Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Mk.V

[Oaledonia]

I didn't like the JSF.
Annoyingly overhyped, because they were the American faction.

BLOS and Grid Smasher spam /game........ /war

I liked Europe, cuz future

[Imperializt Russia]

I didn't like the JSF.
Annoyingly overhyped, because they were the American faction.

BLOS and Grid Smasher spam /game........ /war

I liked Europe, cuz future

You mean, Russia cuz Russia.

[Kouralia]

BLOS and Grid Smasher spam /game........ /war

I liked Europe, cuz future

You mean, Russia cuz Russia.

Russia was retarded, America was retarded.

PEACEKEEPER CORPS IN 'BELGIUM' CAMOUFLAGE FTW!

*Microwaves Samoz*

[Anemos Major]

The Abrams does store all ammunition in the bustle. It's fitted with blowout panels and a bulkhead, specially so that a firepower kill is not a catastrophic kill.

Technically, I think there's stowage space for six rounds at the back of the hull, but I'm really not sure if tankers actually use that space. We'll need an M1A2 commander hanging around NS to clear that one up.

Where do you find an Irish Coffee and a martini at ten in the morning?
Or are you back in Japan?

In Japan for two more days - and I made myself both, being a fantastic bartender in my own right :<

I just want to mention that there is probably an obvious reason why it was Sumer... not an actual nation, that adopted the bustle/carousel arrangement.

Let's seriously consider bustle propellants. If you are shot there, you have a firepower kill. An Abrams won't have a total firepower kill, it doesn't store all ammunition in the bustle.
The steel protecting a shell isn't a great deal of protection from shaped charges. Keep in mind a shaped charge is a focused jet. Have carousel shells won't provide much protection over propellant and shells in carousel.

Samo... try harder.

Six rounds, occasionally used, in the hull - hardly a game-changer. We're talking about 120mm gun armed Abrams, not 105mm. And what was generally found with carousels in Iraqi service was that the chain detonation of propellant stubs inside the crew compartment was responsible for the vast majority of carousel-related mishaps; with individual unit isolation (as has been proposed with both Soviet and American carousel autoloader conceptualisations), it's fairly easy to prevent this from happening - especially if it's only shells you're dealing with instead of propellants and shells, given that the bulk of the rounds carried by a modern tank tend to be KEPs anyhow.

An actual nation didn't adopt the bustle/carousel arrangement because using one or the other is cheaper and more mechanically simple than using a hybrid - but this is NS, so we can be a bit more adventurous about things. Come on, loosen up! If you look at the T-80's munitions arrangement, it's a simple way of decreasing the size of the carousel and isolating the propellant component of the ammunition storage without necessarily making the loading process extraordinarily complex (if you consider the ramming process of the T-64/80's autoloader, a bustle-based propellant wouldn't really add any additional steps to the loading process or make it any longer, with an additional bustle loading mechanism required to operate it - it's perfectly doable).

[Imperializt Russia]

The Abrams does store all ammunition in the bustle. It's fitted with blowout panels and a bulkhead, specially so that a firepower kill is not a catastrophic kill.

Technically, I think there's stowage space for six rounds at the back of the hull, but I'm really not sure if tankers actually use that space. We'll need an M1A2 commander hanging around NS to clear that one up.

According to the Steel Beasts forum, there is hull stowage, but it's also sealed with blowout panel, holds just eight rounds and is rarely used. The turret must be between the 10 and 2 o'clock positions in order to even access this stowage.

[Ea90]

Stavanger 122

Oh, shit, I forgot. Stavanger? God, where did you pull that from? It's Stridsvagn. Stridsvagn.

Sorry about the somewhat vague response above, Samoz (I can post pics later) - I'm buzzing thanks to a unique combination made up of my newly bought dirt cheap 3DS, a very well mixed Irish Coffee and a fantastic martini.

I really, really hope that this was an autocorrect problem.

[Anemos Major]

I didn't like the JSF.
Annoyingly overhyped, because they were the American faction.

BLOS and Grid Smasher spam /game........ /war

I liked Europe, cuz future

Multinational Leopard 1 + vague radiation-y weapons = FUTURE but still inferior to 'murkah

And the gameplay was awful. Hmmm.

[Imperializt Russia]

This guy seems to believe that South African armoured vehicles were literally the worst to ever exist.
From what's been posted ITT before from Sumer and a Saffer, I don't believe this is the case.

Anyone got anything to back up things they've said ITT?
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=278253&p=18248230#p18248230

[The Kievan People]

This guy seems to believe that South African armoured vehicles were literally the worst to ever exist.
From what's been posted ITT before from Sumer and a Saffer, I don't believe this is the case.

Anyone got anything to back up things they've said ITT?
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=278253&p=18248230#p18248230

Please stop with this silly hyperbole.

It seems like he is making a plausible statement about 90mm guns. It really is a weak gun, the very newest 90mm HEAT shells claim about 320mm penetration, compared against the T-55s maximum LOS thickness of 250mm you would expect them to have some trouble.

And we know they won anyways, so clearly they did something right.

[The Kievan People]

Is this made by someone over the internet or is this a real concept? Just curious.

(Image)

That's cute, kudos to the artist for doing his (artistic) research

[Kouralia]

Internet.

Looks like someone put the Endwar Fastback IFV turret onto the Stryker and for some reason, figured it needed a Phalanx radar array.

Isn't it one of those 35mm CIWS turrets?

[The Kievan People]

Its like the millennium gun and phalanx had a baby.

[Luepola]

You mean, Russia cuz Russia.

Russia was retarded, America was retarded.

PEACEKEEPER CORPS IN 'BELGIUM' CAMOUFLAGE FTW!

*Microwaves Samoz*

Yess. FOR EUROPA! (I liked the EFEC because they had speed. Russians were slow as a turtle and the US was meh)

[Imperializt Russia]

Russia was retarded, America was retarded.

PEACEKEEPER CORPS IN 'BELGIUM' CAMOUFLAGE FTW!

*Microwaves Samoz*

Yess. FOR EUROPA! (I liked the EFEC because they had speed. Russians were slow as a turtle and the US was meh)

"Yes, Commander Vehicle, I'd like you to go over there."
"OVER THERE!"

*sigh*

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

Stavanger 122

Oh, shit, I forgot. Stavanger? God, where did you pull that from? It's Stridsvagn. Stridsvagn.

Sorry about the somewhat vague response above, Samoz (I can post pics later) - I'm buzzing thanks to a unique combination made up of my newly bought dirt cheap 3DS, a very well mixed Irish Coffee and a fantastic martini.

That was typed from my phone and the only thing that came to mind during that time was that.

[Vorkova]

How is this for some basic statistics?

Type: Heavy Battle Tank
Builders: Soviet State Armaments
Operators: Soviet Ground Forces
Price: $6.7 million
In service: 1992-present
Produced: 5,000+
Weight: 62.5 tonnes
Length: 7.6 m (Excludes gun)
Width: 3.8 m
Height: 2.3 m
Crew: 3 (Commander, driver and gunner)
Armour: Steel-Composite Armour (Includes NERA)
Main armament: 1x 152mm Smothbore Gun/Launcher
Secondary armament: 2x Kord 12.7mm Machine Guns
Powerplant 1x 1,500 hp Diesel Engine
Power/weight: 24.0 hp/t
Suspension: Hydropneumatic
Range: 750 kilometres
Speed: 62 km/h

[Omniphasa]

Seems absolutely fine to me.

[Aqizithiuda]

How is this for some basic statistics?

Type: Heavy Battle Tank
Builders: Soviet State Armaments
Operators: Soviet Ground Forces
Price: $10.4 million
In service: 1992-present
Produced: 5,000+
Weight: 64.8 tonnes
Length: 7.9 m (Excludes gun)
Width: 3.8 m
Height: 2.3 m
Crew: 3 (Commander, driver and gunner)
Armour: Steel-Composite Armour (Includes NERA)
Main armament: 1x 140mm ETC Smothbore Gun/Launcher
Secondary armament: 2x Kord 12.7mm Heavy Machine Guns
Powerplant 1x 1,500 hp Diesel Engine
Power/weight: 23.1 hp/t
Suspension: Hydropneumatic
Range: 750 kilometres
Speed: 62 km/h

Was the ETC gun original or a later addon?

[Vorkova]

How is this for some basic statistics?

Type: Heavy Battle Tank
Builders: Soviet State Armaments
Operators: Soviet Ground Forces
Price: $10.4 million
In service: 1992-present
Produced: 5,000+
Weight: 64.8 tonnes
Length: 7.9 m (Excludes gun)
Width: 3.8 m
Height: 2.3 m
Crew: 3 (Commander, driver and gunner)
Armour: Steel-Composite Armour (Includes NERA)
Main armament: 1x 140mm ETC Smothbore Gun/Launcher
Secondary armament: 2x Kord 12.7mm Heavy Machine Guns
Powerplant 1x 1,500 hp Diesel Engine
Power/weight: 23.1 hp/t
Suspension: Hydropneumatic
Range: 750 kilometres
Speed: 62 km/h

Was the ETC gun original or a later addon?

A later add-on.

[Imperializt Russia]

How is this for some basic statistics?

Type: Heavy Battle Tank
Builders: Soviet State Armaments
Operators: Soviet Ground Forces
Price: $10.4 million
In service: 1992-present
Produced: 5,000+
Weight: 64.8 tonnes
Length: 7.9 m (Excludes gun)
Width: 3.8 m
Height: 2.3 m
Crew: 3 (Commander, driver and gunner)
Armour: Steel-Composite Armour (Includes NERA)
Main armament: 1x 140mm ETC Smothbore Gun/Launcher
Secondary armament: 2x Kord 12.7mm Heavy Machine Guns
Powerplant 1x 1,500 hp Diesel Engine
Power/weight: 23.1 hp/t
Suspension: Hydropneumatic
Range: 750 kilometres
Speed: 62 km/h

Sounds like an fairly average NS autoloaded tank that's somehow swallowed a 140mm ETC gun-launcher without gaining weight and costs ten million dollars.

[Vorkova]

How is this for some basic statistics?

Type: Heavy Battle Tank
Builders: Soviet State Armaments
Operators: Soviet Ground Forces
Price: $10.4 million
In service: 1992-present
Produced: 5,000+
Weight: 64.8 tonnes
Length: 7.9 m (Excludes gun)
Width: 3.8 m
Height: 2.3 m
Crew: 3 (Commander, driver and gunner)
Armour: Steel-Composite Armour (Includes NERA)
Main armament: 1x 140mm ETC Smothbore Gun/Launcher
Secondary armament: 2x Kord 12.7mm Heavy Machine Guns
Powerplant 1x 1,500 hp Diesel Engine
Power/weight: 23.1 hp/t
Suspension: Hydropneumatic
Range: 750 kilometres
Speed: 62 km/h

Sounds like an autoloaded M1 Abrams that's somehow swallowed a 140mm ETC gun-launcher without gaining weight and doubled in price.

I actually based it off of the T-90, not the Abrams. If the T-90 can mount a 125mm and only weigh 47 tons, then won't a 140mm add on a bit more?

[Imperializt Russia]

Sounds like an autoloaded M1 Abrams that's somehow swallowed a 140mm ETC gun-launcher without gaining weight and doubled in price.

I actually based it off of the T-90, not the Abrams. If the T-90 can mount a 125mm and only weigh 47 tons, then won't a 140mm add on a bit more?

I wasn't certain of the origin of the stats, hence why I edited my post.
60-ish tons is pretty representative of stock Western MBTs.

For Russian flavour (especially Soviet), you wouldn't traditionally be looking at the 140mm calibre or ETC technology (especially in 1992), but rather the 152mm conventional gun.
The Russians successfully fitted a 152mm gun turret to the T-80 chassis, purportedly designated the 2A81 gun. I'm not sure how much it would add to its mass, but certainly less than twenty tons.
It would not represent a significant loss in ammunition capacity, but a significant gain in flexibility and target effect.

[Immoren]

Sounds like an autoloaded M1 Abrams that's somehow swallowed a 140mm ETC gun-launcher without gaining weight and doubled in price.

I actually based it off of the T-90, not the Abrams. If the T-90 can mount a 125mm and only weigh 47 tons, then won't a 140mm add on a bit more?

ETC gun is heavier than traditional chemical propellant gun.

[Vorkova]

I actually based it off of the T-90, not the Abrams. If the T-90 can mount a 125mm and only weigh 47 tons, then won't a 140mm add on a bit more?

I wasn't certain of the origin of the stats, hence why I edited my post.
60-ish tons is pretty representative of stock Western MBTs.

For Russian flavour (especially Soviet), you wouldn't traditionally be looking at the 140mm calibre or ETC technology (especially in 1992), but rather the 152mm conventional gun.
The Russians successfully fitted a 152mm gun turret to the T-80 chassis, purportedly designated the 2A81 gun. I'm not sure how much it would add to its mass, but certainly less than twenty tons.
It would not represent a significant loss in ammunition capacity, but a significant gain in flexibility and target effect.

Sorry, only seen your edit after I posted that. I was initially going to with a 152mm, but I thought it would drastically reduce the ammunition capacity. If you think adding one in wouldn't affect the ammunition too much, that's good enough for me.

[Vorkova]

I actually based it off of the T-90, not the Abrams. If the T-90 can mount a 125mm and only weigh 47 tons, then won't a 140mm add on a bit more?

ETC gun is heavier than traditional chemical propellant gun.

What kind of weight should I be looking at then?

EDIT: Should I just take the ETC out and go with a regular gun?