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Yes I am Biop
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Ulfr-Reich
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Vareiln
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Coltarin
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Risen Britannia
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Beano
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Samozaryadnyastan
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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Sun May 19, 2013 8:00 pm

How're you working the ejection?
P90 ejects with gravity out the bottom of the action.
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Postby Aqizithiuda » Sun May 19, 2013 8:04 pm

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:How're you working the ejection?
P90 ejects with gravity out the bottom of the action.


An ejection tube offset to one side. Brass is ejected off to a slight angle.
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The Archangel Conglomerate
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Postby The Archangel Conglomerate » Sun May 19, 2013 8:30 pm

Aqizithiuda wrote:Perhaps, but the magazines would still be too big to be practical for my purposes.

Yeah...
But hey, my caseless rifle should have no problems feeding from 60 round helical magazines.
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Postby Fischermann » Sun May 19, 2013 8:38 pm

Recoil operated caseless rifle with non-moving bolt y/n?
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Postby Aqizithiuda » Sun May 19, 2013 8:45 pm

Fischermann wrote:Recoil operated caseless rifle with non-moving bolt y/n?


How?
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Postby Fischermann » Sun May 19, 2013 8:49 pm

Aqizithiuda wrote:
Fischermann wrote:Recoil operated caseless rifle with non-moving bolt y/n?


How?


Trigger mechanism keeps barrel forward, charging handle loads bullet into chamber.

Pulling the trigger at first sends the barrel back thanks to a spring on top, firing the first round. Afterwards it operates on a recoil mechanism with a muzzle booster.

I think it'd be some weird kind of blow forward (not sure on the details of the mechanism though).
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Aqizithiuda
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Postby Aqizithiuda » Sun May 19, 2013 8:50 pm

Fischermann wrote:
Aqizithiuda wrote:
How?


Trigger mechanism keeps barrel forward, charging handle loads bullet into chamber.

Pulling the trigger at first sends the barrel back thanks to a spring on top, firing the first round. Afterwards it operates on a recoil mechanism with a muzzle booster.

I think it'd be some weird kind of blow forward (not sure on the details of the mechanism though).


Not really a good idea. With caseless ammo, you really want some kind of push through mechanism in case of a dud.
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Postby Fischermann » Sun May 19, 2013 8:54 pm

Aqizithiuda wrote:
Fischermann wrote:
Trigger mechanism keeps barrel forward, charging handle loads bullet into chamber.

Pulling the trigger at first sends the barrel back thanks to a spring on top, firing the first round. Afterwards it operates on a recoil mechanism with a muzzle booster.

I think it'd be some weird kind of blow forward (not sure on the details of the mechanism though).


Not really a good idea. With caseless ammo, you really want some kind of push through mechanism in case of a dud.


Push through?
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Postby Aqizithiuda » Sun May 19, 2013 9:01 pm

Fischermann wrote:
Aqizithiuda wrote:
Not really a good idea. With caseless ammo, you really want some kind of push through mechanism in case of a dud.


Push through?


The round is pushed into the chamber, pushing any unfired cartridges out the other side.
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Postby Puzikas » Sun May 19, 2013 9:07 pm

Crookfur wrote:Is it a bird? isit a plane? is it a minigun?

No its the german solution to MG3 barrels over heating when mounted on remote weapons stations:

http://translate.google.co.uk/translate ... B:official

original Polish article:

http://www.altair.com.pl/news/view?news_id=10442


This was so cool, I sent it to the guys over at The Firearms Blog.

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Postby Fischermann » Sun May 19, 2013 9:34 pm

Aqizithiuda wrote:
Fischermann wrote:
Push through?


The round is pushed into the chamber, pushing any unfired cartridges out the other side.


I can see the charging handle working somewhat like that.

If all else fails I can call it prototype russ magic.
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Postby Nua Corda » Sun May 19, 2013 9:43 pm

Moar OICW WIP;

Image

I've roughed out some of the stock and showed the general location of the grenade tube over the barrel. I've also included a number of grenade types.
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Postby Aqizithiuda » Sun May 19, 2013 9:50 pm

Fischermann wrote:
Aqizithiuda wrote:
The round is pushed into the chamber, pushing any unfired cartridges out the other side.


I can see the charging handle working somewhat like that.

If all else fails I can call it prototype russ magic.


So what kind of chamber will you have and how will it be activated?

Nua Corda wrote:Moar OICW WIP;

(Image)

I've roughed out some of the stock and showed the general location of the grenade tube over the barrel. I've also included a number of grenade types.


A "few" he says :p .

Looking good Corda! Can I assume that the barrel of the launcher slides forward and that it has provisions for single shot cased ammo?
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Idaho Conservatives
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Postby Idaho Conservatives » Sun May 19, 2013 9:52 pm

Puzikas wrote:This was so cool, I sent it to the guys over at The Firearms Blog.

And they care.


Pretty cool!
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Fischermann
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Postby Fischermann » Sun May 19, 2013 9:56 pm

Aqizithiuda wrote:So what kind of chamber will you have and how will it be activated?


I don't know, I don't know much about caseless systems. Any suggestions?
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Nua Corda
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Postby Nua Corda » Sun May 19, 2013 10:01 pm

Aqizithiuda wrote:
Fischermann wrote:
I can see the charging handle working somewhat like that.

If all else fails I can call it prototype russ magic.


So what kind of chamber will you have and how will it be activated?

Nua Corda wrote:Moar OICW WIP;

(Image)

I've roughed out some of the stock and showed the general location of the grenade tube over the barrel. I've also included a number of grenade types.


A "few" he says :p .

Looking good Corda! Can I assume that the barrel of the launcher slides forward and that it has provisions for single shot cased ammo?


Well, the ones on the left are blank templates, but yeah, it's a versatile system. :P

From the top: Taser XREP, Buckshot, CS gas, HEAT, HESH, HEDP, Airburst

Actually, it will slide forward about 10mm, then pivot to the side, and you just pop shells in. And yeah, though cased ammo for launchers is going to become a rarity once MS 3GL-style UBGLs are introduced along with this system.
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Postby Aqizithiuda » Sun May 19, 2013 10:03 pm

Fischermann wrote:
Aqizithiuda wrote:So what kind of chamber will you have and how will it be activated?


I don't know, I don't know much about caseless systems. Any suggestions?


Not for a recoil operated weapon, unfortunately.

Nua Corda wrote:
Aqizithiuda wrote:
So what kind of chamber will you have and how will it be activated?



A "few" he says :p .

Looking good Corda! Can I assume that the barrel of the launcher slides forward and that it has provisions for single shot cased ammo?


Well, the ones on the left are blank templates, but yeah, it's a versatile system. :P

From the top: Taser XREP, Buckshot, CS gas, HEAT, HESH, HEDP, Airburst

Actually, it will slide forward about 10mm, then pivot to the side, and you just pop shells in. And yeah, though cased ammo for launchers is going to become a rarity once MS 3GL-style UBGLs are introduced along with this system.


That's a good way of doing it.
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Hellraiser-Army wrote:and clearly I am surrounded by idiots who never looked at a blueprint before...


Live fire is not an effective means of communication.

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Postby Nua Corda » Sun May 19, 2013 10:05 pm

Aqizithiuda wrote:
Fischermann wrote:
I don't know, I don't know much about caseless systems. Any suggestions?


Not for a recoil operated weapon, unfortunately.

Nua Corda wrote:
Well, the ones on the left are blank templates, but yeah, it's a versatile system. :P

From the top: Taser XREP, Buckshot, CS gas, HEAT, HESH, HEDP, Airburst

Actually, it will slide forward about 10mm, then pivot to the side, and you just pop shells in. And yeah, though cased ammo for launchers is going to become a rarity once MS 3GL-style UBGLs are introduced along with this system.


That's a good way of doing it.


It both facilitates a secure lockup, and prevents you from having to move your hand very far.

EDIT: more progress.

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Postby Fischermann » Sun May 19, 2013 10:09 pm

Aqizithiuda wrote:Not for a recoil operated weapon, unfortunately.


Now that I think of it, I think it'll be more of a blow forward system than recoil operated.
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Postby Amastol » Sun May 19, 2013 10:19 pm

Lots of wonderful detail Corda, looks great thus far.
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Postby Aqizithiuda » Sun May 19, 2013 10:19 pm

Fischermann wrote:
Aqizithiuda wrote:Not for a recoil operated weapon, unfortunately.


Now that I think of it, I think it'll be more of a blow forward system than recoil operated.


Either way, I can't think of anyway to get caseless to work with it off the top of my head.
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Postby Ulfr-Reich » Sun May 19, 2013 10:20 pm

Guys, 1918 OICW?
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Postby Aqizithiuda » Sun May 19, 2013 10:31 pm

Ulfr-Reich wrote:Guys, 1918 OICW?


Straight pull carbine with a permanently mounted grenade cup with an underbarrel SMG/pistol carbine. I actually have a prototype like this in the mid-30s for my MT alt.
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Fischermann
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Postby Fischermann » Sun May 19, 2013 10:42 pm

Ulfr-Reich wrote:Guys, 1918 OICW?


Spring-powered grenade thrower on top of magazine fed machinegun (a la Lewis).
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Postby Tule » Sun May 19, 2013 10:44 pm

I've been wondering. Who would win in an unarmed fight: an average street cop or an average foot soldier?

I'm leaning towards the cop as they have to fight unarmed a lot more, but I'm not certain.
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