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Postby Anemos Major » Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:50 am

E: For Sumer/Dostanuot Loj's benefit, since I vaguely remember him saying something about his not-Leopard and an SPH variant.

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Imperializt Russia wrote:It appears to make no real mention of the T-90, and states how the T-64 autoloader would not fit in the T-72 hull.

Though I figured that the autoloader carousel would be entirely contained within the turret basket, so if the T-72 can take the T-80 turret, surely it can take the T-64/80 autoloader? Unless, of course, the mating is of a T-72 basket within the turret ring to the T-80's actual turret.


Whereas on the T-64-series autoloader's description, he explicitly states that the T-90 has received a 'similar advancement in autoloader logic', but nothing about the T-90 utilising the same pattern of autoloaders. Reference is made to the T-90 on the T-72's autoloader page in more tacit terms that seem to suggest that they share a similar basic design; there's nothing explicit here, and I may well be wrong - that is, regardless, what you'll get if you read between the lines.

I vaguely remember people saying something about how the T-90 is a T-72 mated with a T-80's turret - is this what you're referring to? Because that's a wild oversimplification, and effectively untrue.
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Postby United States of PA » Sun Dec 22, 2013 11:54 am

I've always heard it simplified that the T-90 is a T-72 with the electronics suite off of a T-80B (I believe)
In other words, conservatives are generous with their own money, and liberals are generous with other peoples money.
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Postby Anemos Major » Sun Dec 22, 2013 11:58 am

United States of PA wrote:I've always heard it simplified that the T-90 is a T-72 with the electronics suite off of a T-80B (I believe)


And a bit more - armour (the T-90 adopted some of the later generation ERA of the time that had previously been cycled around exclusively to first line T-80 equipped formations) and a new gun in particular. The T-90A is a fairly different beast, mind - from the turret (a new model, but not the T-80s, contrary to popular expectation) and gun to the engine and electronics, they actually overhauled quite a lot.
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Postby United States of PA » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:01 pm

i forgot about the gun and engine. I also think everywhere i heard about that from referred to early T-90s.

I also dont count ERA as a true upgrade to a tank since you can add that stuff onto almost anything.
In other words, conservatives are generous with their own money, and liberals are generous with other peoples money.
"I object and take exception to everyone saying that Obama and Congress are spending money like a drunken sailor. As a former drunken sailor, I quit when I ran out of money." ~ Unknown
"See, it doesn't matter how many people you have, how old your civilization is, or any such tripe. We're still the by-God US of A and we will seriously bitch slap you so hard your ancestors going back millenia will feel it if you piss us off."

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Postby Anemos Major » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:18 pm

United States of PA wrote:i forgot about the gun and engine. I also think everywhere i heard about that from referred to early T-90s.

I also dont count ERA as a true upgrade to a tank since you can add that stuff onto almost anything.


With the Soviets and Russians, protective improvements, even if it is bolt-on ERA, generally incited new designations (i.e. T-80B -> T-80BV), so from a designation point of view it'd be included in the overall scheme of what a Russian tank 'upgrade' constitutes. It's a perfectly valid point, mind, just not the line of thought the tanks' users subscribed to.

Early T-90s used an improved gun (mentioned that above), but the engine upgrade was just a vaguely modified version of that already used on the T-72B (I think it was the B) - it took it until the T-90A to give the T-90 a properly uprated engine.

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Postby United States of PA » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:25 pm

Alright thanks.
In other words, conservatives are generous with their own money, and liberals are generous with other peoples money.
"I object and take exception to everyone saying that Obama and Congress are spending money like a drunken sailor. As a former drunken sailor, I quit when I ran out of money." ~ Unknown
"See, it doesn't matter how many people you have, how old your civilization is, or any such tripe. We're still the by-God US of A and we will seriously bitch slap you so hard your ancestors going back millenia will feel it if you piss us off."

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Postby Anemos Major » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:36 pm

United States of PA wrote:Alright thanks.


No problem.



For those peeps who like the AMX-10RC as much as I do, here's a 40mm CTA variant they did earlier:

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Postby Novorden » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:40 pm

that roof looks as clustered as one of my tanks. :p

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Postby Immoren » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:41 pm

Anemos Major wrote:
United States of PA wrote:Alright thanks.


No problem.



For those peeps who like the AMX-10RC as much as I do, here's a 40mm CTA variant they did earlier:

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Why I am always imagining AMX-10RC futily trying to drive itself out of the mudpit? :P
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Postby Anemos Major » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:43 pm

Immoren wrote:Why I am always imagining AMX-10RC futily trying to drive itself out of the mudpit? :P


Your wildest dreams are no match for *this* 280hp engine! ;)

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Postby United States of PA » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:50 pm

So sad that i can get so much more out of a Duramax or a 5.9 cummins lol
In other words, conservatives are generous with their own money, and liberals are generous with other peoples money.
"I object and take exception to everyone saying that Obama and Congress are spending money like a drunken sailor. As a former drunken sailor, I quit when I ran out of money." ~ Unknown
"See, it doesn't matter how many people you have, how old your civilization is, or any such tripe. We're still the by-God US of A and we will seriously bitch slap you so hard your ancestors going back millenia will feel it if you piss us off."

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Postby Lydenburg » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:51 pm

Anemos Major wrote:
Immoren wrote:Why I am always imagining AMX-10RC futily trying to drive itself out of the mudpit? :P


Your wildest dreams are no match for *this* 280hp engine! ;)

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If only the bloody thing wasn't so expensive. It's what the Foreign Legion replaced the EBRs with, and the cost difference will blow your mind.

Ek bly in Australie nou, maar Afrika sal altyd in my hart wees. Maak nie saak wat gebeur nie, ek is trots om te kan sê ek is 'n kind van hierdie ingewikkelde soms wrede kontinent. Mis jou altyd my Suid-Afrika, hier met n seer hart al die pad van Melbourne af!


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Postby DnalweN acilbupeR » Sun Dec 22, 2013 1:00 pm

Lydenburg wrote:
Anemos Major wrote:
Your wildest dreams are no match for *this* 280hp engine! ;)

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If only the bloody thing wasn't so expensive. It's what the Foreign Legion replaced the EBRs with, and the cost difference will blow your mind.


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Postby Anemos Major » Sun Dec 22, 2013 1:01 pm

Lydenburg wrote:If only the bloody thing wasn't so expensive. It's what the Foreign Legion replaced the EBRs with, and the cost difference will blow your mind.


(not fair, that applies to all sorts of modern materiel procurement D:)

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Postby Immoren » Sun Dec 22, 2013 1:03 pm

Anemos Major wrote:
Immoren wrote:Why I am always imagining AMX-10RC futily trying to drive itself out of the mudpit? :P


Your wildest dreams are no match for *this* 280hp engine! ;)

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I wonder if those ~40hp matter so much. Or because it don't have hydropneumatic suspension. Or because our crew wasn't bold enough. but we had always some probablems with out XA-180 when pools started to form on tracks. :P
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discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there

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Postby Dostanuot Loj » Sun Dec 22, 2013 1:29 pm

Anemos Major wrote:E: For Sumer/Dostanuot Loj's benefit, since I vaguely remember him saying something about his not-Leopard and an SPH variant.

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GCT Master race.

I was either thinking that, the Palmyria, or SP-70 turret. In descending level of interest.

Also, any info on that new turret? It has sticken my fancy.
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Postby Anemos Major » Sun Dec 22, 2013 1:30 pm

Dostanuot Loj wrote:GCT Master race.

I was either thinking that, the Palmyria, or SP-70 turret. In descending level of interest.

Also, any info on that new turret? It has sticken my fancy.


GCT on a Leo 1's chassis, no less. The image is practically ready to drive onto the sales market ;P

Which new turret's that? Plenty of those going around.

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Postby Immoren » Sun Dec 22, 2013 1:44 pm

I was wondering. In some mech/armoured recce platoons have 6 or even 8 vehicles and I was wondering. If I were to give some light infantry battle groups tank support and instead of whole companies, there would be "independent" platoons, would there be any point for going 6 vehicle tank platoons instead of traditional 3/4/5 vehicles? :P
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discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there

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Postby Anemos Major » Sun Dec 22, 2013 1:48 pm

Immoren wrote:I was wondering. In some mech/armoured recce platoons have 6 or even 8 vehicles and I was wondering. If I were to give some light infantry battle groups tank support and instead of whole companies, there would be "independent" platoons, would there be any point for going 6 vehicle tank platoons instead of traditional 3/4/5 vehicles? :P


Has five become traditional? :S

I may well have to abandon integers in my pursuit of tactical hipsterdom...

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Postby Immoren » Sun Dec 22, 2013 1:52 pm

Anemos Major wrote:
Immoren wrote:I was wondering. In some mech/armoured recce platoons have 6 or even 8 vehicles and I was wondering. If I were to give some light infantry battle groups tank support and instead of whole companies, there would be "independent" platoons, would there be any point for going 6 vehicle tank platoons instead of traditional 3/4/5 vehicles? :P


Has five become traditional? :S

I may well have to abandon integers in my pursuit of tactical hipsterdom...


I why wouldn't it be traditional if it's been used almost as long as tanks have been fielded? :P
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discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there

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Postby Kouralia » Sun Dec 22, 2013 1:53 pm

"So... Yeah. High command says we have to outfit each of our platoons with three tanks, and then use some gaffer tape to attach a power pack on a trailer to the back of the commander's one."
"...Why?"
"Apparently having 3.25 tanks per platoon is likely to be the next tactical innovation."
Kouralia:

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Postby Immoren » Sun Dec 22, 2013 1:54 pm

Kouralia wrote:"So... Yeah. High command says we have to outfit each of our platoons with three tanks, and then use some gaffer tape to attach a power pack on a trailer to the back of the commander's one."
"...Why?"
"Apparently having 3.25 tanks per platoon is likely to be the next tactical innovation."


Oh you.
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discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there

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Postby Kouralia » Sun Dec 22, 2013 1:59 pm

Immoren wrote:
Kouralia wrote:"So... Yeah. High command says we have to outfit each of our platoons with three tanks, and then use some gaffer tape to attach a power pack on a trailer to the back of the commander's one."
"...Why?"
"Apparently having 3.25 tanks per platoon is likely to be the next tactical innovation."


Oh you.

People always seem to slalom wildly between 'acting like they expect me to be slightly off-kilter' and 'being surprised that I do the things I do'. Like Midlonia, who seemed surprised (and slightly concerned) that I use crossed bayonets in my Officers' rank insignia.
Kouralia:

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Postby Lydenburg » Sun Dec 22, 2013 2:28 pm

Anemos Major wrote:
Lydenburg wrote:If only the bloody thing wasn't so expensive. It's what the Foreign Legion replaced the EBRs with, and the cost difference will blow your mind.


(not fair, that applies to all sorts of modern materiel procurement D:)


It's not even air-portable like the AML, is it?

Ek bly in Australie nou, maar Afrika sal altyd in my hart wees. Maak nie saak wat gebeur nie, ek is trots om te kan sê ek is 'n kind van hierdie ingewikkelde soms wrede kontinent. Mis jou altyd my Suid-Afrika, hier met n seer hart al die pad van Melbourne af!


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Postby Anemos Major » Sun Dec 22, 2013 2:32 pm

Lydenburg wrote:
Anemos Major wrote:
(not fair, that applies to all sorts of modern materiel procurement D:)


It's not even air-portable like the AML, is it?


It doesn't need to be - the lighter armour role is filled by the Sagaie.

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