Main Military Weapon of Your Country. MMW A10

[Aqizithiuda]

In other news, Mass Effect guns are a thing, and (predictably) they're French.

http://youtu.be/pRrFWQXl-RE

The French: leading the way since 1886.

[Nua Corda]

Must... Resist... Urge to make surrender joke...

[Ulfr-Reich]

WW1/Interwar assault rifles: discuss.

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That glorious toggle locking rifle by Adolf Furrer, well, the damn thing could've been amongst the first fielded automatic rifles. Actually, Mannlicher's self loader tech could've changed history as well........

[Inquilabstan]

In other news, Mass Effect guns are a thing, and (predictably) they're French.

http://youtu.be/pRrFWQXl-RE

The French: leading the way since 1886.

Creating innovative weapons 20 years before the rest, and using them till they look like bows and arrows.

[Aqizithiuda]

WW1/Interwar assault rifles: discuss.

(Image)

That glorious toggle locking rifle by Adolf Furrer, well, the damn thing could've been amongst the first fielded automatic rifles. Actually, Mannlicher's self loader tech could've changed history as well........

The Mannlicher's reciprocating handguard put it at a disadvantage compared to, say, the Winchester Model 1907, which was fairly widely used by all allied armies during WW1.

The French: leading the way since 1886.

Creating innovative weapons 20 years before the rest, and using them till they look like bows and arrows.

Well, only when war and technology gets in the way. Remember, the French were about to issue a high velocity, 7mm, semi-automatic rifle before the outbreak of WW1 and had a version with detachable high capacity mags. Had WW1 started a little later, or the cartridge been finalised earlier, France might very well have lead the way for even longer.

[Inquilabstan]

That is true. However, wasn't the design unreliable? That is my recollection. As for me, I think the Avtomat wins theoretically, for the modularity capabilities, accuracy, and the cartridge. I must say though, the fouling was quite an issue wasn't it? Pity it was withdrawn with the other non standard calibers.

[Ulfr-Reich]

You know what disappoints me? The fact that no-one on here has done anything truly clever with either the Gerat 06 or the FG42 (G type, revised and non-funky). I'd bloody well love to see someone do something with either of them, all clever an' such. (Spree, weren't you talking about something like that way-back?)

[Inquilabstan]

What of the Gustloff Volkssturmgewehr? True, it was crude, but it is certainly a fascinating rifle.

[Ulfr-Reich]

What of the Gustloff Volkssturmgewehr? True, it was crude, but it is certainly a fascinating rifle.

Oh, well, the STG45, yeah. If somebody were to give it an improved manufacturing process, "smooth out" the various kinks and gubbins. It'd make an interesting service rifle if rechambered in a "native/local" cartridge. Plus, that left-side charging handle would work quite practically for an infantryman.


Oh my, I just had a thought, FG42s converted to .303 and made to utilize Bren magazines. That, or 7.62 (nato), and converted to fire from FAL or G3 magazines.

[Aqizithiuda]

That is true. However, wasn't the design unreliable? That is my recollection. As for me, I think the Avtomat wins theoretically, for the modularity capabilities, accuracy, and the cartridge. I must say though, the fouling was quite an issue wasn't it? Pity it was withdrawn with the other non standard calibers.

Best I can tell, the Meunier's main fault was that it was more complex and expensive than the RSC 1917 and used a new type of ammo. Of course, being based on the Remington Model 8, it really wasn't that complex or expensive in reality.

For me, the Avtomat isn't ideal. It's heavy, fiddly and fairly hard to put back together right. Something like the Cei-Rigotti modified to take detachable magazines or the Remington Model 8 in .25 Remington would be, in my mind, a better choice. If you don't mind relatively poor ballistics beyond 300-400 metres, a modified Winchester 1907 in .345 WMR makes for a nice, compact, simple rifle.

What of the Gustloff Volkssturmgewehr? True, it was crude, but it is certainly a fascinating rifle.

I believe it's operating system was modified and used in Steyr GB. I did use a version of the Gustloff with some elements borrowed from the Mauser Volkspistole, but it got retconned out due to a change in firearms a decade or so prior.

[Inquilabstan]

What of the Gustloff Volkssturmgewehr? True, it was crude, but it is certainly a fascinating rifle.

Oh, well, the STG45, yeah. If somebody were to give it an improved manufacturing process, "smooth out" the various kinks and gubbins. It'd make an interesting service rifle if rechambered in a "native/local" cartridge. Plus, that left-side charging handle would work quite practically for an infantryman.


Oh my, I just had a thought, FG42s converted to .303 and made to utilize Bren magazines. That, or 7.62 (nato), and converted to fire from FAL or G3 magazines.

Yeah, the process would actually be brilliant for indigenous weapons production in post war, ex-colonies. Interesting idea. As for the FG42s, that sounds more feasible in 7.62. I haven't fired 7.62, but .303 has a fine kick.

[Aqizithiuda]

Oh, well, the STG45, yeah. If somebody were to give it an improved manufacturing process, "smooth out" the various kinks and gubbins. It'd make an interesting service rifle if rechambered in a "native/local" cartridge. Plus, that left-side charging handle would work quite practically for an infantryman.


Oh my, I just had a thought, FG42s converted to .303 and made to utilize Bren magazines. That, or 7.62 (nato), and converted to fire from FAL or G3 magazines.

Yeah, the process would actually be brilliant for indigenous weapons production in post war, ex-colonies. Interesting idea. As for the FG42s, that sounds more feasible in 7.62. I haven't fired 7.62, but .303 has a fine kick.

It should be roughly comparable.

[Ulfr-Reich]

Oh, well, the STG45, yeah. If somebody were to give it an improved manufacturing process, "smooth out" the various kinks and gubbins. It'd make an interesting service rifle if rechambered in a "native/local" cartridge. Plus, that left-side charging handle would work quite practically for an infantryman.


Oh my, I just had a thought, FG42s converted to .303 and made to utilize Bren magazines. That, or 7.62 (nato), and converted to fire from FAL or G3 magazines.

Yeah, the process would actually be brilliant for indigenous weapons production in post war, ex-colonies. Interesting idea. As for the FG42s, that sounds more feasible in 7.62. I haven't fired 7.62, but .303 has a fine kick.

See, I was thinking that the Gerat 06/STG45 following the aforementioned local production/native with all the kinks and gubbins ironed out with a refined manufacturing process could act as a "cornerstone" tech for said nation, and acting as a stepping stone for future rifle stylings and technologies.

Though, I did just have another thought on quasi-retrofitted and altered arsenals. Take a Krag-Jørgensen magazine, slap on a toggle lock, or Ljungmann AG-42 mechanism, then deliver the reliability of the SVT 40. And, of all damn things, chamber it in 6.5×54mm Mannlicher-Schönauer. A glorious hybrid rifle, allowing for an enormous amount of flexibility in the field. With a simple modification, it could feed like a Johnson M1941 (the feed mechanism only), and could utilize side-loading box magazine.

Just another "trigger thought" involving firearm design.

Oh, another one, a Krag-Jørgensen magazine utilized in a shotgun design somehow.

[Benomia]

Finished coloring it. Will move on to shading later today.
Probably.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Guys, you'll never guess what just popped into my head.

So, the Gewer 43 had those sights. You know? Where it's like halfway down the rifle and practically flush with the receiver? Yeah. It had those sights.
So that style sight was carried over to the StG-44 when it was made, probably for commonality purposes.

When good ole Mikhail was making the AK, he had an StG-44 close by. The AK has those sights.

The AN-94, which took many cues from the AK, also has those sights.

You see what I mean? Russia is Nazi Germany!

The AN-94 does not share the AK sights.

how dtn, how is it real

Wait, triplebaconation is dtn?

Figures.

That makes sense I guess.

Is that three pan fead MG's all strapped together? I don't know whether to be repulsed or to think it is cute.

There really is no such thing as enough dakka.

Know what else the Russians did?
Strapped eighty PPSh-41s to the bomb bays of bombers.
Used them as anti-personnel weapons.

Quite how they intended to feed and reload them, I'm not really certain.

[Glaswegistan]

Know what else the Russians did?
Strapped eighty PPSh-41s to the bomb bays of bombers.
Used them as anti-personnel weapons.

I've heard of this one, but I've never been able to find any actual reports of the ideas combat effectiveness, don't suppose anyone here has ever heard of any accounts of the fire hedgehog being used in combat?

[Triplebaconation]

It was never used in combat for a very simple reason, nor was it a particularly original idea.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Know what else the Russians did?
Strapped eighty PPSh-41s to the bomb bays of bombers.
Used them as anti-personnel weapons.

I've heard of this one, but I've never been able to find any actual reports of the ideas combat effectiveness, don't suppose anyone here has ever heard of any accounts of the fire hedgehog being used in combat?

I think wiki says only a couple conversions were made, so I doubt it was ever actually used.

[New Harvest]

What if I created an ak47 bullpup which fired caseless ammo, as to reduce weight, and I made it out of plastic composites but I made the grip metal so it would not melt, and I could also modify it for a forward ejection system.. Opinions?

also is it possible to bullpup an AN94? probably not though..

[Benomia]

also is it possible to bullpup an AN94? probably not though..

I can't see why not. But a bullpup FG42 would be better.

[Kouralia]

What if I created an ak47 bullpup which fired caseless ammo, as to reduce weight, and I made it out of plastic composites but I made the grip metal so it would not melt, and I could also modify it for a forward ejection system.. Opinions?

also is it possible to bullpup an AN94? probably not though..

Uh... Don't use the AK-47 as it's pretty shit. Caseless ammo don't rly like standard actions. It wouldn't be an AK system if it were how you describe it.

Also, it probably is. Most weapons can be bullpup'd so long as their action does not extend into the stock.

[New Harvest]

What if I created an ak47 bullpup which fired caseless ammo, as to reduce weight, and I made it out of plastic composites but I made the grip metal so it would not melt, and I could also modify it for a forward ejection system.. Opinions?

also is it possible to bullpup an AN94? probably not though..

Uh... Don't use the AK-47 as it's pretty shit. Caseless ammo don't rly like standard actions. It wouldn't be an AK system if it were how you describe it.

Also, it probably is. Most weapons can be bullpup'd so long as their action does not extend into the stock.

I'm working on it now, and I'm abandoning the plastics, the forward ejection and the caseless ammo, because caseless ammo is unreliable, can 'cook off', has to be pre loaded and can has to be kept safe from rain and such, destroying the AK's amazing reliability. The plastics would probably mess up the AK's reliability, and forward ejection would mean me changing the AK even more, but I might create an AN94 bullpup, and load it with subsonic ammo for cqc

[New Harvest]

also is it possible to bullpup an AN94? probably not though..

I can't see why not. But a bullpup FG42 would be better.

what about a bullpup sturmgewehr?

[Ulfr-Reich]

I can't see why not. But a bullpup FG42 would be better.

what about a bullpup sturmgewehr?

Bullpup Gerat 06/STG45. Seriously, go for it. Just utilize alloy manufacturing methods and iron out the kinks, make it shoot a local cartridge (not the 8mm Kurz the Germans used).

[New Harvest]

what about a bullpup sturmgewehr?

Bullpup Gerat 06/STG45. Seriously, go for it. Just utilize alloy manufacturing methods and iron out the kinks, make it shoot a local cartridge (not the 8mm Kurz the Germans used).

should I chamber it for the 7.62?