Main Military Weapon of Your Country, Type-9 [Read OP pl0x]

[Aqizithiuda]

Weight, complexity, ammunition weight and recoil will all count against it.



The idea I like, but my concern would be how well the troops will like the lever action when prone.

I always found that issue strange, I never had the issue shooting prone with lever action. And I tried to see where it came from, but honest to god I just never found any merit to it.

Plus, it would be used for mostly Calvary.

Fair enough. In that case, I say go for it!

[Black Hand]

Expensive yes but no more than handing out M4's like candy Like the US does.Or the PDR and besides It should provide more than plenty Firepower And it's basically A AN-94 styled like a AKS-74 it uses a Side folding Metal Skeletal stock and a Shortened Barrel. (yes I know that it already has A folding stock)

Weight, complexity, ammunition weight and recoil will all count against it.

I see your point
Weight: a An-94 weighs as much as A standard Ak-9 and only slightly more than a Ak-74M
Complexity: I'll give you this one i have no solution it is innate to the weapon but is the main pay-Off
Ammunition: Well a 20rnd mag should be fine
recoil: i need to talk to Puz about the AN-94 and 9X39 from what i understand it should be fine or at least tolerable)

[San-Silvacian]

AK-120 best PDW.

[Puzikas]

9x39=7.62x39 recoil for the most part.
AN-94 recoil with 5.45=Not there
9x39 in AN-94 will be 5.45x39 normal.

[Aqizithiuda]

9x39=7.62x39 recoil for the most part.
AN-94 recoil with 5.45=Not there
9x39 in AN-94 will be 5.45x39 normal.

I'm pretty sure Black Hand intends to use supersonic loads.

[Black Hand]

9x39=7.62x39 recoil for the most part.
AN-94 recoil with 5.45=Not there
9x39 in AN-94 will be 5.45x39 normal.

I'm pretty sure Black Hand intends to use supersonic loads.

Not in the PDW. Only in the Full size rifle and OICW will it use Supersonic.

[Puzikas]

9x39=7.62x39 recoil for the most part.
AN-94 recoil with 5.45=Not there
9x39 in AN-94 will be 5.45x39 normal.

I'm pretty sure Black Hand intends to use supersonic loads.

Oh.
9x39 supersonic is hard to profile.
I'm going with a light .308.

[New switzerlandia]

New Switzerlandia utilizes the steyer AUG family, including the AUG A3 assault rifle, the AUG HBAR light machine gun, the AUG para SMG, and a modified HBAR in 7.62mm NATO for a sniper rifle. Also issued is the M60E4 medium machine gun, the M14 battle Rifle, and the Colt M1911A1 pistol. The AKS74u is also issued to some airborne units.

[Aqizithiuda]

I'm pretty sure Black Hand intends to use supersonic loads.

Not in the PDW. Only in the Full size rifle and OICW will it use Supersonic.

Ah. In that case recoil won't be so bad.

[Black Hand]

Not in the PDW. Only in the Full size rifle and OICW will it use Supersonic.

Ah. In that case recoil won't be so bad.

SO any remaining issues with it? except Complexity Which is unavoidable but i it see as a reasonable cost for its advantages. Mainly Reasonable recoil for the round it uses along with the burst functionality.

[Aqizithiuda]

Ah. In that case recoil won't be so bad.

SO any remaining issues with it? except Complexity Which is unavoidable but i it see as a reasonable cost for its advantages. Mainly Reasonable recoil for the round it uses along with the burst functionality.

Mostly I just don't see the need for it. A simpler gun, possibly a lighter gun, will fill the role just as well and be cheaper to boot.

[Spreewerke]

Anyone have any idea of revolver reliability when exposed to the elements? I've never used one before sadly.



Working on my Naval Standard issue sidearm.



Also recoil between 45 LC and 38 Special.

A revolver is more reliable than a semi-automatic until it isn't. Then you're completely fucked. With a semi-automatic, you just clear the jam/malfunction. With a revolver, you get a nifty new paperweight until you can go back to the arsenal and take it apart entirely.

Trijicon makes some good stuff, but they like to over price allot because ACOGBESTSIGHTEVER.

Personally I think ELCAN makes some nice-ass optics.

Trijicon ACOGs are very nice, but I do not feel as though their price is justified at all. It is an overglorified 4x optic with shitty eye-relief that happens to have an always-active-no-batteries-needed reticle. Sure, it's parallax free, which is nice when you can't ensure proper alignment behind the optic, but when tiny pieces of lead are flying back at you, anyway, I don't think you're really being insanely precise with your shots to begin with.

Okay do you think it will be good at jungle warfare?

Jungle warfare is an iffy thing in the bolt action era. You want high penetration and good fire rate, but you also want a short rifle. The US had a good success rate with the Springfield and their previous rifle series in .30-40 Krag (Name escapes me at the moment), but in my opinion the Enfield jungle carbine is one of the better bolt actions for said warfare. If, however, you are not an all jungle nation, the M1903A3 is considered an all around good rifle.

Krag-Jorgensen, but with the "no sign" "o" since it's not'Murrica!n designed.

MMW;M1903A3 1919-1938
MMW; M1 GRAND 1938-1959
MMW;m14 -1959-1980
mmw;Galil 1980-2009
mmw; Galil ACE 2009-now

Is it good

NYET

Use the Mosin-Nagant from 1897 to 1938.
Use the M1 Garand from 1938 to 1959.
Use the FN FAL from 1959 to 1980.
Use the Galil from 1980-today.

This literally makes no fucking sense.

Choo Choo!make it like this

Do not temp me, heretic. I would smack you if I did not like the magazine.

As it's airsoft, I hope that the real-steel version would hold 30 rounds, as I may create such a thing.

The Swedish now are issuing out red-dot sights on their G3s without irons.

You could issue out red-dots as standard, but keep irons.

Any idea how optics generally handle freezing conditions? I ask as that's Fordorsia's weather for you.

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Is better, no?

Make the trigger guard wider so there's much more room for the trigger.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tp5pVqhnog

Optic is an AimPoint Comp.-series:

[Puzikas]

This literally makes no fucking sense.

I said the same thing. Just nicer.

[Nua Corda]

New Switzerlandia utilizes the steyer AUG family, including the AUG A3 assault rifle, the AUG HBAR light machine gun, the AUG para SMG, and a modified HBAR in 7.62mm NATO for a sniper rifle. Also issued is the M60E4 medium machine gun, the M14 battle Rifle, and the Colt M1911A1 pistol. The AKS74u is also issued to some airborne units.

An AUG in 7.62 NATO would have a rather silly LoP. Are you going for a sniper rifle sniper rifle, or a DMR "sniper rifle"?

The M60 is a piece of shit. They literally took an excellent weapon, combined it with a decent one, and somehow made the result suck massive hairy donkey balls. Go with the FN MAG, it fits your Euro theme better anyway.

Same goes for the M14. It's just 'Muricah derping again. Depending on the role you're using it in, go with either the FAL or an AR-10 derivative. FAL if you're stuck in a rut and issuing the things as standard arms, AR-10 if you're doing the smart thing and issuing it as a DMR.

The M1911 is a good pistol, but it's a little out of date. In this day and age, you want something double stack and sub- 45 cal. Steyr makes some good options, including the GB, which deserved a lot more than it got. Use Swedish M/39b loads to make up for the 9mm Pansy caliber.

Suddenly, ComBloc! If you're issuing the AUG, it makes literally no sense to do this as well. Just strike it altogether, and issue AUGs to your paratroops.

[DuThaal Craftworld]

Be advised, I'm designing a new (not so bad) weapon as an entry into the OICW contest.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Introducing the Mk.8 Service Rifle.
It's now my favorite drawing of mine.

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Details: http://airborneleaf.deviantart.com/art/Fordorsia-Service-Rifle-Mk-8-372848597?ga_submit_new=10%253A1369096413&ga_type=edit&ga_changes=1&ga_recent=1

L4 mags + stripper clip upper + RIS = SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY

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Last version for the night. M57 CGB machine gun. Has a overly complex mechanism that results in controllable recoil, extreme performance, and a scary rate of fire.

So basically the best gun in the world, save for its reliability, which is a tad lower than similar (less ridiculously complex) machine guns. 10x57 Benomian, which is straight sided for all of teh blowbakz.

The receiver (and barrel for that matter) looks like it is buried within polymer, which is probably less than ideal for a machine gun.
The stock should also be straight for controllability.

Were there any automatic or semi-automatic conversions of the Mosin Nagant, similar to the Charlton Automatic Rifle?

I'm not sure if it was ever applied, but there was a procedure developed in the interwar period in Europe, which promised to offer automatic capability to almost any existing bolt-action rifle.

The Mosin, however, I have heard cited as "only providing one round under tension of the [magazine] spring".
I'm not entirely sure what that means, but it sounds as though you may be limited to self-loading capability, rather than automatic or even semi-automatic fire.

[Benomia]

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Last version for the night. M57 CGB machine gun. Has a overly complex mechanism that results in controllable recoil, extreme performance, and a scary rate of fire.

So basically the best gun in the world, save for its reliability, which is a tad lower than similar (less ridiculously complex) machine guns. 10x57 Benomian, which is straight sided for all of teh blowbakz.

The receiver (and barrel for that matter) looks like it is buried within polymer, which is probably less than ideal for a machine gun.
The stock should also be straight for controllability.

It's not polymer, it's metal.
Will adjust stock.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

It's encase in an apparently one-piece body, which is not good.
Of all the weapons, machine guns are probably the one that most critically relies in being just a receiver, barrel and rudimentary furniture.

For both weight and cooling concerns.
A barrel can't stay cool if it's under a layer of metal. Nor can it be easily changed, I'd wager.

Both critical issues for a necked-up 8mm Mauser 'magnum'.

[Benomia]

It's encase in an apparently one-piece body, which is not good.
Of all the weapons, machine guns are probably the one that most critically relies in being just a receiver, barrel and rudimentary furniture.

For both weight and cooling concerns.
A barrel can't stay cool if it's under a layer of metal. Nor can it be easily changed, I'd wager.

Both critical issues for a necked-up 8mm Mauser 'magnum'.

Gotcha. Will adjust.

[Amastol]

Steyr makes some good options, including the GB, which deserved a lot more than it got.

This is very true, poor thing got robbed, and not just in the Austrian pistol trials.

[Coastal Union]

Remington Mosin-Nagant 1917 ;1919-1938
M1 GRAND 1938-1960
AR-10 -1960-2009
browning enhanced automatic rifle 2009-now

Now good night men.

You either mean the Brown Enhanced Automatic Rifle, or your troops went from using the AR-10 to a BAR derivative.

(the latter would get extra points)

Remington Mosin-Nagant 1917 ;1919-1938
M1 GRAND 1938-1960
AR-10 -1960-2009
brown enhanced automatic rifle 2009-now
*fixed

hand guns
colt peacemaker 1890-1915
m1911 1915-2009
M&P45 Mid-size 2009-now

[Nua Corda]

Steyr makes some good options, including the GB, which deserved a lot more than it got.

This is very true, poor thing got robbed, and not just in the Austrian pistol trials.

Fuck the Poli... GLOCK.

The GB is on my bucket list of "Guns to own before I die", and I use its gas-retarded blowback in many of my NS pistols.

You either mean the Brown Enhanced Automatic Rifle, or your troops went from using the AR-10 to a BAR derivative.

(the latter would get extra points)

Remington Mosin-Nagant 1917 ;1919-1938
M1 GRAND 1938-1960
AR-10 -1960-2009
brown enhanced automatic rifle 2009-now
*fixed

hand guns
colt peacemaker 1890-1915
m1911 1915-2009
M&P45 Mid-size 2009-now

SMLE: 1919-1942
Ljungman AG-42: 1942-1960
AR-10: 1960-2002
TAR-21: 2002-present.

Colt SAA: 1874-1887
Webley Mks I-VI: 1887-1923
M1911A1: 1923-1982
Steyr GB: 1982-present

[United Republics of Aralon]

I had a thought.

The Model 1895 Winchester (hear forth referred to as the lever nugget) Was exported (in NS) In significantly larger amounts to Russia on demand of the Russian military (from 1908). It was modified from its factory configeration to have a 10 round magazine, still able to charge with Mosin clips. The chamber was strengthened in order to allow it to fire the higher pressure 7.62x54r rounds, and eventually the rifle was converted to the .404 Slav round in large numbers, approximately 20%. The levernuggest eventually became a standard issue of the Russian empire, and saw service right though the second global war.

Yes/no?

Very yes. However, aren't lever guns uncomfortable too shoot prone? For (horse)cavalry they seem to be a perfect choice.

[Nua Corda]

I had a thought.

The Model 1895 Winchester (hear forth referred to as the lever nugget) Was exported (in NS) In significantly larger amounts to Russia on demand of the Russian military (from 1908). It was modified from its factory configeration to have a 10 round magazine, still able to charge with Mosin clips. The chamber was strengthened in order to allow it to fire the higher pressure 7.62x54r rounds, and eventually the rifle was converted to the .404 Slav round in large numbers, approximately 20%. The levernuggest eventually became a standard issue of the Russian empire, and saw service right though the second global war.

Yes/no?

Very yes. However, aren't lever guns uncomfortable too shoot prone? For (horse)cavalry they seem to be a perfect choice.

Shaddap with your logic. Levers are for true ballers. If you can't into SMLE, Lever Gun is acceptable substitute.

[United Republics of Aralon]

You either mean the Brown Enhanced Automatic Rifle, or your troops went from using the AR-10 to a BAR derivative.

(the latter would get extra points)

Remington Mosin-Nagant 1917 ;1919-1938
M1 GRAND 1938-1960
AR-10 -1960-2009
brown enhanced automatic rifle 2009-now
*fixed

hand guns
colt peacemaker 1890-1915
m1911 1915-2009
M&P45 Mid-size 2009-now

I don't know if this has been fixed yet, but I heard of issues with the BEAR, where its own bolt would kick the shit out of its own receiver when it stopps backward motion(this means heavy chipping), because A, the bolt didn't slow down proper, B receiver was flimsy.