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What gun can be submerged in seawater and be okay?
Brown Enhanced Automatic Rifle?

Coastal Union wrote:What gun can be submerged in seawater and be okay?
Brown Enhanced Automatic Rifle?

A fair few rifles. The HK416 marketing material made quite a lot of it, though.

Coastal Union wrote:What gun can be submerged in seawater and be okay?
Brown Enhanced Automatic Rifle?

This, this, and this.

:3

Crookfur wrote:

Benomia wrote:
The entire point of the L64 was its cartridge. A bullpup AR-18 is just an SA80/L85/L86.

not really, it was a bullpup AR-18 first with a new round, designed to be easily interchangable with exisitng 5.56mm weapons, second.

Exactly.
So an unpuped L64 would be a rechambered AR-18, but it's easier to type something that doesn't involve hyphens.

Gewer 259R with folding stock using SVU-A 20-round magazines as a 1960s DMR, y/n?

Benomia wrote:Gewer 259R with folding stock using SVU-A 20-round magazines as a 1960s DMR, y/n?

Not unless you have a good reason to have an SVT in the squad.

Saphirasia wrote:This, this, and this.

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Thalis wrote:

Benomia wrote:Gewer 259R with folding stock using SVU-A 20-round magazines as a 1960s DMR, y/n?

Not unless you have a good reason to have an SVT in the squad.

Do you have a reason not to?

Fordorsia wrote:I take it most of the regulars know about my FALcoholism. Knowing what I like in a rifle, what would be a decent battle rifle to replace my current one (which is based on the FN FAL)?

Know that my current rifle in in service in 2013 so this replacement battle rifle would need to be rather modern. It's an old platform that can no longer be improved.

Any suggestions?

Current Mk.8 Service Rifle
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You might want to consider slowing down the ROF on the FAL with a mechanism upgrade,to increase controllability. Dig up my H-LAR writeup from MMW 9 you might want to consider basing something off that system. It is a form of tilting lock, so it even has a bit of FALness to it.
Btw. I shall soon line art the H-LAR.

Kalumba wrote:

Aqizithiuda wrote:I forgot to mention it before, but the electric motor on your improved PIAT is a bad, bad idea. It'll only add considerable weight and bulk to the weapon.

So scrap the electric motor entirely then? I was originally thinking some sort of pneumatic system but thought that would be equally bulky and less reliable. So best just to stick with the old PIAT system, just with a charging handle for an easier reload if the spigot fails to lock back in place.

Pretty much. The PIAT is simple and reliable, that way.

@FORD

If you're not takin the L64, at least make it so your notafal uses polymer ammunition and fires from a 30-rounder.

Benomia wrote:Do you have a reason not to?

It's complex and needs a lot of maintenance, ergo a lot of time and training. The SVT's a good weapon, but between everything from production to use the quality of the peripherals (personnel, machinery etc) has to be high, and I'm sure you could find something better for a lower price (not just in cost terms) elsewhere.

Thalis wrote:

Benomia wrote:Do you have a reason not to?

It's complex and needs a lot of maintenance, ergo a lot of time and training. The SVT's a good weapon, but between everything from production to use the quality of the peripherals (personnel, machinery etc) has to be high, and I'm sure you could find something better for a lower price (not just in cost terms) elsewhere.

Closest thing I can think of is a rechambered SKS using detachable mags.

But then you have an SVT in your hands.

Thalis wrote:

Benomia wrote:Do you have a reason not to?

It's complex and needs a lot of maintenance, ergo a lot of time and training. The SVT's a good weapon, but between everything from production to use the quality of the peripherals (personnel, machinery etc) has to be high, and I'm sure you could find something better for a lower price (not just in cost terms) elsewhere.

From what I understand, the SVT-40 is pretty easy to operate and build.

Coastal Union wrote:What gun can be submerged in seawater and be okay?
Brown Enhanced Automatic Rifle?

The Mosin-Nagant, of course.

Coastal Union wrote:What gun can be submerged in seawater and be okay?
Brown Enhanced Automatic Rifle?

BEAR?

San-Silvacian wrote:

Thalis wrote:
It's complex and needs a lot of maintenance, ergo a lot of time and training. The SVT's a good weapon, but between everything from production to use the quality of the peripherals (personnel, machinery etc) has to be high, and I'm sure you could find something better for a lower price (not just in cost terms) elsewhere.

From what I understand, the SVT-40 is pretty easy to operate and build.

Operate yes.
Build I can't really tell for sure. In going to say yes because it, like most Soviet things, was made to be.

As for the SVU, beno, no. The SVU was designed in 1990 and first saw action in [expunged], and was officially adopted in 1994. The -A came about in 199...6 or 7. It, for the absolute last time I'm going over this, had INSANE AMOUNTS OF RECOIL.
I do not want to go over this again. The SVU-A is NOT, I repeat, NOT a good pick as a DMR outside of Air born troops.

Benomia wrote:

Thalis wrote:
It's complex and needs a lot of maintenance, ergo a lot of time and training. The SVT's a good weapon, but between everything from production to use the quality of the peripherals (personnel, machinery etc) has to be high, and I'm sure you could find something better for a lower price (not just in cost terms) elsewhere.

Closest thing I can think of is a rechambered SKS using detachable mags.

But then you have an SVT in your hands.

How about a full auto capable SKS with AK mags? The Chinese did it.

Puzikas wrote:

San-Silvacian wrote:
From what I understand, the SVT-40 is pretty easy to operate and build.

Operate yes.
Build I can't really tell for sure. In going to say yes because it, like most Soviet things, was made to be.

As for the SVU, beno, no. The SVU was designed in 1990 and first saw action in [expunged], and was officially adopted in 1994. The -A came about in 199...6 or 7. It, for the absolute last time I'm going over this, had INSANE AMOUNTS OF RECOIL.
I do not want to go over this again. The SVU is NOT, I repeat, NOT a good pick as a DMR outside of Air born troops.

I said the SVU-A's magazine. Unless you can think of another weapon that sported a twenty round 7.62x54R magazine?

Purpelia wrote:

Benomia wrote:
Closest thing I can think of is a rechambered SKS using detachable mags.

But then you have an SVT in your hands.

How about a full auto capable SKS with AK mags? The Chinese did it.

Is the AK not superior in every way? As opposed to the SVT, which is just WWIIswaggy, the SKS doesn't really have that.

Benomia wrote:

Purpelia wrote:How about a full auto capable SKS with AK mags? The Chinese did it.

Is the AK not superior in every way? As opposed to the SVT, which is just WWIIswaggy, the SKS doesn't really have that.

I kind of like the SKS better than either. It just looks sexy the way modern AR's just don't. I think it's the lack of a pistol grip.

Purpelia wrote:

Benomia wrote:
Is the AK not superior in every way? As opposed to the SVT, which is just WWIIswaggy, the SKS doesn't really have that.

I kind of like the SKS better than either. It just looks sexy the way modern AR's just don't. I think it's the lack of a pistol grip.

I will give you that. Good ol' fashion wood receiver & rifle stock beats out cold metal and pistol grip any day.

Coastal Union wrote:What gun can be submerged in seawater and be okay?
Brown Enhanced Automatic Rifle?

Most modern rifles can, some of them being capable of firing immediately after being brought up out of the water, while a couple can be fired underwater as well (although these are Russian).

*Ahem*

Planning on getting an SKS, how much does one cost?
Or should I get a SVT?