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Who should OP the next MMW thread?

Yes I am Biop
7
9%
Ulfr-Reich
15
19%
Vareiln
2
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Coltarin
6
8%
Risen Britannia
38
49%
Beano
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13%
 
Total votes : 78

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Postby Puzikas » Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:57 pm

Yes Im Biop wrote:
Puzikas wrote:A silver coin to the first man to tell me what caliber this shell be!



63mm
and ... 10 or 8 gague.


Thinking smart, but no to both!

United Republics of Aralon wrote:
Puzikas wrote:A silver coin to the first man to tell me what caliber this shell be!


Ah mortars. Tip 170mm ? supposing shotgun load is 12ga.
Can you help me with the pneumatic mortar issue I've been discussing with few people lately? I would appreciate it greatly.


12 gauge, no way its 170mm, that's insanely large.

And what issue?
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Postby United Republics of Aralon » Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:58 pm

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Yes. We can. Actually, we have more, worse and less-understandable swearwords.

And since when are Germans able to do such stuff?

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Postby United Republics of Aralon » Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:59 pm

Puzikas wrote:
Yes Im Biop wrote:
63mm
and ... 10 or 8 gague.


Thinking smart, but no to both!

United Republics of Aralon wrote:Ah mortars. Tip 170mm ? supposing shotgun load is 12ga.
Can you help me with the pneumatic mortar issue I've been discussing with few people lately? I would appreciate it greatly.


12 gauge, no way its 170mm, that's insanely large.

And what issue?

This one:http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=235102&p=13849830#p13849830
We got into a pretty lengthy discussion, but this is the core question.
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Postby Veceria » Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:00 pm

United Republics of Aralon wrote:
Veceria wrote:Yes. We can. Actually, we have more, worse and less-understandable swearwords.

And since when are Germans able to do such stuff?

On-topic:
Vecerian HSR Sniper Rifle

MII VAAN? WTF? I shouted magyar. No one shivering in fear? Please don't destroy my self confidence. I demand someone crap themselves! What sort of world we live in nowadays?

I had to google 'magyar' to even remember what 'that' is :P
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:00 pm

Puzikas wrote:
Yes Im Biop wrote:
63mm
and ... 10 or 8 gague.


Thinking smart, but no to both!

United Republics of Aralon wrote:Ah mortars. Tip 170mm ? supposing shotgun load is 12ga.
Can you help me with the pneumatic mortar issue I've been discussing with few people lately? I would appreciate it greatly.


12 gauge, no way its 170mm, that's insanely large.

And what issue?


80 then?
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Postby Nua Corda » Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:02 pm

Anybody got a link to the MagPul PDR .pdf that isn't fucking broken?
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Postby Black Hand » Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:05 pm

United Republics of Aralon wrote:
Black Hand wrote:Couple the propellant with the round like a traditional cartridge it should be rather quiet still and well it won't be any heavier than a normal mortar round.

Yes I know this is what you suggested, but the opening mechanism, that could open an airtight canister on a large enough surface for sudden air release would be very complex. Traditional mortar rounds also lacked casing,the powder was measured in small bags or similar method as controlling powder load was the best way to control range.This is the other issue with premeasured canisters.Any air that you didn't use when shooting close would be lost, due to the pressure in the canister being too low to increase pressure behind the projectile to sufficient levels. Casing-style canisters would equate mags from which you cannot recover leftover rounds after a tactical reload.

Yeah your right I was just trying to find a faster way to reload other than a bike pump. and precharged tanks would't work all that well it was just a suggestion. also there are breechloading mortars (they look a lot like conventional artillery) they are just rare. as for wasted Air it's air what do you have to lose one shot one tank a better system would be detachable discardable fiberglass tanks. This should work Fiberglass worked for the M72.
also on the Mp2000
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Also is that a 43mm mortar shell?
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:07 pm

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Postby Puzikas » Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:08 pm

Yes Im Biop wrote:
Puzikas wrote:
Thinking smart, but no to both!



12 gauge, no way its 170mm, that's insanely large.

And what issue?


80 then?


Smaller.


United Republics of Aralon wrote:
Puzikas wrote:
Thinking smart, but no to both!



12 gauge, no way its 170mm, that's insanely large.

And what issue?

This one:http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=235102&p=13849830#p13849830
We got into a pretty lengthy discussion, but this is the core question.


With a smaller shell like I posted (60mm), you could use compressed air. Like a bike bump.
Larger, I don't think anything would work without making it way fo big.

Gas sealed artillery?
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Postby Aqizithiuda » Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:14 pm

Nua Corda wrote:Anybody got a link to the MagPul PDR .pdf that isn't fucking broken?


I have a dropboxed version in the 7th or 8th thread. I'm on my phone, so I can't link to it atm, but it should be somewhere within ten pages of Samo asking something about it (IIRC).
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Postby United Republics of Aralon » Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:19 pm

Puzikas wrote:
Yes Im Biop wrote:
80 then?


Smaller.


United Republics of Aralon wrote:This one:http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=235102&p=13849830#p13849830
We got into a pretty lengthy discussion, but this is the core question.


With a smaller shell like I posted (60mm), you could use compressed air. Like a bike bump.
Larger, I don't think anything would work without making it way fo big.

Gas sealed artillery?

So you say a gas sealed, conventional explosive driven piston, would be comparably silent?
Because it sounds like a good solution, but it needs to be (few)man portable, and the charge needs to be variable. But,no on second thought your're absolutely right, there could be a chamber also sealed from where air form between the projectile and piston can be diverted solving variable velocity-and-thus-range issue. So only the portability issue remains, but I guess it could be made portable in a lets say 67mm caliber which is decent for a mortar.
Does this sound like a feasible solution?
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Postby Nua Corda » Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:21 pm

Aqizithiuda wrote:
Nua Corda wrote:Anybody got a link to the MagPul PDR .pdf that isn't fucking broken?


I have a dropboxed version in the 7th or 8th thread. I'm on my phone, so I can't link to it atm, but it should be somewhere within ten pages of Samo asking something about it (IIRC).


Found it http://web.archive.org/web/201107140213 ... ech_PR.pdf

But it doesn't show how the bolt carrier works....

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Postby Puzikas » Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:21 pm

Just Google it.

I found it after Googling "MagPul PDR PFD"

I'm on mobile and can't link it.

United Republics of Aralon wrote:
Puzikas wrote:
Smaller.




With a smaller shell like I posted (60mm), you could use compressed air. Like a bike bump.
Larger, I don't think anything would work without making it way fo big.

Gas sealed artillery?

So you say a gas sealed, conventional explosive driven piston, would be comparably silent?
Because it sounds like a good solution, but it needs to be (few)man portable, and the charge needs to be variable. But,no on second thought your're absolutely right, there could be a chamber also sealed from where air form between the projectile and piston can be diverted solving variable velocity-and-thus-range issue. So only the portability issue remains, but I guess it could be made portable in a lets say 67mm caliber which is decent for a mortar.
Does this sound like a feasible solution?


Maybe. I'm not an artillery expert, but it might work.
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Postby United Republics of Aralon » Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:25 pm

Nua Corda wrote:
Aqizithiuda wrote:
I have a dropboxed version in the 7th or 8th thread. I'm on my phone, so I can't link to it atm, but it should be somewhere within ten pages of Samo asking something about it (IIRC).


Found it http://web.archive.org/web/201107140213 ... ech_PR.pdf

But it doesn't show how the bolt carrier works....

Balls.

I don't know why this got scrapped. It is of pure glory, especially if converted to .300 BLK For more punchy/ suppressible glory.
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Postby The Unified Earth Governments » Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:25 pm

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The M96 is a 22nd century firearm created by Weapon Systems Technology, utilized by the late UN Security Council and then the United Nations Space Command. The weapon was designed with the intent to create a rifle that was unique, easy to maneuver and easy to customize. As seen above it was given access to suppressors, cheek rest and even a pre built, internal ammunition conversion system, which allowed the rifle to fire smaller rounds, usually seen in a SMG. The M96 would be the primary fire arm for many during the interplanetary war, falling short behind the MRB.

When compared to Misriah Armories bullpup MRB-25, the M96 is inferior in almost all fields accept rate of fire, and it's lighter recoil. This is thanks to the fact that the MRB-25 was the first Gauss weapon built in a compact size, with the ability to fire off more rounds than previous Gauss weapons, Since the age of the Gauss Rifle was coming quick, the M96 proved to be the last of it's kind, remaining as a testament to how effective and cheap the chemical based weapons were before the advances in Gauss weaponry catched up, before leaving the ancient technology in the dust. The weapon was caseless by design, and was the first weapon in human history to feature a smart link, which was placed slightly above the charging handle.

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Postby Lolzieristan » Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:26 pm

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Postby Nua Corda » Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:27 pm

Puzikas wrote:Just Google it.

I found it after Googling "MagPul PDR PFD"

I'm on mobile and can't link it.


This was my original plan. All the links I found had forwarding errors.

United Republics of Aralon wrote:
Nua Corda wrote:
<span>Found it <a class="smarterwiki-linkify" href="http://web.archive.org/web/20110714021306/http://www.magpul.com/pdfs/PDRtech_PR.pdf">http://web.archive.org/web/20110714021306/http://www.magpul.com/pdfs/PDRtech_PR.pdf</a></span>

But it doesn't show how the bolt carrier works....

Balls.

I don't know why this got scrapped. It is of pure glory, especially if converted to .300 BLK For more punchy/ suppressible glory.


MagPul isn't geared up for firearms production. They come up with concepts, and then try to sell them to other companies. Sometimes noone's interested.

Lolzieristan wrote:Keltec consistently puts out the ugliest guns I've ever seen.


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Postby United Republics of Aralon » Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:29 pm

Puzikas wrote:Just Google it.

I found it after Googling "MagPul PDR PFD"

I'm on mobile and can't link it.

United Republics of Aralon wrote:So you say a gas sealed, conventional explosive driven piston, would be comparably silent?
Because it sounds like a good solution, but it needs to be (few)man portable, and the charge needs to be variable. But,no on second thought your're absolutely right, there could be a chamber also sealed from where air form between the projectile and piston can be diverted solving variable velocity-and-thus-range issue. So only the portability issue remains, but I guess it could be made portable in a lets say 67mm caliber which is decent for a mortar.
Does this sound like a feasible solution?


Maybe. I'm not an artillery expert, but it might work.


Well I'm way-way not an expert, but it sounds sorta legit for me too, so I'll stick with this design.Thanks for all the help.
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Postby Fordorsia » Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:32 pm

Nua Corda wrote:
Puzikas wrote:Just Google it.

I found it after Googling "MagPul PDR PFD"

I'm on mobile and can't link it.


This was my original plan. All the links I found had forwarding errors.

United Republics of Aralon wrote:I don't know why this got scrapped. It is of pure glory, especially if converted to .300 BLK For more punchy/ suppressible glory.


MagPul isn't geared up for firearms production. They come up with concepts, and then try to sell them to other companies. Sometimes noone's interested.

Lolzieristan wrote:Keltec consistently puts out the ugliest guns I've ever seen.


Heresy. RFB is beautiful.


Though it uses FN FAL magazines bullpuply, I must say that it's looks outweigh the vast amounts of heresy.
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Lolzieristan wrote:Keltec consistently puts out the ugliest guns I've ever seen.

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Postby United Republics of Aralon » Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:34 pm

Nua Corda wrote:

MagPul isn't geared up for firearms production. They come up with concepts, and then try to sell them to other companies. Sometimes noone's interested.
.

Well BFB* this was ok, since there was P90. And it is a known fact that 5.56 and short barrels are no friends.
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Postby Creative Vikings » Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:34 pm

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