Main Military Weapon of Your Country. MMW A10

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

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Muzzle Loaded flare? Does the round have enough energy for a bullet catcher to fire a flare way up?

Maybe? The 8.2mm projectile generates ~2,169j, and the 4.2mm flechette generates 1,930j.

Edit:
Spanish Mauser, chambered in 7mm Mauser

[Fordorsia]

An interesting read.

As an law enforcement officer and a supervisor thereof...had he done this before this incident, I'd have admonished him and thought he was being crazy....however, given his personal experience, I can understand his thinking.

Please everyone note that this is, of course, a very, very extraordinary situation and should not be viewed as "Well, this guy carries fuck loads of ammo so every cop ever should too.". Its still a little bit over the top....understandable, but over the top.

I can say that, from a public relations standpoint, I would not want to see one of my men carrying this much ammunition on his person. The whole "he was out to kill someone, just look at how much ammo he has!" thing applies. The same reason is applied to why departments that don't issue guns or standardize ammo don't want officers carrying .357, .44 or any other "high powered" cartridge (I had to get special permission for our assistant chief to carry 10 mm when I did), because in a civil trail, it is common for the prosecution to attempt to paint the officer as a killer, and insinuate that he wants to murder people, and state that the reason he carries such powerful rounds i because he likes the idea of killing suspects.

Whilst I'm strongly for the idea of allowing police officers the freedom of using their own weapon and ammo, I agree that carrying that much ammo is highly inefficient and dangerous. If he'd ever have to give chase on foot, depending on his age and fitness, he'd be McFucked. Although he could just live up to American police stereotypes and shoot anyone he's chasing.

[Yes Im Biop]

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Muzzle Loaded flare? Does the round have enough energy for a bullet catcher to fire a flare way up?

Maybe? The 8.2mm projectile generates ~2,169j, and the 4.2mm flechette generates 1,930j.

Yeah you could probably send a flare a few hundred feet up

[Transnapastain]

Wait you can't use a Blackhawk if your a Cop?

I'm not going to say "can't", I'm sure there's some country department in some podunk county somewhere where the sheriff thinks that's "fuckin awesome."

I can and will say that the majority of departments, at least any I'm familiar with, would discourage that, or outright forbid it, due to the reasons above. Also, for the record, at least in the state of Ohio, the qualification for handgun and revolver are different and an officer must take both if he wants to carry a revolver.

So, for example, if you carry a generic Glock 22 as your service weapon, but want a snub .357 or .38 as a backup, you'd have to qualify desperately with the revolver, and requal independently from your service weapon.

It does not, however, make a distinction between calibers. I believe the law states if you can carry one "higher" and any "lower" than the caliber you qualified with. So, for example, using standard rounds only, if you qualified with a .45, you could carry ,40 or 9mm. If you qualify with a 9 mm, you can carry a .40, but not a .45. Before someone asks, I do not have a chart, and do not know if one exists, that "ranks" handgun rounds form "lowest to highest" in these terms, use your common sense. In general, you don't see cops carrying oddball rounds.

You can of course encouraged to carry the exact weapon you qualified with.

[Bhelyant]

As an law enforcement officer and a supervisor thereof...had he done this before this incident, I'd have admonished him and thought he was being crazy....however, given his personal experience, I can understand his thinking.

Please everyone note that this is, of course, a very, very extraordinary situation and should not be viewed as "Well, this guy carries fuck loads of ammo so every cop ever should too.". Its still a little bit over the top....understandable, but over the top.

I can say that, from a public relations standpoint, I would not want to see one of my men carrying this much ammunition on his person. The whole "he was out to kill someone, just look at how much ammo he has!" thing applies. The same reason is applied to why departments that don't issue guns or standardize ammo don't want officers carrying .357, .44 or any other "high powered" cartridge (I had to get special permission for our assistant chief to carry 10 mm when I did), because in a civil trail, it is common for the prosecution to attempt to paint the officer as a killer, and insinuate that he wants to murder people, and state that the reason he carries such powerful rounds i because he likes the idea of killing suspects.

Meh. They can already do that with the patrol rifles police officers are issued nowadays. It's just that no one throws a hissy fit because the police are the only ones professional enough (that's tongue in cheek) to have such a firearm... It's a non issue IMO - some animals are more equal than others and all that jazz.

[Transnapastain]

As an law enforcement officer and a supervisor thereof...had he done this before this incident, I'd have admonished him and thought he was being crazy....however, given his personal experience, I can understand his thinking.

Please everyone note that this is, of course, a very, very extraordinary situation and should not be viewed as "Well, this guy carries fuck loads of ammo so every cop ever should too.". Its still a little bit over the top....understandable, but over the top.

I can say that, from a public relations standpoint, I would not want to see one of my men carrying this much ammunition on his person. The whole "he was out to kill someone, just look at how much ammo he has!" thing applies. The same reason is applied to why departments that don't issue guns or standardize ammo don't want officers carrying .357, .44 or any other "high powered" cartridge (I had to get special permission for our assistant chief to carry 10 mm when I did), because in a civil trail, it is common for the prosecution to attempt to paint the officer as a killer, and insinuate that he wants to murder people, and state that the reason he carries such powerful rounds i because he likes the idea of killing suspects.

Whilst I'm strongly for the idea of allowing police officers the freedom of using their own weapon and ammo, I agree that carrying that much ammo is highly inefficient and dangerous. If he'd ever have to give chase on foot, depending on his age and fitness, he'd be McFucked. Although he could just live up to American police stereotypes and shoot anyone he's chasing.

We're not allowed to do that any more, thank you Tennessee vs Garner

[Fordorsia]

Ignoring the impossibility, I'm now issuing all my police officers with FN FALs and nuclear bullets.

Fordorsian Police Motto: "Civilians can't press charges against you if there are no civilians to press charges against you. Overkill is the only way you can be certain of anything."

[Paddy O Fernature]

Wait you can't use a Blackhawk if your a Cop?

I'm not going to say "can't", I'm sure there's some country department in some podunk county somewhere where the sheriff thinks that's "fuckin awesome."

I can and will say that the majority of departments, at least any I'm familiar with, would discourage that, or outright forbid it, due to the reasons above. Also, for the record, at least in the state of Ohio, the qualification for handgun and revolver are different and an officer must take both if he wants to carry a revolver.

So, for example, if you carry a generic Glock 22 as your service weapon, but want a snub .357 or .38 as a backup, you'd have to qualify desperately with the revolver, and requal independently from your service weapon.

It does not, however, make a distinction between calibers. I believe the law states if you can carry one "higher" and any "lower" than the caliber you qualified with. So, for example, using standard rounds only, if you qualified with a .45, you could carry ,40 or 9mm. If you qualify with a 9 mm, you can carry a .40, but not a .45. Before someone asks, I do not have a chart, and do not know if one exists, that "ranks" handgun rounds form "lowest to highest" in these terms, use your common sense. In general, you don't see cops carrying oddball rounds.

You can of course encouraged to carry the exact weapon you qualified with.

I've actually heard of something very similar to this while chatting with my counterparts on the force at one point in time. I do know, that a saavy prosecutor could nail you for "excessive force" if you use a handgun in self defense that is a larger caliber then what the local PD generally considers standard.

[Transnapastain]

I'm not going to say "can't", I'm sure there's some country department in some podunk county somewhere where the sheriff thinks that's "fuckin awesome."

I can and will say that the majority of departments, at least any I'm familiar with, would discourage that, or outright forbid it, due to the reasons above. Also, for the record, at least in the state of Ohio, the qualification for handgun and revolver are different and an officer must take both if he wants to carry a revolver.

So, for example, if you carry a generic Glock 22 as your service weapon, but want a snub .357 or .38 as a backup, you'd have to qualify desperately with the revolver, and requal independently from your service weapon.

It does not, however, make a distinction between calibers. I believe the law states if you can carry one "higher" and any "lower" than the caliber you qualified with. So, for example, using standard rounds only, if you qualified with a .45, you could carry ,40 or 9mm. If you qualify with a 9 mm, you can carry a .40, but not a .45. Before someone asks, I do not have a chart, and do not know if one exists, that "ranks" handgun rounds form "lowest to highest" in these terms, use your common sense. In general, you don't see cops carrying oddball rounds.

You can of course encouraged to carry the exact weapon you qualified with.

I've actually heard of something very similar to this while chatting with my counterparts on the force at one point in time. I do know, that a saavy prosecutor could nail you for "excessive force" if you use a handgun in self defense that is a larger caliber then what the local PD generally considers standard.

Interesting to see how it applies in the civilian world too, I ca total believe that.

I used to keep the first round of my home defense shotgun loaded with less-lethal rubber ball ammo, thinking that if I can incapacitate an intruder without killing him, so much the better. Turns out that's a bad idea in court, because the response is "If you felt safe enough to deploy less-lethal ammunition, you weren't in fear for your life"

Which s a crock of shit but..

Also, for anyone who has never seen the Use of Force/Action-Response Continuum

[Yes Im Biop]

And people have to question why I distrust Lawyers.

[Transnapastain]

And people have to question why I distrust Lawyers.

They're pretty awesome when you need them.

[Fordorsia]

I've actually heard of something very similar to this while chatting with my counterparts on the force at one point in time. I do know, that a saavy prosecutor could nail you for "excessive force" if you use a handgun in self defense that is a larger caliber then what the local PD generally considers standard.

Interesting to see how it applies in the civilian world too, I ca total believe that.

I used to keep the first round of my home defense shotgun loaded with less-lethal rubber ball ammo, thinking that if I can incapacitate an intruder without killing him, so much the better. Turns out that's a bad idea in court, because the response is "If you felt safe enough to deploy less-lethal ammunition, you weren't in fear for your life"

Which s a crock of shit but..

Also, for anyone who has never seen the Use of Force/Action-Response Continuum

I don't care what any of those kinds of laws say. If someone wants to break into my house or attack me somewhere, I'll try my best to kill them. #FordLaw.

At least I won't have any responsibilities in jail.

I don't have any responsibilities now

[Yes Im Biop]

And people have to question why I distrust Lawyers.

They're pretty awesome when you need them.

I hope to never need one.

[Yes Im Biop]

Interesting to see how it applies in the civilian world too, I ca total believe that.

I used to keep the first round of my home defense shotgun loaded with less-lethal rubber ball ammo, thinking that if I can incapacitate an intruder without killing him, so much the better. Turns out that's a bad idea in court, because the response is "If you felt safe enough to deploy less-lethal ammunition, you weren't in fear for your life"

Which s a crock of shit but..

Also, for anyone who has never seen the Use of Force/Action-Response Continuum

I don't care what any of those kinds of laws say. If someone wants to break into my house, I'll try my best to kill them. #FordLaw.

At least I won't have any responsibilities in jail.

I don't have any responsibilities now

Biop Law: If they aren't supposed to be there, Kill them.

SHit... Trans How do I search for threads I authored? Not every single one I posted in

[Fordorsia]

I don't care what any of those kinds of laws say. If someone wants to break into my house, I'll try my best to kill them. #FordLaw.

At least I won't have any responsibilities in jail.

I don't have any responsibilities now

Biop Law: If they aren't supposed to be there, Kill them.

The outlook on life of Fordorsia and myself: "If they exist, it doesn't matter if they die."

I'm pretty sure that's as nihilistic as it gets. I don't care for anything, except for wanting to own and shoot lots of guns.


If I ever get a 3D printer, I'm most likely going to print some Fordorsian weapons. That should do.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Biop Law: If they aren't supposed to be there, Kill them.

Arch Law states that any person, or persons, may take whatever steps or actions they deem necessary to keep themselves or their property safe.

[Yes Im Biop]

Biop Law: If they aren't supposed to be there, Kill them.

Arch Law states that any person, or persons, may take whatever steps or actions they deem necessary to keep themselves or their property safe.

More or less

[Fordorsia]

Biop Law: If they aren't supposed to be there, Kill them.

Arch Law states that any person, or persons, may take whatever steps or actions they deem necessary to keep themselves or their property safe.

What does Arch Law define as property? Hwhere you got dem slaves, boy?

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

More or less

Indeed.
Add to that the fact that ROFLstomp PDWs generally sell for about as much as a Glock...

[Yes Im Biop]

More or less

Indeed.
Add to that the fact that ROFLstomp PDWs generally sell for about as much as a Glock...

Get's me to smile, Every time

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

What does Arch Law define as property? Hwhere you got dem slaves, boy?

I imagine Arch Law defines property as, quite simply, anything you can provide (see: Forge) the appropriate forms for. Assumeably this covers everything from consumer appliances, to real estate, to military hardware (anything your wallet can handle), to animals and humans.

[Fordorsia]

Anyone know of ballistic calculators or whatever they're called that don't require you to put in bullet weights and crazy science facts? Or is that needed?

I must know what my 8x60mm can do.

[Bhelyant]

Anyone know of ballistic calculators or whatever they're called that don't require you to put in bullet weights and crazy science facts? Or is that needed?

I must know what my 8x60mm can do.
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I really like this one (if only because it lets you compare to more contemporary munitions.) You still need to know a lot of specifics, but those are easy enough to find. Midway has the ballistic coefficient for most of the bullets they carry, so it's great reference.

[Fordorsia]

Anyone know of ballistic calculators or whatever they're called that don't require you to put in bullet weights and crazy science facts? Or is that needed?

I must know what my 8x60mm can do.
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I really like this one (if only because it lets you compare to more contemporary munitions.) You still need to know a lot of specifics, but those are easy enough to find. Midway has the ballistic coefficient for most of the bullets they carry, so it's great reference.

Thanks, but I've only put in bullet weight as 180. I have no idea what to put for initial velocity or anything else.

I thought that's what it's supposed to calculate for you anyway?

[Bhelyant]

Thanks, but I've only put in bullet weight as 180. I have no idea what to put for initial velocity or anything else.

I thought that's what it's supposed to calculate for you anyway?

What are you trying to figure out? Find velocity, case capacity, trajectory, other?