Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Mk.V

[Kaledy]

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You were saying?

[New Emphillon]

The Black Eagle MBT makes up the backbone of New Emphillon's tanks. The basic variant of the tank follows the design specifications made by Omsk Transmash, but with the more reliable MTU MB 873 liquid-cooled diesel engine used by the German Leopard 2 MBT and it utilizes the Arena Active Protection System.

Basic variant

New Emphillon is also creating its own variant of the Black Eagle, the MT-100 Giant. This variant features brand new equipment, including high resolution electronic sights that range from night-vision to infrared. The main differences are the addition of the two remote-controlled 20mm autocannons to protect the tank against hostile aircraft should anti-aircraft support be unavailable and a 152mm cannon that will rival most modern tanks. The tank also features armored spikes on the front to penetrate defensive positions and pierce hostile armored vehicles and tanks.

MT-100 Giant

So what do you think, guys? Have any suggestions for future improvements?

[Purpelia]

Ditch the external autocanons. A single HE shell on the side, or hell a well placed hand grenade will mess those up. Nothing else to say really. The 152mm gun is obscenely too much. But since this is NS where guns in the 140mm to 155mm range are the norm you will want to keep it. So really, nothing much to say.

[Vitaphone Racing]

The Type 10's transmission is a hydraulic transmission, not technically the same as the CVT but produces similar effects. They aren't well suited for high torque applications due to cooling problems, the Type-10 represents the upper limit of what you can extract from these transmissions. There are advantages to infinitely geared transmissions which is why HMTs were developed, to bring these advantages to farm vehicles and such, but it is an extremely complicated transmission. Being able to travel at 70km/h in forward or reverse isn't that great of an advantage, more of a by-product of the other advantages.

If you really want to have the same speed forward and reverse why not just go with the ancient way of having a separate transmission and gearbox? As in, you have a gear box that lets you pick gears and than a separate transfer unit that connects it to a separate set of gears in the final drive to drive either forward or reverse. So instead of say 5 gears forward and 1 reverse you have 5 gears, period and can direct them either forward or reverse as you will.

See example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNTVp9z0YHE

If you really wanted to have the same speed forward and reverse, it'd be a reasonable trade-off. But nobody wants to have the same speed forward and reverse because you'll never, ever try to reach that speed in reverse in the real world and the pains of an extra gear-set and clutch are not worth having.

[Purpelia]

If you really want to have the same speed forward and reverse why not just go with the ancient way of having a separate transmission and gearbox? As in, you have a gear box that lets you pick gears and than a separate transfer unit that connects it to a separate set of gears in the final drive to drive either forward or reverse. So instead of say 5 gears forward and 1 reverse you have 5 gears, period and can direct them either forward or reverse as you will.

See example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNTVp9z0YHE

If you really wanted to have the same speed forward and reverse, it'd be a reasonable trade-off. But nobody wants to have the same speed forward and reverse because you'll never, ever try to reach that speed in reverse in the real world and the pains of an extra gear-set and clutch are not worth having.

Thanks for clearing that up. Was it ever worth having? Maybe say back in WW2 when engines were weaker and those extra gears simply meant you could actually move decently? Or was it not worth it even than?

[New Emphillon]

Ditch the external autocanons. A single HE shell on the side, or hell a well placed hand grenade will mess those up. Nothing else to say really. The 152mm gun is obscenely too much. But since this is NS where guns in the 140mm to 155mm range are the norm you will want to keep it. So really, nothing much to say.

Thanks for the advice. I completely neglected to think about the possibility of those turrets being knocked out. And I agree that the 152mm cannon is too much in reality. However, since this is a Russian design, it does make sense.

[Vitaphone Racing]

If you really wanted to have the same speed forward and reverse, it'd be a reasonable trade-off. But nobody wants to have the same speed forward and reverse because you'll never, ever try to reach that speed in reverse in the real world and the pains of an extra gear-set and clutch are not worth having.

Thanks for clearing that up. Was it ever worth having? Maybe say back in WW2 when engines were weaker and those extra gears simply meant you could actually move decently? Or was it not worth it even than?

The extra gears which only work in reverse, you mean?

[Purpelia]

Thanks for clearing that up. Was it ever worth having? Maybe say back in WW2 when engines were weaker and those extra gears simply meant you could actually move decently? Or was it not worth it even than?

The extra gears which only work in reverse, you mean?

Yes. Also, as far as I understand there are no extra gears per se. There is only a single additional step in the clutch that mechanically connects the existing shaft going out of the gear box with either a direct input or a direction reversing gear. As in, it's not two gear boxes pointing opposite ways next to one another. It's one gear box and one binary forward or reverse selector.

You could do it with just one drive shaft, a pair of conical gears and a selector to move the input shaft left or right really.

[Vitaphone Racing]

The extra gears which only work in reverse, you mean?

Yes. Also, as far as I understand there are no extra gears per se. There is only a single additional step in the clutch that mechanically connects the existing shaft going out of the gear box with either a direct input or a direction reversing gear. As in, it's not two gear boxes pointing opposite ways next to one another. It's one gear box and one binary forward or reverse selector.

You could do it with just one drive shaft, a pair of conical gears and a selector to move the input shaft left or right really.

Which is what I was referring to before, you were talking about extra gears which confused me a little.

So let me get this straight, in a world war 2 tank, you want to add some extra clutches and reversing gear sets in order to have more reverse gears to enhance rearward mobility? That's what's being talked about, yes?

[Imperializt Russia]

Ditch the external autocanons. A single HE shell on the side, or hell a well placed hand grenade will mess those up. Nothing else to say really. The 152mm gun is obscenely too much. But since this is NS where guns in the 140mm to 155mm range are the norm you will want to keep it. So really, nothing much to say.

Thanks for the advice. I completely neglected to think about the possibility of those turrets being knocked out. And I agree that the 152mm cannon is too much in reality. However, since this is a Russian design, it does make sense.

Well, it would be little trouble to isolate the ammunition stowage for those guns.
The Slovaks rock exactly that on the T-72M1 Moderna, probably where the Endwar artists got their inspiration from.
Mount the ammunition stowage off the hull itself, with blowoff panels, and it should prove little issue.

The 152mm cannon was and is a genuine Russian programme, a counter to heavy Western Cold War tanks, like the 120mm ETC and 140mm conventional gun programmes were on the Western side for the "Future Soviet Tank" threats.

[Mizrad]

How logical is creating a heavy tank and using it in limited service these days? I know MBT's out class it in almost every way, but MBT's also suffer from multiple issues on NS and in the real world when it comes to playing on the defensive side. I'm well aware they're near useless for an offensive for multiple reasons despite their few pros, although I don't see the issue if it's being operated domestically. So with that being said, thoughts everyone?

[The Kievan People]

How logical is creating a heavy tank and using it in limited service these days? I know MBT's out class it in almost every way, but MBT's also suffer from multiple issues on NS and in the real world when it comes to playing on the defensive side. I'm well aware they're near useless for an offensive for multiple reasons despite their few pros, although I don't see the issue if it's being operated domestically. So with that being said, thoughts everyone?

Its seems like you already decided what answer you want

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

How logical is creating a heavy tank and using it in limited service these days? I know MBT's out class it in almost every way, but MBT's also suffer from multiple issues on NS and in the real world when it comes to playing on the defensive side. I'm well aware they're near useless for an offensive for multiple reasons despite their few pros, although I don't see the issue if it's being operated domestically. So with that being said, thoughts everyone?

You can make one. Add armor and lower its speed. Give it a bigger gun and voila.

[The Akasha Colony]

How logical is creating a heavy tank and using it in limited service these days? I know MBT's out class it in almost every way, but MBT's also suffer from multiple issues on NS and in the real world when it comes to playing on the defensive side. I'm well aware they're near useless for an offensive for multiple reasons despite their few pros, although I don't see the issue if it's being operated domestically. So with that being said, thoughts everyone?

These major issues being?

[Imperializt Russia]

How logical is creating a heavy tank and using it in limited service these days? I know MBT's out class it in almost every way, but MBT's also suffer from multiple issues on NS and in the real world when it comes to playing on the defensive side. I'm well aware they're near useless for an offensive for multiple reasons despite their few pros, although I don't see the issue if it's being operated domestically. So with that being said, thoughts everyone?

I think I know what you're looking for.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XV6TQYLNQdQ
You're looking for an assault charge by six-inch SPGs.

It's how the 2S1 Gvozdika (122mm) was commonly used in the Soviet force by the 1970s or so, and Paladin crews do train for it.

[Mizrad]

How logical is creating a heavy tank and using it in limited service these days? I know MBT's out class it in almost every way, but MBT's also suffer from multiple issues on NS and in the real world when it comes to playing on the defensive side. I'm well aware they're near useless for an offensive for multiple reasons despite their few pros, although I don't see the issue if it's being operated domestically. So with that being said, thoughts everyone?

I think I know what you're looking for.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XV6TQYLNQdQ
You're looking for an assault charge by six-inch SPGs.

It's how the 2S1 Gvozdika (122mm) was commonly used in the Soviet force by the 1970s or so, and Paladin crews do train for it.

Not a bad idea, although I wouldn't be charging I'd be staying on the line yet not advancing while up-armored MBT's do the rushing as Paladins follow close behind.

EDIT: Tank you very much

[New Emphillon]

Thanks for the advice. I completely neglected to think about the possibility of those turrets being knocked out. And I agree that the 152mm cannon is too much in reality. However, since this is a Russian design, it does make sense.

Well, it would be little trouble to isolate the ammunition stowage for those guns.
The Slovaks rock exactly that on the T-72M1 Moderna, probably where the Endwar artists got their inspiration from.
Mount the ammunition stowage off the hull itself, with blowoff panels, and it should prove little issue.

The 152mm cannon was and is a genuine Russian programme, a counter to heavy Western Cold War tanks, like the 120mm ETC and 140mm conventional gun programmes were on the Western side for the "Future Soviet Tank" threats.

Another good point. Thanks for that. And I was sure that the Russians were the only ones to try to build a tank that could incorporate a 152mm cannon, though I just couldn't remember if they were the only ones to try.

[Oaledonia]

Can 12.7mm be effective against the tops of tanks? If not: then what is the minimum caliber?

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

Can 12.7mm be effective against the tops of tanks? If not: then what is the minimum caliber?

Modern times? 12.7 mm was unable to pen WW2 era tank armor. It needed 20 mm canons.
Edit: 30 mm Vulcan guns of the A 10 are known to penetrate armor. But they use a special type of ammo for that.

[Oaledonia]

Can 12.7mm be effective against the tops of tanks? If not: then what is the minimum caliber?

Modern times? 12.7 mm was unable to pen WW2 era tank armor. It needed 20 mm canons.
Edit: 30 mm Vulcan guns of the A 10 are known to penetrate armor. But they use a special type of ammo for that.

hmmm, alright.
I'm aware of the Vulcan, I'm making an anti-tank rifle.

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

Modern times? 12.7 mm was unable to pen WW2 era tank armor. It needed 20 mm canons.
Edit: 30 mm Vulcan guns of the A 10 are known to penetrate armor. But they use a special type of ammo for that.

hmmm, alright.
I'm aware of the Vulcan, I'm making an anti-tank rifle.

Such a round would produce extreme recoil. pretty much may torn someone's arm off. So honestly I doubt about its use as a anti tank rifle.

[Oaledonia]

hmmm, alright.
I'm aware of the Vulcan, I'm making an anti-tank rifle.

Such a round would produce extreme recoil. pretty much may torn someone's arm off. So honestly I doubt about its use as a anti tank rifle.

It's for my FanT side.

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

Such a round would produce extreme recoil. pretty much may torn someone's arm off. So honestly I doubt about its use as a anti tank rifle.

It's for my FanT side.

Ok then. Just went from the practical side of things. Good luck and post the project in order for us to see it.

[Dostanuot Loj]

Also, I was considering the implementation of a few upgrades for the latest version of the tank, but I'd like to know if they're practical. Turkey wants to integrate an electric engine into the Altay MBT to make the tank less glaringly visible on infrared cameras.

I'm not sure what the Turks actually intend, but it wouldn't work out that way in practice. For one, whether you use an electric or a mechanical transmission, you still need an engine, and this is where the exhaust comes from. Unless you go 100% battery, but batteries also get hot and you will get pitiful range.

In any event, a tank's largest thermal signature is from the running gear. An Abrams after running for a while can exhibit temperatures exceeding 300 F on the roadwheels and inner surface of the tracks.

Fun story: A tank's largest thermal signature is from the running gear, but not because it gets hot.

When a tank drives anywhere but pavement, it throws up dirt and dust into the air. This dust is as warm as the ground, which means it is likely a different temperature then the air. These coulds show up on thermal sights.

So, honestly, if your tanks are moving, they're going to show up on FLIR like a lighthouse on a clear calm night. The more tanks, the worse. This also applies to trucks, infantry, horses, sleds, and high speed watercraft.

The best counter to this (dust skirts) have been employed by a few tanks in NS, and even fewer RL.

[Anacasppia]

Revised for some modern-day sense and sensibility.

M.70A3 'Mars' Main Battle Tank
Type: Main Battle Tank
Unit Cost: $14,750,000 NSD
Variants: M.70/ARV, M.70/AVLB, M.70/CEV

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Weight: 54.5 tons
Length:

• Hull: 8.8 m
• Gun-Forward: 9.1 m

Width: 3.5 m
Height:

• Turret Roof: 2.2 m
• RWS: 2.7 m

Crew: 3

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Armor: RHA, Composite

• Modular Applique: RHA/Composite/NERA/ERA

Protection:

• Frontal: 120mm APFSDS, 155mm HEAT
• Side: 40mm APFSDS
• Top: 20mm AP, 155mm HE Shrapnel
• Rear: 15.5mm AP

Passive Protection: Radar-Absorbent Paint, Multi-Spectral Camouflage Netting
Active Protection: MUSS, AMAP-ADS

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Main Armament: 150mm L/30 Smoothbore Gun

• Ready: 24 Rounds in Bustle
• Stowed: 24 Rounds in Hull

Secondary Armament:

• 15.5mm Coaxial Machinegun (1,200 Rounds)
• 7.62mm RWS Machinegun (600 Rounds)

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Engine: 1750 hp Multifuel Turbine
Power/Weight Ratio: 32.11 hp/ton
Transmission: Hydraulic Automatic; Five Forward/Two Reverse Gears
Suspension: Hydropneumatic
Ground Clearance: 0.5 m (± 0.3 m)
Operational Range: 600 km
Speed:

• Road (Governed): 75km/h
• Off-Road: 60km/h