Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Mk.V

[Istevia]

So, while looking through the wikipedia page for the T-55, I came across this thing:(Image)
It's apparently a heavily modified T-55 called the Jaguar, made by Cadillac Gage.

Does it shoot ponies?

Depends, if the ponies are committing terrorism, then yes.

[Purpelia]

I am not talking about that light thou. More like AMX-30 vs Chieftain light. You know, instead of a 70+ ton behemoth with more armor than a coastal defense ship I'd have a say 50-60 ton MBT.

You mean 30-35 tonnes?

That's way too little. Basically, I guess I can amend the question to: Is the AMX-56 a good thing and should I make my own?

[Immoren]

So, while looking through the wikipedia page for the T-55, I came across this thing:(Image)
It's apparently a heavily modified T-55 called the Jaguar, made by Cadillac Gage.

Best light tank *nods*

[Istevia]

You mean 30-35 tonnes?

That's way too little. Basically, I guess I can amend the question to: Is the AMX-56 a good thing and should I make my own?

It's not a Black Panther so no Yes

[Novorden]

And it is NOT a front line tank like the KV 3 or the IS. It is a sniper.

That very much depends on your definition of a "front line tank", US coldwar 'front line' tanks were suppose to engage enemy tanks at ~2km with British tank being even further. Russians had 'heavier' armour for the most part because they would have to drive through 1-2km of enemy fire before they could reliably return fire. This doesn't make the US and British tank any less 'Front line' than the Russians it is just a different doctrine/approach.

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

German tanks were excellent, for defensive warfare. Their largest weaknesses were unreliabilty and Germany 's inability to produce sufficient numbers. However, Germany was in an offensive war, at the beginning. Along with being divided along 2 fronts, they were doomed.The panther tank is widely considered one of the greatest tanks in world war 2, the king tiger was the heaviest armored tank to be used in world war 2, and the tiger tank was superior to allied armor when it was entered into service. While the T 34 and Sherman were the tanks that won the day, they suffered heavy casualties when engaged with German heavy armor. Allied air superiority, numerical superiority, and overall infrastructure won the war. German armor is widely considered superior on the battlefield, but not the wallet.

One on one yes. Better then most in combat. Not really in other aspects. They had a lot of problems with their engines and such. Just do not know how my comment about the French lines in wot was interpreted as that is why I think that german armor is superior. Yes german armor has its own good points especially in the leopard. Being superior not really. But it is not inferior to the point some here try to make out of it.

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

And it is NOT a front line tank like the KV 3 or the IS. It is a sniper.

That very much depends on your definition of a "front line tank", US coldwar 'front line' tanks were suppose to engage enemy tanks at ~2km with British tank being even further. Russians had 'heavier' armour for the most part because they would have to drive through 1-2km of enemy fire before they could reliably return fire. This doesn't make the US and British tank any less 'Front line' than the Russians it is just a different doctrine/approach.

I was talking about the lines in WOT. 500 meters is extreme ranges in the game.

[Lydenburg]

So, while looking through the wikipedia page for the T-55, I came across this thing:

(Image)

It's apparently a heavily modified T-55 called the Jaguar, made by Cadillac Gage.

You know what the differences are, beyond the aesthetics?

I don't think it's any more a T-55 than a Raptor is an AML. Completely redesigned vehicle, with engine, tracks, even transmission ripped from the Cadillac Gage Stingray. That's a 105mm gun.

The Jaguar was ridiculously expensive for what was basically a Chinese clone of an upgraded Russian antique. They shouldn't have been so surprised when it failed. You can get better tanks second hand for less, or just buy the Stingray if you like the internal workings.

[Purpelia]

Honestly, if we are already citing German tanks I personally feel that the Panzer IV was the best they had. Everything else was simply superfluous. My honest choice would be to take a Pz IV G, slope it's armor to look like the Panther and call it a day. Screw tigers.

[Rich and Corporations]

AMX 50-100 and AMX 50-120...
Due to playing WOT I have a strong distaste with French armor. Heavy tanks with armor of a light tank... Only like the foch from the French at the moment.
And before anyone starts I have not made a lot of research in French IFV and APC's

French tanks fast tanks. Don't need armor cause they won't get hit. Move where the enemy can't. Cross bridges and stuff too.


This said, is the philosophy of having lighter tanks that trade armor for strategic and tactical mobility (not speed, mobility) still sound in the modern day and age?

Modern engines and modern fuel efficiency provide for adequate armor protection.

Honestly, if we are already citing German tanks I personally feel that the Panzer IV was the best they had. Everything else was simply superfluous. My honest choice would be to take a Pz IV G, slope it's armor to look like the Panther and call it a day. Screw tigers.

I love the VK 30.01 (M). the original Panther was pretty good, and it's frontal armor is proofed against 75mm projectiles (historical projectiles, not WoT projectiles).

[Virana]

Dragomere was nominated, but was not placed in the poll?

[Yes Im Biop]

Dragomere was nominated, but was not placed in the poll?

You are correct

[Novorden]

Dragomere was nominated, but was not placed in the poll?

Whoops, i will change it next time i am on my desktop.

[Rhinocera]

What would everyone consider a better armored vehicle, the Elefant TD or the Jagdtiger.

[New Tyran]

Dragomere was nominated, but was not placed in the poll?

Whoops, i will change it next time i am on my desktop.

NO.

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

What would everyone consider a better armored vehicle, the Elefant TD or the Jagdtiger.

The jagtiger had the better armor out of those 2. Not to mention that the gun was an overkill. But it had its own problems engine and mobility vise.

[Yes Im Biop]

Dragomere was nominated, but was not placed in the poll?

Whoops, i will change it next time i am on my desktop.

No. No you wont.

[Rhinocera]

I thought the Elefant had the heaviest frontal armor of the war (200 mm)?

[Anemos Major]

What would everyone consider a better armored vehicle, the Elefant TD or the Jagdtiger.

I'd say the Elefant, though that's probably more because the Jagdtiger is plagued by somewhat more serious forms of the problems that the Elefant was faced with (weight, automotive problems etc) than a relative comparison of merits.

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

I thought the Elefant had the heaviest frontal armor of the war (200 mm)?

Flat 200 mm. The Jagtiger had 150 mm sloped from the tiger 2 and sloped 250 mm on the casemate.

What would everyone consider a better armored vehicle, the Elefant TD or the Jagdtiger.

I'd say the Elefant, though that's probably more because the Jagdtiger is plagued by somewhat more serious forms of the problems that the Elefant was faced with (weight, automotive problems etc) than a relative comparison of merits.

Being better overall yes. But going armor only from his question the jagtiger would be better.

[Anacasppia]

@purp

amx-30 obv best cold war tank
it had five reverse gears
perfect for beating a hasty retreat hur hur

On a more serious note, AMX-56 is much win; its one of not so many 'Western' tanks that use an autoloader, which I consider a good thing - more consistent loading speed (over time, rough terrain, or under combat stress) and weight and profile (to a smaller extent) savings stemming from the elimination of loader. The modular armor scheme is also great - more flexibility and future-proofness (when new developments in armor arise you can slap them on).

Ultimately it all boils down to specific needs of your mulitary tho. If I'm not wrong Leclerc in its basic form is more 'firepower' and 'mobility' than 'protection'. And IRL it is built more for South European and African climates.

[Anemos Major]

@purp

amx-30 obv best cold war tank
it had five reverse gears
perfect for beating a hasty retreat hur hur

On a more serious note, AMX-56 is much win; its one of not so many 'Western' tanks that use an autoloader, which I consider a good thing - more consistent loading speed (over time, rough terrain, or under combat stress) and weight and profile (to a smaller extent) savings stemming from the elimination of loader. The modular armor scheme is also great - more flexibility and future-proofness (when new developments in armor arise you can slap them on).

Ultimately it all boils down to specific needs of your mulitary tho. If I'm not wrong Leclerc in its basic form is more 'firepower' and 'mobility' than 'protection'. And IRL it is built more for South European and African climates.

(peeps, it's not the AMX 56, that's a pre-production label - it's called the Leclerc >_>)

Autoloaders are fine, and especially so after twenty years of use in the West - the teething problems that turned a lot of people off have been ironed out now.

And with the Leclerc, it depends on the variant you're looking at. French Tranches are generally built for that sort of climate, but with the Leclerc UAE it's proven that you can easily create variants optimised for use in other climates with some quick modifications to fit the Europowerpack in the engine bay.

(protection in mobility and firepower while mobile, rather )

[United States of PA]

As a matter of definition, yep (LOVA = LOw VulnerAbility), but the formulation of LOVA propellants inevitably results in other noticeable and differentiatable characteristics when you put them up against legacy propellant compositions (higher power, for one, tends to be a characteristic of these newfangled compositions, what with their nitroamines).

Mmkay. Thinking of doing a fairly comprehensive redesign of my MBT so just trying to gather some info.

Quick pre-research question. Does anyone know how long the NATO experimental 140mm shells were?

[Shmee]

It defies physics and all logic and is therefore perfect for our uses...

[Anemos Major]

As a matter of definition, yep (LOVA = LOw VulnerAbility), but the formulation of LOVA propellants inevitably results in other noticeable and differentiatable characteristics when you put them up against legacy propellant compositions (higher power, for one, tends to be a characteristic of these newfangled compositions, what with their nitroamines).

Mmkay. Thinking of doing a fairly comprehensive redesign of my MBT so just trying to gather some info.

Quick pre-research question. Does anyone know how long the NATO experimental 140mm shells were?

Which ones?