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Posted: **Sat Jun 15, 2013 11:01 pm**

Transnapastain wrote:
Registug wrote:SMGs have had so little character since then, though.

They may not be the most well manufactured things ever, but they'll fuck you up anyway.

While I don't disagree, the fact that a firearm "will fuck you up" should not be a point in its favor. In proper hands a .22 caliber pistol is quite deadly, ask the Mossad if you dare.

I mean, saying "X gun or type of gun is awesome cause it'll fuck you up" is like saying "This car is bad ass cause the engine runs." Its just....kind of something you expect from it. :P

Aha, but that's just more points in their favour.

The car's made out of corrugated iron and drainage pipe yet it still manages to get up to road speed. Bra-fucking-vo, I say!

And they sang as they marched down to the harbour!
You'll come a' waltzin' matilda with me!

Posted: **Sat Jun 15, 2013 11:04 pm**

Registug wrote:The car's made out of corrugated iron and drainage pipe yet it still manages to get up to road speed. Bra-fucking-vo, I say!

Give me a proper slope and a hefty push and I might pass road speed!

Posted: **Sat Jun 15, 2013 11:11 pm**

Transnapastain wrote:
The Archangel Conglomerate wrote:I was never too keen on the Grease Gun. Nor any WWII era submachine guns for that matter.

I'm pretty much with you on this one.

The Sten and the Grease Gun (more so the Sten), afaik, were unreliable at best. I've heard it said that you don't shoot a M3, you just press the trigger and tag along for the experience. As to the Sten, once again, I've heard it said that "in the hands of a trained shooter, its practically useless."

Everyone loves the Thompson, and I suppose its pretty bitchin, cause ".45 Murrica fuck ya" or something, even if had to be simplified several times over before it could enter mass production.enough could be produced to keep up with war time demand.

You know, I honestly don't know too much about the MP38/MP40, but I've never heard anyone praising hem for their accuracy.

I think that is true for early model Stens, but later models (Mk V onwards) were pretty effective in the role they were intended to play and remained in service until the late 1950's/60's. The reliability issues were more to do with the magazine than the weapon itself, which functioned very efficiently in the western desert if I remember correctly.

The MP40 is to the best of my knowledge considered the best SMG of WWII, and was frequently swapped by allied troops for their Stens or M3s, and was generally well regarded in terms of their accuracy compared to other weapons of the era.

Posted: **Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:31 am**

Posted: **Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:32 am**

5 and 10 rounds burst used at 25 and 50m, 5 rounds burst at longer ranges. Standing shooting position.

Overall P/H worst to best:

Sten, MP-40, Thompson, PPSH-41, Beretta, M56.

25m - all equal

50m:

- Sten 80% hit ratio

- rest ~95%

100m:

- Sten - 50% hit ratio

- MP-40 - 60%

- Thompson - 70%

- rest ~90%

150m:

Sten - 30%

MP-40 - 35%

Thompson - 40%

Beretta - 65%

PPSh - 70%

M56 - 80%

200m :

Sten - 10%

MP-40 - 15%

Thompson - 15%

Beretta - 25%

PPSh - 35%

M56 - 45%

Suomi SMG acceptance tests. Left target is single shots, right one is 50 shots in bursts. Distance 100 metres:

Posted: **Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:45 am**

San-Silvacian wrote:
Benomia wrote:
Is a bullpup assault rifle. Your point?

No it isn't Beano.

Its pretty well known your antics are not liked and are very much so walking the edge with the mods. You are on the edge and keep attempting to push us further and further.

It is very annoying and one of the many reasons certain members don't even want to come here anymore. You know that?

Because debating the meaning of PDW = trolling, right?
:roll:

Posted: **Sun Jun 16, 2013 2:01 am**

Benomia wrote:
San-Silvacian wrote:
No it isn't Beano.

Its pretty well known your antics are not liked and are very much so walking the edge with the mods. You are on the edge and keep attempting to push us further and further.

It is very annoying and one of the many reasons certain members don't even want to come here anymore. You know that?

Because debating the meaning of PDW = trolling, right?

To be honest, I didn't even know what the hell you were talking about in regards to that argument.

And now, the most raved about submachine gun since WW2:

Posted: **Sun Jun 16, 2013 2:19 am**

The Republic of Lanos wrote:And now, the most raved about submachine gun since WW2:
(Image)

...what about the MP5?

Posted: **Sun Jun 16, 2013 2:32 am**

Transnapastain wrote:
The Archangel Conglomerate wrote:I was never too keen on the Grease Gun. Nor any WWII era submachine guns for that matter.

I'm pretty much with you on this one.

The Sten and the Grease Gun (more so the Sten), afaik, were unreliable at best. I've heard it said that you don't shoot a M3, you just press the trigger and tag along for the experience. As to the Sten, once again, I've heard it said that "in the hands of a trained shooter, its practically useless."

I think that's probably about the Sten II, am I right? By the time it reached the Mk V it had improved considerably, I believe.

Posted: **Sun Jun 16, 2013 2:53 am**

Purpelia wrote:Alright gun people. Short vs long stroke, what do you prefer and why?

Short, because it has almost the same level of reliability and ease of production as long, while having more accuracy and less recoil.

Posted: **Sun Jun 16, 2013 2:56 am**

Benomia wrote:
San-Silvacian wrote:
No it isn't Beano.

Its pretty well known your antics are not liked and are very much so walking the edge with the mods. You are on the edge and keep attempting to push us further and further.

It is very annoying and one of the many reasons certain members don't even want to come here anymore. You know that?

Because debating the meaning of PDW = trolling, right?

I think Beno is fine.

..probably because we are as bad as eachother..

..and mods hate us..

Posted: **Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:03 am**

Czechovelkov wrote:..and mods hate us..

Everyone hates us: we're MMW. We're like the poster children of Realismfggtry.

Posted: **Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:55 am**

Kouralia wrote:
Czechovelkov wrote:..and mods hate us..

Everyone hates us: we're MMW. We're like the poster children of Realismfggtry.

This needs to go in someone sig.

Posted: **Sun Jun 16, 2013 4:01 am**

Czechovelkov wrote:
Kouralia wrote:Everyone hates us: we're MMW. We're like the poster children of Realismfggtry.

This needs to go in someone sig.

Eyyup. But not yours. It's illegal, since sigs are only meant to be 8 lines in length.

Posted: **Sun Jun 16, 2013 4:12 am**

Nua Corda wrote:(Image)

No 19th Century Army is complete without the Venerable Pattern 1845 Rifle-Musket, complete with Musketoon and Field-Expedient pistol variants. Officially the most widely exported muzzle-loading rifle in Terra Firma. Why? Because I say so.

The pistol variant is beautiful.

Posted: **Sun Jun 16, 2013 4:31 am**

Benomia wrote:
The Republic of Lanos wrote:And now, the most raved about submachine gun since WW2:
(Image)

...what about the MP5?

Forget not the good ol' Sterling!

Posted: **Sun Jun 16, 2013 4:49 am**

Czechovelkov wrote:
Kouralia wrote:Everyone hates us: we're MMW. We're like the poster children of Realismfggtry.

This needs to go in someone sig.

It was already in mine.

Posted: **Sun Jun 16, 2013 4:49 am**

Benomia wrote:
Czechovelkov wrote:This needs to go in someone sig.

It was already in mine.

*glomps Beno*

Posted: **Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:28 am**

Now if that ain't super kawaiii desu I don't know what is.

Posted: **Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:30 am**

I'm just gonna keep posting this until you all enter.

Posted: **Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:35 am**

Benomia wrote:I'm just gonna keep posting this until you all enter.

Don't do that.

Posted: **Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:38 am**

Posted: **Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:43 am**

Benomia wrote:I'm just gonna keep posting this until you all enter.

"Caseless, telescoped, or polymer-cased ammunition."
You're in Southeast Asia. Caseless will fall apart.

Posted: **Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:47 am**

^yeee boiiiii

everyone in that competition has ripped off some gun and said it's a super gun.

good luck beno.

Posted: **Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:54 am**

Yea... I could actually offer an entry but the CTA thing is out of the question. Too bad people are leaving the full powered rifle master class for plastic rounds.

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