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The Kievan People
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Postby Risen Britannia » Sat Jul 20, 2013 2:43 pm

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:Why'd you lose the bore extractor?

It's the bulge in the barrel close to the hull

It's from my MBT
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Postby Saphirasia » Sat Jul 20, 2013 2:59 pm

I have a question then, Arby. Why do you have a similarly sized gun on the assault gun version? One of the major advantages of an assault gun is that you can realistically mount a much larger gun on a chassis that normally would be unable to carry it in a turret.

For example, my Orussian designs.
The medium MBT mounts a 122mm L/56. The assault gun on that same chassis mounts a 152mm L/48, and it's only 2 tons heavier.
My heavy MBT mounts a soft-recoil version of the 152 L/48, but the assault gun version has a 180mm L/46.

I mean, I'm not saying you NEED to do it. Just to me, the tank can do exactly everything the assault gun can do, but it has the restriction of a fixed gun. So give the assault gun the advantage of having a bigger gun. :P
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I have fast hands.

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Postby The Kievan People » Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:11 pm

Saphirasia wrote:I have a question then, Arby. Why do you have a similarly sized gun on the assault gun version? One of the major advantages of an assault gun is that you can realistically mount a much larger gun on a chassis that normally would be unable to carry it in a turret.

For example, my Orussian designs.
The medium MBT mounts a 122mm L/56. The assault gun on that same chassis mounts a 152mm L/48, and it's only 2 tons heavier.
My heavy MBT mounts a soft-recoil version of the 152 L/48, but the assault gun version has a 180mm L/46.

I mean, I'm not saying you NEED to do it. Just to me, the tank can do exactly everything the assault gun can do, but it has the restriction of a fixed gun. So give the assault gun the advantage of having a bigger gun. :P


If a tank cannot handle a 180mm gun in its turret, it cannot handle it in the superstructure. Unless you do something else to mitigate recoil.
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Postby Saphirasia » Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:18 pm

The Kievan People wrote:If a tank cannot handle a 180mm gun in its turret, it cannot handle it in the superstructure. Unless you do something else to mitigate recoil.

*Looks at his 180mm gun*
*Hides the 4-baffle muzzle brake*
Nope, nothing to see here. :D
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Saphirasia wrote:
Soxastan wrote:...then how did you get 1TB of pony in about an hour, maybe less?

I have fast hands.

Immoren wrote:Saphirasia and his ICBCPs (inter continental ballistic cattle prod)

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Postby The Kievan People » Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:30 pm

A monster gun like a 180mm gun definitely is easier to cram into a fixed mount, but recoil is still mostly a matter of weight and the length of the stroke.
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Postby Questers » Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:33 pm

edit: im dumb irl
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Postby Risen Britannia » Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:36 pm

I may add a large bore HE lobber in the future, but for me when you start needing something +155mm for direct fire, I use a missile.
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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:38 pm

Questers wrote:edit: im dumb irl

I don't see how because your statement was at least broadly true.
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Postby Questers » Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:38 pm

Lubyak wrote:Note. This is not to say that modern militaries should be ignored. Just because they're changing to focus more on low intensity war doesn't mean that they wouldn't know how to deal with a Soviet motor rifle division bearing down on them.
Yea it does if they haven't been trained for it.

One thing we're not also not training/preparing for anymore - lots of fucking ECM everywhere.
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Postby Questers » Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:39 pm

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:
Questers wrote:edit: im dumb irl

I don't see how because your statement was at least broadly true.
I just woke up wth a hangover and thought I posted it on the wrong thread. Then it turns out I didn't. :palm:
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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:40 pm

Questers wrote:
Samozaryadnyastan wrote:I don't see how because your statement was at least broadly true.
I just woke up wth a hangover and thought I posted it on the wrong thread. Then it turns out I didn't. :palm:

There's a solution to this.
Pick the bottle back up.
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Postby Ea90 » Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:40 pm

Questers wrote:I just woke up wth a hangover and thought I posted it on the wrong thread. Then it turns out I didn't. :palm:

Do you ever post when you're not either drunk or hungover? :p

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Postby Questers » Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:45 pm

Ea90 wrote:
Questers wrote:I just woke up wth a hangover and thought I posted it on the wrong thread. Then it turns out I didn't. :palm:

Do you ever post when you're not either drunk or hungover? :p
Yes tbh, I don't drink in the week anymore. :o I am Recovered.
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Postby Saphirasia » Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:07 pm

Risen Britannia wrote:I may add a large bore HE lobber in the future, but for me when you start needing something +155mm for direct fire, I use a missile.

Meh. Large-bore HE shells are rather less interceptable.

That, and HEAT shells get absurd amounts of penetration when you start going over 150mm.
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Soxastan wrote:...then how did you get 1TB of pony in about an hour, maybe less?

I have fast hands.

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Postby Rich and Corporations » Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:59 pm

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:
Rich and Corporations wrote:It actually says the power pack is 1099 mm x 414 mm x 440 mm = 200 liters
I don't even know how you manage to be this wrong.


I'd like to see you try and fit some bustle stowage around that or move a box over a metre in length elsewhere in an existing turret.

Considering that NS tank rounds are also roughly a meter in length....
I don't understand your point. I mean, it's the size of four tank rounds as well as part clearances for them.


And that tank you linked? It's a light tank. Not a MBT.
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Postby New Tsavon » Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:22 pm

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Nice.

It doesn't look like a modern S-tank. Not at all. Stop looking at me like that.
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Postby San-Silvacian » Sat Jul 20, 2013 6:01 pm

Questers wrote:edit: im dumb irl


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Postby Transnapastain » Sat Jul 20, 2013 6:19 pm

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:
Questers wrote: I just woke up wth a hangover and thought I posted it on the wrong thread. Then it turns out I didn't. :palm:

There's a solution to this.
Pick the bottle back up.


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Postby A Hooloovoo » Sat Jul 20, 2013 8:42 pm

Might seem like a stupid question but does a Stuart have any chance at killing a Tiger or Panther?
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Postby Registug » Sat Jul 20, 2013 8:47 pm

A Hooloovoo wrote:Might seem like a stupid question but does a Stuart have any chance at killing a Tiger or Panther?

If it lands on top of one

If it can somehow get a shot through an open hatch

If it gets a lucky shell to somehow go down the exhaust pipe

If a squad of soldiers ride on top of it until it gets next to the tiger then jump onto the tiger and forcibly kill the occupants
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Postby San-Silvacian » Sat Jul 20, 2013 8:57 pm

A Hooloovoo wrote:Might seem like a stupid question but does a Stuart have any chance at killing a Tiger or Panther?


A series of magical events would need to transpire for such an event to happen.
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Postby Oaledonia » Sat Jul 20, 2013 8:59 pm

San-Silvacian wrote:
A Hooloovoo wrote:Might seem like a stupid question but does a Stuart have any chance at killing a Tiger or Panther?


A series of magical events would need to transpire for such an event to happen.

*pokes on shoulder*
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*Point's at back of turret*
"The place.... where the shells are discarded...."
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Postby A Hooloovoo » Sat Jul 20, 2013 8:59 pm

Well I mean the Panther did have relatively poor side armour that the 37mm M6 might be able to pen at close range. I know a Stuart would get annihilated in an open field against most tanks, but in a city could the Stuart stand a chance?
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Postby San-Silvacian » Sat Jul 20, 2013 9:01 pm

Oaledonia wrote:
San-Silvacian wrote:
A series of magical events would need to transpire for such an event to happen.

*pokes on shoulder*
"Huh?"
*Point's at back of turret*
"The place.... where the shells are discarded...."


They also used the 75mm along with the 37mm.

A Hooloovoo wrote:Well I mean the Panther did have relatively poor side armour that the 37mm M6 might be able to pen at close range. I know a Stuart would get annihilated in an open field against most tanks, but in a city could the Stuart stand a chance?


Not rly, it would have to hit the rear, but then the threat of infantry would cancel it would. Also sending a Stuart into a city wut.

Even 75mm armed Shermans needed to get rly close to smash a Panther's side armor.
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Saphirasia
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Ex-Nation

Postby Saphirasia » Sat Jul 20, 2013 9:02 pm

Oaledonia wrote:
San-Silvacian wrote:
A series of magical events would need to transpire for such an event to happen.

*pokes on shoulder*
"Huh?"
*Point's at back of turret*
"The place.... where the shells are discarded...."

>facepalm
Wouldn't work quite the same with a Panther. :P
Vitaphone Racing wrote:You can do some really incredible stuff in your kitchen. And I'm talking more than just a phenomenal sandwich.

Shanix wrote:Somepony really took the time of their MLP to do life?

Olthar wrote:I prefer "I Came, I Saw, I Came Again."

Rupudska wrote:Except Nightkill, of course. Nightkill has obtained a level of badassery where his pants depart his legs of their own accord.

Saphirasia wrote:
Soxastan wrote:...then how did you get 1TB of pony in about an hour, maybe less?

I have fast hands.

Immoren wrote:Saphirasia and his ICBCPs (inter continental ballistic cattle prod)

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