Main Military Weapon of Your Country, Type-9 [Read OP pl0x]

[Bajireyn]

Would it be possible to make a bullpup version of the Sterling .308?

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Would it be possible to make a bullpup version of the Sterling .308?

Probably?

Gunporn

[Nua Corda]

Would it be possible to make a bullpup version of the Sterling .308?

Yes. But your LoP would be hilarious. Like, you could issue it to Na'vi, but humans would just state dolefully at it and shake their heads.

[Bajireyn]

Would it be possible to make a bullpup version of the Sterling .308?

Yes. But your LoP would be hilarious. Like, you could issue it to Na'vi, but humans would just state dolefully at it and shake their heads.

Well, the LOP would be cut down a little.

[Republic of South Carolina]

Would it be possible to make a bullpup version of the Sterling .308?

You would have to reconfigure the operating system, all together. Yes, it is possible, but impractical.


Is that a FAMAS? Why, yes, Billy it sure is.

[Bajireyn]

Would it be possible to make a bullpup version of the Sterling .308?

You would have to reconfigure the operating system, all together. Yes, it is possible, but impractical.


Is that a FAMAS? Why, yes, Billy it sure is.

Well, I guess it'll just be a Sterling in name only then.

[Anemos Major]

Well, I guess it'll just be a Sterling in name only then.

The thing is, given the construction of the Sterling .308 forward of the receiver, you'd probably have to invest in a fair few ergonomic changes since you wouldn't have anything to hold short of a rapidly heating handguard section.

[Fischermann]

The experimental KTD series, namely KTD-98 and KTD-96. Made by the best engineers that the Ottoman Empire could muster, with help from our German allies. The rifles follow a blow-forward principle, with the bolt static and locked back whereas most of the work is done by the barrel and the mechanisms above the barrel. While a promising design, the KTD-96 (below) showed some problems such as the ''ejection port'' that was to be used in case the gun jammed was left largely open, allowing dirt to get inside the open area easily. This problem was rectified in the KTD-98 which was given a dust cover (and a slightly modified mechanism that gave it a bullpup layout).

It saw testing in the Royal Brigades with Troops praising its fast rate of fire and high accuracy. However, when things came to disassembly and reassembly, the troops were completely dumbfounded thanks to the mechanism being quite complicated (some dissents believe that the Germans simply gave an useless prototype design to Ottoman engineers, though the Royal Mechanical Works deny this). Henceforth, the design of the KTD series were mostly scrapped, with production halted in 1999. However, KTD-98 still sees some (limited) use in the Imperial Special Forces. The same cannot be said for the KTD-96.

Both weapons used the 5.5x30 caseless round, feeding from 40 round magazines.

[Anemos Major]

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The experimental KTD series, namely KTD-98 and KTD-96. Made by the best engineers that the Ottoman Empire could muster, with help from our German allies. The rifles follow a blow-forward principle, with the bolt static and locked back whereas most of the work is done by the barrel and the mechanisms above the barrel. While a promising design, the KTD-96 (below) showed some problems such as the ''ejection port'' that was to be used in case the gun jammed was left largely open, allowing dirt to get inside the open area easily. This problem was rectified in the KTD-98 which was given a dust cover (and a slightly modified mechanism that gave it a bullpup layout).

It saw testing in the Royal Brigades with Troops praising its fast rate of fire and high accuracy. However, when things came to disassembly and reassembly, the troops were completely dumbfounded thanks to the mechanism being quite complicated (some dissents believe that the Germans simply gave an useless prototype design to Ottoman engineers, though the Royal Mechanical Works deny this). Henceforth, the design of the KTD series were mostly scrapped, with production halted in 1999. However, KTD-98 still sees some (limited) use in the Imperial Special Forces. The same cannot be said for the KTD-96.

Both weapons used the 5.5x30 caseless round, feeding from 40 round magazines.

I can see a caseless PDW with tolerances this close being unreliable for reasons other than dirt. Which doesn't really matter, since this isn't exactly supposed to be the epitome of reliable, and it looks really rather snazzy with its clean lines and interesting layout(s).

[Aqizithiuda]

I thought the Maul was ready from production.

Nope, just a prototype so far as I know.

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The experimental KTD series, namely KTD-98 and KTD-96. Made by the best engineers that the Ottoman Empire could muster, with help from our German allies. The rifles follow a blow-forward principle, with the bolt static and locked back whereas most of the work is done by the barrel and the mechanisms above the barrel. While a promising design, the KTD-96 (below) showed some problems such as the ''ejection port'' that was to be used in case the gun jammed was left largely open, allowing dirt to get inside the open area easily. This problem was rectified in the KTD-98 which was given a dust cover (and a slightly modified mechanism that gave it a bullpup layout).

It saw testing in the Royal Brigades with Troops praising its fast rate of fire and high accuracy. However, when things came to disassembly and reassembly, the troops were completely dumbfounded thanks to the mechanism being quite complicated (some dissents believe that the Germans simply gave an useless prototype design to Ottoman engineers, though the Royal Mechanical Works deny this). Henceforth, the design of the KTD series were mostly scrapped, with production halted in 1999. However, KTD-98 still sees some (limited) use in the Imperial Special Forces. The same cannot be said for the KTD-96.

Both weapons used the 5.5x30 caseless round, feeding from 40 round magazines.

While I really like the overall look of the gun, I still have concerns about it being able to use caseless rounds, and the dust cover looks to be upside down to me.

[Nua Corda]

Possible Reconsidered OICW doctrine: issue OICW to squad NCO, and a version of the rifle mounted with a 3GL-style 35mm grenade launcher (GLT-2K) to the Grenadier. 35mm grenades are still controlled by the OT-2K, and airbursting 35mms are also availible, but the primary ammunition is HEDP grenades.

[Cyprum Xecuii]

Er, there's not much I want to ask (I know it's not drawn to detail nor will the mechanisms actually work based on external appearance) but basically, what I want to know is in what circumstances is a thumb-hole stock to be used or why it isn't used for certain conditions. I see a lot of sporter-guns fitted with a thumbhole stock, yet their military or "offical-use" variants don't have them. Is it because of extra needless weight? Is it not ergonomic?

Examples -> Zastava PAP, Mak 90, etc.

[Fischermann]

I can see a caseless PDW with tolerances this close being unreliable for reasons other than dirt. Which doesn't really matter, since this isn't exactly supposed to be the epitome of reliable, and it looks really rather snazzy with its clean lines and interesting layout(s).

Thanks. And yes, it was not made to be reliable.

While I really like the overall look of the gun, I still have concerns about it being able to use caseless rounds, and the dust cover looks to be upside down to me.

The dust cover is, compared to the M16's, upside down. It's made to be keep closed (which I can't see with the M16's, what with the rules of gravity and all), and isn't spring powered, hence the shape. The soldier just pops it open.

I'm not sure about it using caseless rounds myself but I can just call it German magick.

Also, does anyone have pictures of the FA-MAS Type 62's right side?

[Nua Corda]

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Er not much I want to ask (I know it's not drawn to detail nor will the mechanisms actually work based on external appearance) but what I want to know is when a thumb-hole stock should be used or why it isn't used for certain conditions. I see a lot of sporter-guns fitted with a thumbhole stock but yet their military or "offical-use" variants don't have them. Is it because of extra needless weight? Is it not ergonomic?

Examples -> Zastava PAP, Mak 90, etc.

Thumbhole stocks are primarily used to avoid having the "evil" feature of a pistol grip on civilian rifles, to comply with assault weapons laws. Other than that, they're pretty useless.

[Anemos Major]

The dust cover is, compared to the M16's, upside down. It's made to be keep closed (which I can't see with the M16's, what with the rules of gravity and all), and isn't spring powered, hence the shape. The soldier just pops it open.

The M16's dust cover's spring forces it closed against gravity, while a catch keeps it open when it's in that position. It works fairly smoothly - in your dust cover's case, you'll need catches for both the open and closed positions to secure it, but the spring loaded mechanism on the M16 is probably going to be a fair bit better at sealing the ejection port unless you have some sort of inner liner on your dust cover.

[Cyprum Xecuii]

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Er not much I want to ask (I know it's not drawn to detail nor will the mechanisms actually work based on external appearance) but what I want to know is when a thumb-hole stock should be used or why it isn't used for certain conditions. I see a lot of sporter-guns fitted with a thumbhole stock but yet their military or "offical-use" variants don't have them. Is it because of extra needless weight? Is it not ergonomic?

Examples -> Zastava PAP, Mak 90, etc.

Thumbhole stocks are primarily used to avoid having the "evil" feature of a pistol grip on civilian rifles, to comply with assault weapons laws. Other than that, they're pretty useless.

Oh, well that was easy. It's not like the military can't use them though right? Even if they are needless. It's not like it hinders the ability of the shooter's capabilities right? It would seem like the grip in shouldering a rifle like that might be awkward or uncomfortable. At least, that's how I imagine it...

[Fordorsia]

.700 Ford.
What the hell is it for?

It's a massive-game cartridge designed for hunting/protection in the Far North of Fordorsia. Creatures to feel it's soft touch include giant bears/wolves/elephants/ancient horrors. Might want to ask Ulfr-Reich about the creatures of Ulfheim for more details.

You must have went quite far back in the thread to find out about it. Be careful, it's dangerous back there.


The rifle that fires it:


Details: http://airborneleaf.deviantart.com/art/Fordorsia-Polar-Rifle-360005455?q=gallery%3Aairborneleaf%2F39975561&qo=37

And the cartridge itself:

Details: http://airborneleaf.deviantart.com/art/700-Fordorsian-360630727?ga_submit_new=10%253A1369069649&ga_type=edit&ga_changes=1

[Spreewerke]

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Er, there's not much I want to ask (I know it's not drawn to detail nor will the mechanisms actually work based on external appearance) but basically, what I want to know is in what circumstances is a thumb-hole stock to be used or why it isn't used for certain conditions. I see a lot of sporter-guns fitted with a thumbhole stock, yet their military or "offical-use" variants don't have them. Is it because of extra needless weight? Is it not ergonomic?

Examples -> Zastava PAP, Mak 90, etc.

Thumbhole stocks have no place on military weapons outside of maybe sniper rifles/DMRs.

The dust cover is, compared to the M16's, upside down. It's made to be keep closed (which I can't see with the M16's, what with the rules of gravity and all), and isn't spring powered, hence the shape. The soldier just pops it open.

The M16's dust cover's spring forces it closed against gravity, while a catch keeps it open when it's in that position. It works fairly smoothly - in your dust cover's case, you'll need catches for both the open and closed positions to secure it, but the spring loaded mechanism on the M16 is probably going to be a fair bit better at sealing the ejection port unless you have some sort of inner liner on your dust cover.

The AR-series dust cover has a spring that forces it open at all times. There is a spring in the center of it that, when the dust cover is closed, protrudes above the inside of the receiver, keeping it closed. When the bolt travel's rearward, the indentation that is behind said center spring "disappears" since the bolt then goes back to regular thickness. This pops the dust cover open and, with its hinge spring, forces it to stay in the open position until closed once more by the user. There is no catch that locks it open.

[Kouralia]

.700 Ford.
What the hell is it for?

It's a massive-game cartridge designed for hunting/protection in the Far North of Fordorsia. Creatures to feel it's soft touch include giant bears/wolves/elephants/ancient horrors. Might want to ask Ulfr-Reich about the creatures of Ulfheim for more details.

You must have went quite far back in the thread to find out about it. Be careful, it's dangerous back there.


The rifle that fires it:


Details: http://airborneleaf.deviantart.com/art/Fordorsia-Polar-Rifle-360005455?q=gallery%3Aairborneleaf%2F39975561&qo=37

And the cartridge itself:

Details: http://airborneleaf.deviantart.com/art/700-Fordorsian-360630727?ga_submit_new=10%253A1369069649&ga_type=edit&ga_changes=1

Make a semi-automatic magazine fed one (BAYONETS FOR THE AWESOME-GODS!), and you'd have an export market in Kouralia.

[Fordorsia]

It's a massive-game cartridge designed for hunting/protection in the Far North of Fordorsia. Creatures to feel it's soft touch include giant bears/wolves/elephants/ancient horrors. Might want to ask Ulfr-Reich about the creatures of Ulfheim for more details.

You must have went quite far back in the thread to find out about it. Be careful, it's dangerous back there.


The rifle that fires it:

(Image)
Details: http://airborneleaf.deviantart.com/art/Fordorsia-Polar-Rifle-360005455?q=gallery%3Aairborneleaf%2F39975561&qo=37

And the cartridge itself:
(Image)
Details: http://airborneleaf.deviantart.com/art/700-Fordorsian-360630727?ga_submit_new=10%253A1369069649&ga_type=edit&ga_changes=1

Make a semi-automatic magazine fed one (BAYONETS FOR THE AWESOME-GODS!), and you'd have an export market in Kouralia.

Don't rimmed cartridges and magazines not like each other?

The rifle and cartridges are also made privately by some master smiths. I would strongly advise against putting it into military service.

[Spreewerke]

I don't recall seeing any non-.22LR magazine for a rimmed cartridge exceeding ten round capacity.

[Ea90]

Would it be possible to make a bullpup version of the Sterling .308?

I'm p. sure Galla did.

[Fischermann]

Would it be possible to make a bullpup version of the Sterling .308?

I'm p. sure Galla did.

I recall something similar as well.

[Anemos Major]

The AR-series dust cover has a spring that forces it open at all times. There is a spring in the center of it that, when the dust cover is closed, protrudes above the inside of the receiver, keeping it closed. When the bolt travel's rearward, the indentation that is behind said center spring "disappears" since the bolt then goes back to regular thickness. This pops the dust cover open and, with its hinge spring, forces it to stay in the open position until closed once more by the user. There is no catch that locks it open.

Sorry about that. Can't say it's particularly easy to recall things like that with a year or two between now and the last time I even considered dust covers in general, and I'm just working off memory right now.

[Ea90]

I recall something similar as well.

Found it