercises, and throwing one smoke grenade during a simulated escape is a lot cheaper than popping all the multipurpose launchers on a tank. As for the PDWs, the FDF doesn't really have one, and probably won't for a while; Valmet happened to make a rifle with a folding stock before they were sold off, which suits the crewmen's purposes. I just found it interesting that they also have a few PKMs stored in there as well.

[Kouralia]

Why the underbelly hatch???
Why don't they have decent PDWs???
Why do they feel the need to use their personal weapons when the coax or commander's MG should be used???
Why can't the tank pop smoke through dischargers and the guy that picks the short straw has to???

Why? Why? WHY FINLAND. WHY?

The base Leopard 2 has an escape hatch. :S Not exactly just Finland.

Not every Leopard 2A4 in the FDF is equipped with pintle mounted MGs on exercises, and throwing one smoke grenade during a simulated escape is a lot cheaper than popping all the multipurpose launchers on a tank. As for the PDWs, the FDF doesn't really have one, and probably won't for a while; Valmet happened to make a rifle with a folding stock before they were sold off, which suits the crewmen's purposes. I just found it interesting that they also have a few PKMs stored in there as well.

Does the escape hatch have significant down-sides? If not, I really want to have this happen in an RP, and for like all three crew members to be rocking GPMGs when they dismount.

[Questers]

More proof of how lame the Leopard Gay A 4 is.

[Kouralia]

More proof of how lame the Leopard Gay A 4 is.

eww ur what about the T-80, or rather the T Gay-ty

D:<

[Questers]

The T-72 is the best tank in the world.

[Kouralia]

The T-72 is the best tank in the world.

Feck... You can't take Seventy Two and fit 'gay' into it...

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

The T-72 is the best tank in the world.

thank you captain obvious.

It really is.

[Anemos Major]

Does the escape hatch have significant down-sides? If not, I really want to have this happen in an RP, and for like all three crew members to be rocking GPMGs when they dismount.

Not really. Plenty of tanks have them, they're just not talked about that often.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

at least the finns got their aks right, not like the jew boys.

an interesting mix of equipment indeed. Norway must be the complete polar opposite of this, no?

[Kouralia]

at least the finns got their aks right, not like the jew boys.

an interesting mix of equipment indeed. Norway must be the complete polar opposite of this, no?

The Racist Door has just been opened.

[Purpelia]

Here is a PMT FT random question that just popped into my mind. Or rather, a theorem. I need you to tell me if it stands or fails.

Assumptions (are they right?):
1. The explosives inside the warheads of modern munitions rarely if ever cook off. It's the propellant that's the problem. Thus the worst thing that can happen if a storage for shells without propellant is hit would be that the tank now suddenly has no ammo to fire back with.
2. The place where a hit is least likely on a tank is the center of the hull, under the turret. Right where the Russians put their autoloaders.

Conclusion:
- On a PMT/FT tank which uses a railgun and thus has no propellant to worry about a carousel autoloader is actually more optimal as it protects the shells from enemy attacks, whilst the lack of propellant renders it safe to use. And the much smaller overall profile helps the tank as well.

So, T/F?

[Imperializt Russia]

These videos are helpful NOW that I understand the key factor that the shell and the charge are attached in a one-piece pivot. I've never seen that explained. There's only one thing remaining: how does the ammunition enter those two pieces? It seems like it physically can't go into the pivot sideways...

Funnily enough I found the T-72 system MUCH easier to understand.

I've not been following this line of questioning fully, so I'm not sure what the query here is, but from what I can gather the propellant is loaded with the base facing upwards. The round looks a bit like this in its stored state.



What essentially happens during the pivot motion is that it's less scissors and more like an extending arm - as the first piece enters its loading cycle and swings upwards to enter the gun breech, the extension of the portion of the loading 'cradle' that carries the forward portion of the round folds the unit out and both pulls the propellant out to a horizontal positioning and creates a shaft of sorts along which the propellant can be rammed into the breech of the gun.

I think so, at least, and that should answer your question. Bear in mind that the ammunition isn't in this fully vertical state before loading, with the forward piece kept in the horizontal position as shown above when in the autoloader (to save space) - the forward piece is brought up to the vertical position prior to being loaded, from what I can gather.

Take your forearm and fold it up vertically along your upper arm, and try swinging it upwards in the same motion as the forward portion of the T-80's autoloading cycle, and it should make sense.

How does that pneumatic arm get beneath the shell portion of the cassette to raise it from horizontal to vertical for the loading swing?
From the apparent range of motion of its control arm, I can't see how it could possibly connect.

seen that one too (and if you watch the video, the charges are horribly exposed - I dont know if this system is actually better than the T-72s) but look at the schematic of how the autoloader works, it only shows the charge in place, not where it is during the swinging motion, which you can't determine from other pictures.

They do seem more exposed, certainly a larger target than the T-72 type loader. But I suppose that's the price you pay for longer penetrators and larger shells for more capable ammunition.

Then again, Soviet tanks have always been big on the qualities of Don't Be Seen and Don't Be Penetrated.

Why the underbelly hatch???
Why don't they have decent PDWs???
Why do they feel the need to use their personal weapons when the coax or commander's MG should be used???
Why can't the tank pop smoke through dischargers and the guy that picks the short straw has to???

Why? Why? WHY FINLAND. WHY?

The base Leopard 2 has an escape hatch. :S Not exactly just Finland.

Not every Leopard 2A4 in the FDF is equipped with pintle mounted MGs on exercises, and throwing one smoke grenade during a simulated escape is a lot cheaper than popping all the multipurpose launchers on a tank. As for the PDWs, the FDF doesn't really have one, and probably won't for a while; Valmet happened to make a rifle with a folding stock before they were sold off, which suits the crewmen's purposes. I just found it interesting that they also have a few PKMs stored in there as well.

Whoah whoah, a few PKMs?

at least the finns got their aks right, not like the jew boys.

an interesting mix of equipment indeed. Norway must be the complete polar opposite of this, no?

The Racist Door has just been opened.

"Please be Frankie Boyle, please be Frankie Boyle, please be Frankie Boy-
YES"

[Anemos Major]

How does that pneumatic arm get beneath the shell portion of the cassette to raise it from horizontal to vertical for the loading swing?
From the apparent range of motion of its control arm, I can't see how it could possibly connect.

The arm is there to guide the swing - I'm fairly sure the cassette raises itself into the vertical position. Bear in mind that there're cassettes like this for every round - unless the cassettes can raise themselves to the vertical position, there'd need to be a rotating arm for each one of them.

I reiterate - Soviet tanks aren't my area of expertise, I'm not that well acquainted with the T-80s autoloader. Just its basic workings and occasional bits of the more specific parts of the autoloader and the loading procedure.

In other news, I think I might have to go ETC with the HT9A8 :C

[Anemos Major]

at least the finns got their aks right, not like the jew boys.

an interesting mix of equipment indeed. Norway must be the complete polar opposite of this, no?

'Jew boys'? :/

Not all Israelis are Jewish, not all Jews are Israelis. Get that into your head.

[Imperializt Russia]

How does that pneumatic arm get beneath the shell portion of the cassette to raise it from horizontal to vertical for the loading swing?
From the apparent range of motion of its control arm, I can't see how it could possibly connect.

The arm is there to guide the swing - I'm fairly sure the cassette raises itself into the vertical position. Bear in mind that there're cassettes like this for every round - unless the cassettes can raise themselves to the vertical position, there'd need to be a rotating arm for each one of them.

I reiterate - Soviet tanks aren't my area of expertise, I'm not that well acquainted with the T-80s autoloader. Just its basic workings and occasional bits of the more specific parts of the autoloader and the loading procedure.

In other news, I think I might have to go ETC with the HT9A8 :C

Nah, I reckon it'd make plenty of sense for there to be this one pneumatic arm (since it's the loading arm), and then it raises each cassette individually. From the diagrams, I can't really see a self-loading mechanism or capability on the cassette.

Though, a self-loading capability would be pretty useful, since the cassette could fold itself, the pneumatic portion of the loading arm stabilises it ready for loading and then the entire loading arm actions.

As for ETC, I'm planning on having late-model T-108 125mm and 152mm guns with ETC - though I'm using it primarily to get consistent burns and relatively minor performance increases than DIE EVERYTHING.
I need some power left over for the ATGM RWS, autocannon RWS, optics, softkill suite, hardkill suite, IED jammer, lolpowerful autoloader...

[Anemos Major]

Nah, I reckon it'd make plenty of sense for there to be this one pneumatic arm (since it's the loading arm), and then it raises each cassette individually. From the diagrams, I can't really see a self-loading mechanism or capability on the cassette.

Though, a self-loading capability would be pretty useful, since the cassette could fold itself, the pneumatic portion of the loading arm stabilises it ready for loading and then the entire loading arm actions.

As for ETC, I'm planning on having late-model T-108 125mm and 152mm guns with ETC - though I'm using it primarily to get consistent burns and relatively minor performance increases than DIE EVERYTHING.
I need some power left over for the ATGM RWS, autocannon RWS, optics, softkill suite, hardkill suite, IED jammer, lolpowerful autoloader...

But it can't - for that to happen, the pneumatic arm would have to slide under the carousel, so to speak, given the configuration of the autoloader and the cassettes in their 'idle' position. Bit difficult, that.

I look forward to seeing it ^_^

[Imperializt Russia]

Well, that's why I was thinking had to happen anyway, if that arm is what raises the cassette.

What I need to do now is learn Russian and enlist in the Russian Ground Forces.
This will solve all our problems.

[Ragnarum]

The T-72 is the best tank in the world.

Is this... No...

Satire? Sarcasm?

Its very hard to tell over the internet.

[Imperializt Russia]

The T-72 is the best tank in the world.

Is this... No...

Satire?

Its very hard to tell over the internet.

Cheap, simple, widely proliferated, easy to upgrade, highly useful in its intended purpose as part of a massive combined arms formation.