Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Mk.V

[Noders]

Sooo it's an IFV? APC? Besides being a Tank

The Merkava cannot hold eight passengers.
It can't even carry four. Not if it wants to fight.

The thing about the Merkava is that while it does have space that may, in exceptional circumstances, be used to transport four people.
At the expense of ammunition.

Not True I spoke to an IDF tank driver and he said on frequent occasions he carried infantry.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

The Merkava cannot hold eight passengers.
It can't even carry four. Not if it wants to fight.

The thing about the Merkava is that while it does have space that may, in exceptional circumstances, be used to transport four people.
At the expense of ammunition.

Not True I spoke to an IDF tank driver and he said on frequent occasions he carried infantry.

What occasion transpired that you spoke with an IDF vehicle crewman?

[Elan Valleys]

The Merkava cannot hold eight passengers.
It can't even carry four. Not if it wants to fight.

The thing about the Merkava is that while it does have space that may, in exceptional circumstances, be used to transport four people.
At the expense of ammunition.

Not True I spoke to an IDF tank driver and he said on frequent occasions he carried infantry.

Yes, but he will have had all the spare ammo (usually stored where the men would go) taken out. Otherwise the men couldn't physically fit.

[Noders]

Not True I spoke to an IDF tank driver and he said on frequent occasions he carried infantry.

What occasion transpired that you spoke with an IDF vehicle crewman?

I was going through military forums looking for vets and I happened upon him in this fourm while looking up things related to the Namer IFV
http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/forum.php
Use Name is bigross86 go talk to him yourself if you don't want to believe me.
Edit: I also spent this last year in Israel for school.

[Oaledonia]

I use this AMX-13 in PMT

Why? Fuq u that's y

[Registug]

You two might be interested in a fic/rp I'm writing then.

There's a tank Rp floating around somewhere.

It's like Girls Und Panzer, only it's our nations....

That's what I was doing

I just don't have anyone else to fill in the other "schools".

So I've been doing a "pre-season" to try and garner interest in my region but only have one guy interested so far.

Everyone else is like "lol scol grils in tonks u weaboo"

[Oaledonia]

There's a tank Rp floating around somewhere.

It's like Girls Und Panzer, only it's our nations....

That's what I was doing

I just don't have anyone else to fill in the other "schools".

So I've been doing a "pre-season" to try and garner interest in my region but only have one guy interested so far.

Everyone else is like "lol scol grils in tonks u weaboo"

I'll join, but due to my lack of tank knowledge l33t skillz I'll end up being like rabbit team.

[European Prussia]

Updated

[Spirit of Hope]

Updated

You have quite a bit of overlap, especially in the APC/IFV region and the light utility vehicle region. You probably don't need that many diffrent types of vehicles and should prune the list down to 1-2 for each class.

[Lubyak]

The Merkava cannot hold eight passengers.
It can't even carry four. Not if it wants to fight.

The thing about the Merkava is that while it does have space that may, in exceptional circumstances, be used to transport four people.
At the expense of ammunition.

Not True I spoke to an IDF tank driver and he said on frequent occasions he carried infantry.

Ask him if he carries a full load of ammunition and infantry at the same time. Ask him if he was going into combat against a mechanized or armoured unit, would he rather have four infantry, or another 20 rounds of ammunition.

The thing with modern militaries is that they are changing to meet the modern world. In most cases, that means they are changing to be prepared to fight insurgents and other low level wars, as the threat of engaging another high tech military is extremely low. However, on NS, the situation is very different. Traditional clashes of high tech, industrialized armies are commonplace, so...in some sense, a change in a modern military might not be one you'd want to do on NS, as modern militaries and NS militaries are starting to have to worry about different things.

Note. This is not to say that modern militaries should be ignored. Just because they're changing to focus more on low intensity war doesn't mean that they wouldn't know how to deal with a Soviet motor rifle division bearing down on them. It's just that they have limited resources and are focusing more on what's relevant, and a lot of the lessons of modern conflicts--especially in logistics--are extremely applicable to NS war.

[European Prussia]

Updated

You have quite a bit of overlap, especially in the APC/IFV region and the light utility vehicle region. You probably don't need that many diffrent types of vehicles and should prune the list down to 1-2 for each class.

So having a few vehicles in class would be redundant?

[Elan Valleys]

You have quite a bit of overlap, especially in the APC/IFV region and the light utility vehicle region. You probably don't need that many diffrent types of vehicles and should prune the list down to 1-2 for each class.

So having a few vehicles in class would be redundant?

What tends to happen IRL is two types of the same class: the latest one, and the one it's replacing, as equipment (unlike NS) isn't replaced in one massive delivery, but in stages.

[Dostanuot Loj]

What occasion transpired that you spoke with an IDF vehicle crewman?

I was going through military forums looking for vets and I happened upon him in this fourm while looking up things related to the Namer IFV
http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/forum.php
Use Name is bigross86 go talk to him yourself if you don't want to believe me.
Edit: I also spent this last year in Israel for school.

That's cool.

But I've been in a Merkava, and spoken with currently serving IDF tankers in person. You can't fit people in the tank other then the crew without taking out all but the ready ammo. And the ready ammo is 10-12 rounds depending on the model.

For reference, and to clear this up once and for all:

THIS is a Merkava interior rear as seen from the turret basket. You can SEE the turret ring in the top of the photo. If you remove ALL the canisters from one side you will have exceptionally cramped seating for TWO people with very light combat gear. For this model (Merkava II) that is a loss of 24 rounds to fit TWO people. You can cram a third, very unhappy, person in by the door if you don't care about having less legroom then quicksand.


Merkava III interior:
http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/uploads/000a/e3/16/51077-1.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img849/2350/85c71224791d.jpg

Take all the ammo out, and this is the space you have:


The Merkava is NOT an IFV or APC. It CAN carry a few troops (Up to 5 without sticking them in the turret basket) with virtually all its ammo removed. This is great because you can dump ammo canisters that are empty and make space to recover another tank crew, or simply leave the back empty for a squad of troops for low intensity conflict. But it is not, in any way shape or form an IFV.

I hope this settles this here once and for all.

[Spirit of Hope]

You have quite a bit of overlap, especially in the APC/IFV region and the light utility vehicle region. You probably don't need that many diffrent types of vehicles and should prune the list down to 1-2 for each class.

So having a few vehicles in class would be redundant?

Simply put why have more than 1 or 2 (where one is an older model you are replacing)? It increases costs and makes logistics harder if you have lots of different vehicle types.

[European Prussia]

So having a few vehicles in class would be redundant?

What tends to happen IRL is two types of the same class: the latest one, and the one it's replacing, as equipment (unlike NS) isn't replaced in one massive delivery, but in stages.

I have revised it,should be better

[European Prussia]

So having a few vehicles in class would be redundant?

Simply put why have more than 1 or 2 (where one is an older model you are replacing)? It increases costs and makes logistics harder if you have lots of different vehicle types.

Am guessing it applies here as well?
Navy

[Spirit of Hope]

Simply put why have more than 1 or 2 (where one is an older model you are replacing)? It increases costs and makes logistics harder if you have lots of different vehicle types.

Am guessing it applies here as well?
Navy

Navies have a little more wiggle room with different classes of vessels, due to difference in size and time of production.
Now a quick question are you MT? If so you probably don't have fusion, but instead fission powered ships, and you probably only really need to do that with your larger vessels.

[Noders]

I was going through military forums looking for vets and I happened upon him in this fourm while looking up things related to the Namer IFV
http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/forum.php
Use Name is bigross86 go talk to him yourself if you don't want to believe me.
Edit: I also spent this last year in Israel for school.

That's cool.

But I've been in a Merkava, and spoken with currently serving IDF tankers in person. You can't fit people in the tank other then the crew without taking out all but the ready ammo. And the ready ammo is 10-12 rounds depending on the model.

For reference, and to clear this up once and for all:

THIS is a Merkava interior rear as seen from the turret basket. You can SEE the turret ring in the top of the photo. If you remove ALL the canisters from one side you will have exceptionally cramped seating for TWO people with very light combat gear. For this model (Merkava II) that is a loss of 24 rounds to fit TWO people. You can cram a third, very unhappy, person in by the door if you don't care about having less legroom then quicksand.


Merkava III interior:
http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/uploads/000a/e3/16/51077-1.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img849/2350/85c71224791d.jpg

Take all the ammo out, and this is the space you have:


The Merkava is NOT an IFV or APC. It CAN carry a few troops (Up to 5 without sticking them in the turret basket) with virtually all its ammo removed. This is great because you can dump ammo canisters that are empty and make space to recover another tank crew, or simply leave the back empty for a squad of troops for low intensity conflict. But it is not, in any way shape or form an IFV.

I hope this settles this here once and for all.

Namer period.

[European Prussia]

Am guessing it applies here as well?
Navy

Navies have a little more wiggle room with different classes of vessels, due to difference in size and time of production.
Now a quick question are you MT? If so you probably don't have fusion, but instead fission powered ships, and you probably only really need to do that with your larger vessels.

PMT mate

[Spirit of Hope]

Navies have a little more wiggle room with different classes of vessels, due to difference in size and time of production.
Now a quick question are you MT? If so you probably don't have fusion, but instead fission powered ships, and you probably only really need to do that with your larger vessels.

PMT mate

Ok, everything good then.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

That's cool.

But I've been in a Merkava, and spoken with currently serving IDF tankers in person. You can't fit people in the tank other then the crew without taking out all but the ready ammo. And the ready ammo is 10-12 rounds depending on the model.

For reference, and to clear this up once and for all:

THIS is a Merkava interior rear as seen from the turret basket. You can SEE the turret ring in the top of the photo. If you remove ALL the canisters from one side you will have exceptionally cramped seating for TWO people with very light combat gear. For this model (Merkava II) that is a loss of 24 rounds to fit TWO people. You can cram a third, very unhappy, person in by the door if you don't care about having less legroom then quicksand.


Merkava III interior:
http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/uploads/000a/e3/16/51077-1.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img849/2350/85c71224791d.jpg

Take all the ammo out, and this is the space you have:


The Merkava is NOT an IFV or APC. It CAN carry a few troops (Up to 5 without sticking them in the turret basket) with virtually all its ammo removed. This is great because you can dump ammo canisters that are empty and make space to recover another tank crew, or simply leave the back empty for a squad of troops for low intensity conflict. But it is not, in any way shape or form an IFV.

I hope this settles this here once and for all.

Namer period.

Namer is not a Merkava. Not anymore.

[Noders]

Namer period.

Namer is not a Merkava. Not anymore.

No I meant for an APC.....like Namer FTW?

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Well, it's arguable both ways.
I'd question its use in fully mechanised warfare. But in the current environment, especially the one Israel perpetually finds itself, it's great. An IFV too heavy to be taken out by your average roadside bomb or insurgent attack.
Practically imperious to lightweight anti-armour weapon and anti-tank grenades which other "MRAP" vehicles may fall prey to.

[Risen Britannia]

WIP


went back over one of my old designs and added some of my newer bits of art. (the overall hull is the same)

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Why'd you lose the bore extractor?