Main Military Weapon of Your Country, Type-9 [Read OP pl0x]

[3 State Alliance]

"FutureMRE-2000". "FuturePortAPot-2000".

"FutureCondom-2000"

"Children are not the future"

Anyway, moving on...
What are the hivemind's thoughts on a weapon designated the WA2001? Its literally a pirated WA2000 with polymer hardware, chambered in .303 British and used on a squad level thanks to CNC machining and reduced quality control. Its whole purpose is to bolster the massed fire from my Tigers with some very accurate shots. It would be able to take the standard Tiger 20 round magazine to ensure that ammunition is always plentiful.

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PORN FOR THE PORN GODS

[United Republics of Aralon]

I'm working on pneumatic silent mortars, but I cannot find any data regarding air/gas tank shot capacities for the few real ones so I have no idea ,whether there is a need for a secondary powersource like a small diesel compressor, or a quicklime*/steam based solution. (that sh*t generates a fucktonne of heat, it would be a good powersource, but safe handling porcedures present a problem) This solution is also close to my heart, being a true chemist's gun.
Mortar teams would probably ride in jeep like vehicles,so I need a heavy variant which is still foot transportable ICE, and a light version for dedicated dismounted usage. And a 3rd variant for IFV style vehicles.

* +1 point for being a true economic greenpeace gun.Waste producte is NaOH which is reusable as a chemical weapon.
Drain waste, load into an empty shell, watch them burn.

If something is dangerous to handle in peacetime, it's going to be a horrible idea on the battlefield. As for the pneumatic part, I'm pretty much just as lost as you are. I suspect you will need a compressor of some kind. You could try using pre-compressed launching fuel, like a CO2 canister, but I feel like the sheer volume of gas needed to propel a proper mortar round would make each one at least the size of a two-liter bottle, if not a 105mm howitzer shell.

That is my issue. I know the capacity would be several shots, but I don't know how many exactly. As of quicklime, not really dangerous just needs to be isolated from water. A metal/plastic canisters with rationed amounts would do well. Problems arise if the stuff is deliberately mishandled or if cannisters are shot open. If its rationed, only the idiocy issue remains. Anyone with a notion of how idiotproof stuff meant for for well trained soldiers must be?
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Compressors are likely to be heavy so they reduce ammo weight severely and they need fuel(gasoline/diesel) which is also dangerous, and adds further weight.Thats why the quicklime idea is more sympathetic as-of-yet.

[Black Hand]

"FutureCondom-2000"

"Children are not the future"

Anyway, moving on...
What are the hivemind's thoughts on a weapon designated the WA2001? Its literally a pirated WA2000 with polymer hardware, chambered in .303 British and used on a squad level thanks to CNC machining and reduced quality control. Its whole purpose is to bolster the massed fire from my Tigers with some very accurate shots. It would be able to take the standard Tiger 20 round magazine to ensure that ammunition is always plentiful.

Seems practical not going to replace my SVDK though I have been corrupted by Puzikas on that matter. Cost is still going to be a pain though, I mean there is little way to reduce the Cost of the Wa2000 without extensive automation or slave labor.

[United Republics of Aralon]

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Found a pic of a French pneumatic mortar in use during WWI.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but...I think that's a hand-pump.

. Its primary puropse will be the,move up, release ordnance undetected,GTFO, repeat sorta thing, so I need more rate of fire and range.
Tanks could be precharged with the pump of course, but the achievable pressures are limited, which limits range and shot capacity.
It isn't good to carry around a huge-ass tank for only 4-5 shots,low range and slow refill. Those stuff had a range of around 300meters according o the scarce data I found and thats sorta lol for an NLOS weapon. But it is surely the simplest and most reliable solution.

[Pyroclastia]

Anything of explosive or flame based nature will go in our country

[Black Hand]

(Image)

Found a pic of a French pneumatic mortar in use during WWI.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but...I think that's a hand-pump.

. Its primary puropse will be the,move up, release ordnance undetected,GTFO, repeat sorta thing, so I need more rate of fire and range.
Tanks could be precharged with the pump of course, but the achievable pressures are limited, which limits range and shot capacity.
It isn't good to carry around a huge-ass tank for only 4-5 shots,low range and slow refill.

So what your saying you want to build a pneumatic potato cannon and put Grenades in it, Is see where this is useful but.....

[United Republics of Aralon]

Anything of explosive or flame based nature will go in our country

Napalm for the glory of gods! Although you might wanna have something that has some range and cannot be blown back into your face by a storm.

[Lift]

f2000

DMR 2000

MP2000

WA2000

[Black Hand]

f2000
DMR 2000

MP2000(Image)

WA2000

Well I'll be damned I had completely forgotten that bastard offspring of of the UMP and MP5.

[Lolzieristan]

It looks...flimsy.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

MP2000

(Image)

MP5 with upholstery...

[United Republics of Aralon]

. Its primary puropse will be the,move up, release ordnance undetected,GTFO, repeat sorta thing, so I need more rate of fire and range.
Tanks could be precharged with the pump of course, but the achievable pressures are limited, which limits range and shot capacity.
It isn't good to carry around a huge-ass tank for only 4-5 shots,low range and slow refill.

So what your saying you want to build a pneumatic potato cannon and put Grenades in it, Is see where this is useful but.....

but? I know it sounds weird, but pneumatic guns were in use in both WWs* and the denial of counterfire makes them valuable tools in forest/urban scenarios.
*See Howel Projector, it was a pneumatic mortar/ AA cannon useful (limtedly though) against low flying aircraft.Its reach wasn't great , it could be used against aircraft flying no higher than 200m, but it had decent ROF and it was reputed to have great psychological effect.They are also cheap, as they save gunpowder.

[Lift]

MP2000

(Image)

MP5 with upholstery...

yes but it has 2000

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

MP5 with upholstery...

yes but it has 2000

Still OCD.

[Lolzieristan]

MP5 with upholstery...

yes but it has 2000

[The Advancers]

For some reason, that thing scares me.

Which one, and why? I mean, a bit of terror-inducing is always good, but if it's scaring the gun enthusiast in you because of how terrible it is...

*Unless you meant Fordosia's pistol in which case CARRY ON

[Black Hand]

So what your saying you want to build a pneumatic potato cannon and put Grenades in it, Is see where this is useful but.....

but? I know it sounds weird, but pneumatic guns were in use in both WWs* and the denial of counterfire makes them valuable tools in forest/urban scenarios.
*See Howel Projector, it was a pneumatic mortar/ AA cannon useful (limtedly though) against low flying aircraft.Its reach wasn't great , it could be used against aircraft flying no higher than 200m, but it had decent ROF and it was reputed to have great psychological effect.They are also cheap, as they save gunpowder.

I understand the benefit I just think it would be easier to include a pressurized tank along with the round itself And just extract the used tank (look at the cheap Co² cylinders used in BB and airsoft) this would make it much easier to use and allow a higher rate of fire. as for my previous comment I just love the idea of a bunch of soldiers using a potato cannon that could have been designed by a 6-year old.
and that MP200 actually has some good ideas it has the Mp5 collapsing stock and the Rest seems to be a UMP9

[Lift]

yes but it has 2000

i liked that game and it is better than the m16.

[Fordorsia]

What's with the sudden influx of nations using the WA2000 in the past few pages? It was too expensive and not durable enough for military use, so you may want something else.

[Black Hand]

What's with the sudden influx of nations using the WA2000 in the past few pages? It was too expensive and not durable enough for military use, so you may want something else.

It would be Lift's OCD involving the number 2000 and yes I agree it's fragile and well for it's price I could buy about 6 Tigr-9's and that's retail.

i liked that game and it is better than the m16.

No...no it's not it's terrible to compare against the M16 the M16 is an assault riffle the Mp5 is a SMG. A 9x19mm is not comparable to the 5.56x45mm it doesn't work. (when i compared the Hk33 and the Mp5 it was just preference not performance)

[San-Silvacian]

i liked that game and it is better than the m16.

Based on...?

[Benomia]

MP5 with upholstery...

yes but it has 2000

That's one of the worst excused for using a gun I've ever heard.

[San-Silvacian]

M113-2000 Gavin upgrade best Gavin?

AK-2000 best AK?

[Black Hand]

yes but it has 2000

That's one of the worst excused for using a gun I've ever heard.

Didn't you recently admit to designing a gun solely on the logic that it shared the colors of your flag( neon green and red are horrible camouflage unless your hiding in a gay pride parade)

[United Republics of Aralon]

but? I know it sounds weird, but pneumatic guns were in use in both WWs* and the denial of counterfire makes them valuable tools in forest/urban scenarios.
*See Howel Projector, it was a pneumatic mortar/ AA cannon useful (limtedly though) against low flying aircraft.Its reach wasn't great , it could be used against aircraft flying no higher than 200m, but it had decent ROF and it was reputed to have great psychological effect.They are also cheap, as they save gunpowder.

I understand the benefit I just think it would be easier to include a pressurized tank along with the round itself And just extract the used tank (look at the cheap Co² cylinders used in BB and airsoft) this would make it much easier to use and allow a higher rate of fire. as for my previous comment I just love the idea of a bunch of soldiers using a potato cannon that could have been designed by a 6-year old.
and that MP200 actually has some good ideas it has the Mp5 collapsing stock and the Rest seems to be a UMP9

ROF and weight would be better with one tank, you need a buffer chamber right behind the round, which means that air from individual canisters should first be fed in the buffer. More canisters would also mean more metal, and thus more weight, than one large tank.
Otherwise I know it is simpler to bring along prefilled air/CO₂ but I don't know whether it is possible to carry propellant enough for decent amount of shots on foot. More canisters would mean safer and easier handling though.