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Fatatatutti
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Postby Fatatatutti » Thu May 02, 2013 9:13 am

Purpelia wrote:Certain facilities around the world including NORAD headquarters are burred under actual mountains and would require several 50MT warheads performing a ground burst right on top of them to ensure a killing blow.

"Armouring" headquarters is only one (small) part of their defense. More important is a distributed control network and - surprise - air defense. One of the biggest weaknesses of WMDs is that you have to get through the conventional defenses to deliver them.

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Postby Purpelia » Thu May 02, 2013 9:17 am

Fatatatutti wrote:
Purpelia wrote:Certain facilities around the world including NORAD headquarters are burred under actual mountains and would require several 50MT warheads performing a ground burst right on top of them to ensure a killing blow.

"Armouring" headquarters is only one (small) part of their defense. More important is a distributed control network and - surprise - air defense. One of the biggest weaknesses of WMDs is that you have to get through the conventional defenses to deliver them.

That's why you don't mass produce these huge bombs. It's very much a specialist weapon for when you absolutely have to make sure you have taken out every single node in their C&C network that can call those subs up and tell them to make a mess.
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Postby Quintium » Thu May 02, 2013 9:17 am

Nuclear weapons are not just approved of in Quintium as a threat; they are kept across the country, and in case of a large and sudden attack from abroad, the army has instructions to launch them at whatever military or political targets they can realistically reach. Biological weapons are not kept in any large numbers, but kept for scientific purposes in vaults, with military use banned at the moment. Chemical weapons that spread easily are not kept; however, chemical weapons that are very targeted are kept in significant numbers - enough to strike any regular invasion force without too much risk of high civilian casualties.
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Postby Fatatatutti » Thu May 02, 2013 9:24 am

Purpelia wrote:That's why you don't mass produce these huge bombs. It's very much a specialist weapon for when you absolutely have to make sure you have taken out every single node in their C&C network that can call those subs up and tell them to make a mess.

"Guaranteeing" the destruction of every node would require a huge overkill factor so a specialized weapon system requiring a specialized delivery system becomes a huge expenditure. Despite the daydreams of armchair generals, there is no magic wand for winning wars. The more you spend on cutsie bells and whistles, the less you have to spend on the conventional weapons that actually do the job.

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Postby Purpelia » Thu May 02, 2013 9:25 am

Fatatatutti wrote:
Purpelia wrote:That's why you don't mass produce these huge bombs. It's very much a specialist weapon for when you absolutely have to make sure you have taken out every single node in their C&C network that can call those subs up and tell them to make a mess.

"Guaranteeing" the destruction of every node would require a huge overkill factor so a specialized weapon system requiring a specialized delivery system becomes a huge expenditure. Despite the daydreams of armchair generals, there is no magic wand for winning wars. The more you spend on cutsie bells and whistles, the less you have to spend on the conventional weapons that actually do the job.

You mean the kind of huge overkill arsenals that actual superpowers kept back at the height of the cold war? :p
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Postby Fatatatutti » Thu May 02, 2013 9:36 am

Purpelia wrote:You mean the kind of huge overkill arsenals that actual superpowers kept back at the height of the cold war? :p

Exacty, the kind of arsenals that only huge superpowers could afford, that almost bankrupted them and that are were never of any real use.

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Postby Purpelia » Thu May 02, 2013 9:38 am

Fatatatutti wrote:
Purpelia wrote:You mean the kind of huge overkill arsenals that actual superpowers kept back at the height of the cold war? :p

Exacty, the kind of arsenals that only huge superpowers could afford, that almost bankrupted them and that are were never of any real use.

They were and still are of great use. If not for them we would have had WW3 several times over already. Like say in Korea. Seriously, WMD's are good. They keep the peace through scaring the other guy into being nice. Just like laws of the land keep the peace through scaring the peasantry into being obedient. It's the circle of fear.
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Postby Arcevia » Thu May 02, 2013 9:42 am

Arcevian Military Codex: Entry 9911 (Status of the WMD Arsenal)

The Arcevian Armed Forces does not use the aforementioned weapon systems as they lack the firepower our current enhanced weapon systems delivers. Our military forces uses a refracting particle weapon system to destroy delivery systems used to launch WMDs at the country. The refracting particle weapon system can also be used for offensive measures, capable of targeting industrial and energy production sectors of the enemy nation. Our military also uses a neutron missile system to kill organics while leaving the structures intact. Lastly, our military has developed a non-nuclear weapon system capable of producing a larger destructive power of a nuclear bomb while leaving no radioactive fallout.

The Supreme Chancellor knows that use of our enhanced weapon systems has severe consequences and he is ultimately responsible for the potential deaths. These weapons are only used as diplomatic leverages, used for last resort, or scare tactics to the enemy that threatens the nation's security. As these weapon systems are expensive to maintain, particularly the refracting particle weapon system, our stockpiles of neutron and N2 weapon systems are low compared to our conventional weapons.
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Postby SquareDisc City » Thu May 02, 2013 10:21 am

The United Pokemon Types strongly condemns the use of any weaponry to inflict civilian casualties or ecological damage of no military purpose. Of course, sometimes collateral damage is unavoidable. Inevitably we have space combat weapons that are quite capable of inflicting large-scale devastation on a planet and expect our important enemies to have similar, therefore intent, and not the nature of the weapon itself, is the important thing.

We also condemn the use of self-reproducing biological or nanotechnological weaponry as really effing stupid. You're letting loose something you can't know you'll keep in control of. You might think you've engineered in safeguards, but all it takes is one random mutation in one of a gazillion cells or nanites to defeat the safeguards and endanger yourself and your allies as much as your enemies.
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Postby Bodobol » Thu May 02, 2013 12:50 pm

Bodobol officially condemns WMDs, but the country still keeps them for emergencies.
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Postby Estainia » Thu May 02, 2013 12:53 pm

The Empire is a staunch opponent of all types of WMDs and strictly denounces their usage. It is also in the process of decommissioning its nuclear and chemical stockpiles.
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Postby Cameroi » Thu May 02, 2013 1:10 pm

we produce nothing who's only use is to destroy. nor do we encourage others to do so.
we do have some tools, with the capabilities of being used as weapons also.
energy beam excavating tools make nice big holes in anything attacking us, just as well as they dig tunnels for mining and railways.

but we don't produce them to be used as weapons. we make them to dig mines and railway tunnels.
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Postby Great Terran Republic » Thu May 02, 2013 1:51 pm

Nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons can be used to defend the nation under extreme conditions
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Postby Inquilabstan » Thu May 02, 2013 1:59 pm

Inquilabstan maintains a small arsenal of chemical and biological weaponry, with manufacturing units on standby for further usage, although the only actual use of the weapons was in 1962 during the siege of Amritsar, when Mustard gas was used against Hindustani positions outside the city. Inquilabstan maintains approximately 200 nuclear devices. Oficcialy, the arsenal is kept in strict secrecy.
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Postby Allmann » Fri May 03, 2013 9:08 am

We have no WMD's and generally view them with contempt.

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Postby Fatatatutti » Fri May 03, 2013 9:18 am

Purpelia wrote:If not for them we would have had WW3 several times over already.

It could be argued that WMDs prevented WW3. However, they didn't prevent hundreds of bush wars. It could also be argued that the superpowers' obsession with WMDs stunted their ability to wage conventional warfare. They basically lost every war they were in during the time they weren't fighting WW3.

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Postby Free Republics » Fri May 03, 2013 9:42 am

The Federation of Free Republics bans the private possession of WMDs at the Federation level. This ban was controversial and required an amendment to the Federation Constitution, which originally prohibited all weapons control legislation.

WMDs may be possessed by the Federation Government or by a Republic, but a first-strike with WMDs is prohibited by law. They may only be used as deterrence. Whether we possess WMDs is strictly confidential
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Postby Great-Bohemia » Mon May 06, 2013 1:41 am

Valkalan wrote:We possess many WMD's. Unfortunately for you, exact figures and capabilities are classified.


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Postby Esparmuran » Mon May 06, 2013 1:45 am

Generally thought negatively of here, but only because of jelously... we don't have any. >:(
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Postby The Union of Sapient Species » Mon May 06, 2013 2:02 am

An unfortunate necessity. The Union Navy has numbers, but apart from our Queen-Class dreadnoughts and a few new Rannoch Pattern cruisers, most of those numbers are converted civilian vessels. They don't have the kinetic barriers and armor to slug it out with the Turian Fleets, so they need to compensate with massive firepower. Nuclear weapons, especially casaba howitzers, are par for the course, as even the powerful armor and shields of a Turian battle-cruiser cannot withstand the lance of nuclear fire produced by a casaba-armed missile. The Union relies on a doctrine of overwhelming, lighting-fast force, since they simply don't have the infrastructure to survive a long, drawn-out siege war in enemy space. Keeping the enemy on the retreat constantly, so that they don't have the opportunity to dig in and bring their superior logistical power to bear is vital, especially with an enemy like the Turian Military. While flocks of converted freighters and the new warships the quarian and geth shipyards are churning out by the minute will do the job in space, and hordes of krogan and geth are excellent on the ground, massive use of WMDs in both theaters is necessary to prevent the enemy from gaining a solid foothold. Following the Carracas Massacre, the Union Provisional Government instituted the Retribution Protocol, authorizing field commanders to use disproportionate force against any and all Council-held worlds. In practice, this has led to massive use of nuclear artillery and orbital bombardment of Council Worlds.
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Postby Cerberus Reborn » Mon May 06, 2013 2:27 am

Excellent for killing large numbers of xeno scum quickly. Unfortunately, it's just not as personal as jamming an Omni-saw through their chests.
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Postby Ko-oren » Mon May 06, 2013 2:49 am

It has been considered by the government. We do not have an army, and WMDs give us an option to strike back. But we do not have them, we do not develop them.
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Postby The Whaltrean District » Mon May 06, 2013 2:50 am

We possess very many, but we condemn the use of them.
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Postby Meridiani Planum » Mon May 06, 2013 3:00 am

We're willing to use them as a last resort in extreme situations.

By "them", I mean our mass drivers, which don't fit any of the "nuclear", "biological", or "chemical" categories mentioned in the OP. Our weapons are kinetic.

In most situations, we condemn their use.
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Postby Pulant » Mon May 06, 2013 3:06 am

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