NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #3

[Basque Socialist States]

Is there any reason not to (optionally) include an external box launcher for ATGMs on an MBT? I was thinking using them similiar to the Longbow, where an FCS automatically identifies and engages threatening targets. Top attack, not TOWs.

You can use GLATGMs to the same effect, and then the box launcher can be dropped, reducing weight and allowing reactive armor to be more evenly mounted (i.e. where the box launcher would have been).

[Primordial Luxa]

Hey guys i have these mechs in PMT

Type: Scorpio Combat Engine
Crew: 1 Pilot
Armor: 250mm of Nanite Kevlar, 250mm of AMP-TV 29.82, and 250mm of Uranium bonded Caraplates
Height: 9.64 meters
Max speed: 56 km/h
Primary Armament: 1x 1.5kg Adonis
Secondary Armament: 1x Sky Shredder Missile System
Internal devices: Arcano-Gyro, ReAnima, MassNero Targeter, Bio Sync, Quantum Shields, Long Range Scanners, Internal Comlink, PCLP, Personal Nanite Container, 50 counter measures, mandating facilities.

Type: Gemini Support Avatar
Crew: 1 Pilot, 1 gunner
Armor: 350mm of Nanite Kevlar, 250mm of AMP-TV 29.82, and 350mm of Uranium bonded Caraplates
Height: 10.21 meters
Max speed: 36 km/h
Primary Armament: 1x 2.5kg Adonis, 2x 1.5kg Adonis,
Secondary Armament: 2x .50 cal Monarch-SSW, 2x Monarch-SSW, 4x VTR Guns
Internal devices: Arcano-Gyro, ReAnima, MassNero Targeter, Bio Sync, Quantum Shields, Long Range Scanners, Internal Comlink, PCLP, Personal Nanite Container, 50 counter measures, mandating facilities, Quad shifting legs,

Type: Sagittarius Command Engine
Crew: 1 Pilot
Armor: 250mm of Nanite Kevlar, 250mm of AMP-TV 29.82, and 250mm of Uranium bonded Caraplates
Height: 9.21 meters
Max speed: 56 km/h
Primary Armament: 1x 1.5kg Adonis w/CoAxil MPO HV-17
Secondary Armament: 1x .50 cal Monarch-SSW, 1x Monarch-SSW
Internal devices: Arcano-Gyro, ReAnima, MassNero Targeter, Bio Sync, Quantum Shields, Long Range Scanners, Internal Comlink, PCLP, Personal Nanite Container, 50 counter measures, mandating facilities, satellite link, Mass ReAnima, Homonculus Protector, Thaumaturge's Mainframe, Ethereal Mainframe, Summoning Network, Astral Oscillator, Spell Engine, Charm Matrix, Illusionist's Junction, Magical Architecture

Is there any validity to mechs or is it impractical.

[Basque Socialist States]

Granted this conversation is about mechs in MT or light PMT, but you should still read it.

[Lolzieristan]

Is there any reason not to (optionally) include an external box launcher for ATGMs on an MBT? I was thinking using them similiar to the Longbow, where an FCS automatically identifies and engages threatening targets. Top attack, not TOWs.

You can use GLATGMs to the same effect, and then the box launcher can be dropped, reducing weight and allowing reactive armor to be more evenly mounted (i.e. where the box launcher would have been).

At first I was thinking of pointing out that external ATGMs could serve as an emergency secondary weapon, if you were caught reloading by another tank and it was an every-second-counts situation.

But, then again, I think that the time involved in waiting for a missile to hit its target would be longer than to just put a new shell in there.

Another reason I'd shy away from them is that, from the battlefield accounts I've heard, intense tank battles tend to strip things off of the sides of tanks. Antennae, kit, etc. tends to get sheared off even with the most insignificant glancing blow. Now, imagine putting a box full of really, really explosive missiles right next to your critical and fragile comms equipment, your optics, and generally all the important stuff. Somehow I think that might be a bit of a bad idea. Plus, GLATGMs can be reloaded in battle, whereas a box of two or four missiles (I think, correct me if I'm wrong) usually need to be reloaded manually by supply personnel. Which is hard to do when you're in a firing position.

EDIT:

By the way, guys, the top five results in a cursory Google search for "GLATGMs" come out as Nationstates or the NS Draftroom.

What the hell is wrong with us? Does the rest of the Internet not do this kind of thing?

[Registug]

Hey guys i have these mechs in PMT

(Image)

Type: Scorpio Combat Engine
Crew: 1 Pilot
Armor: 250mm of Nanite Kevlar, 250mm of AMP-TV 29.82, and 250mm of Uranium bonded Caraplates
Height: 9.64 meters
Max speed: 56 km/h
Primary Armament: 1x 1.5kg Adonis
Secondary Armament: 1x Sky Shredder Missile System
Internal devices: Arcano-Gyro, ReAnima, MassNero Targeter, Bio Sync, Quantum Shields, Long Range Scanners, Internal Comlink, PCLP, Personal Nanite Container, 50 counter measures, mandating facilities.

(Image)

Type: Gemini Support Avatar
Crew: 1 Pilot, 1 gunner
Armor: 350mm of Nanite Kevlar, 250mm of AMP-TV 29.82, and 350mm of Uranium bonded Caraplates
Height: 10.21 meters
Max speed: 36 km/h
Primary Armament: 1x 2.5kg Adonis, 2x 1.5kg Adonis,
Secondary Armament: 2x .50 cal Monarch-SSW, 2x Monarch-SSW, 4x VTR Guns
Internal devices: Arcano-Gyro, ReAnima, MassNero Targeter, Bio Sync, Quantum Shields, Long Range Scanners, Internal Comlink, PCLP, Personal Nanite Container, 50 counter measures, mandating facilities, Quad shifting legs,

(Image)

Type: Sagittarius Command Engine
Crew: 1 Pilot
Armor: 250mm of Nanite Kevlar, 250mm of AMP-TV 29.82, and 250mm of Uranium bonded Caraplates
Height: 9.21 meters
Max speed: 56 km/h
Primary Armament: 1x 1.5kg Adonis w/CoAxil MPO HV-17
Secondary Armament: 1x .50 cal Monarch-SSW, 1x Monarch-SSW
Internal devices: Arcano-Gyro, ReAnima, MassNero Targeter, Bio Sync, Quantum Shields, Long Range Scanners, Internal Comlink, PCLP, Personal Nanite Container, 50 counter measures, mandating facilities, satellite link, Mass ReAnima, Homonculus Protector, Thaumaturge's Mainframe, Ethereal Mainframe, Summoning Network, Astral Oscillator, Spell Engine, Charm Matrix, Illusionist's Junction, Magical Architecture

Is there any validity to mechs or is it impractical.

Impractical as fuuuuuck

[Lolzieristan]

I really can't think of any reason mechs are a good idea.

Now hovering, that shit is awesome. Put some research into hovering tanks. Nothing can go wrong.

[Primordial Luxa]

you guys have any tips on making mechs MORE practical

[Basque Socialist States]

you guys have any tips on making mechs MORE practical

Use tanks instead?

[Registug]

you guys have any tips on making mechs MORE practical

Use tanks instead?

Don't make them bipedal, for one.

Spider tanks only mech that won't fall over. Still, that ground pressure.

[Primordial Luxa]

you guys have any tips on making mechs MORE practical

Use tanks instead?

I have tanks
I need a vehicle that can fight in high urban areas with heavy weapons and high mobility

[Registug]

Use tanks instead?

I have tanks
I need a vehicle that can fight in high urban areas with heavy weapons and high mobility

Helicopters

[San-Silvacian]

Use tanks instead?

I have tanks
I need a vehicle that can fight in high urban areas with heavy weapons and high mobility

[Primordial Luxa]

I have tanks
I need a vehicle that can fight in high urban areas with heavy weapons and high mobility

and this is?

[Primordial Luxa]

Yes I get mechs are hilarious noncompetitive
just humor me

[San-Silvacian]

(Image)

and this is?

BMPT.

A Russian lesson from battles like Gronzzy or however you spell it.

Urban, mechanized death.

[Registug]

and this is?

Guessing here, but I'd say a T-80 or -90 configuration with twin autocannons and missile launchers replacing the main gun.

[San-Silvacian]

and this is?

Guessing here, but I'd say a T-80 or -90 configuration with twin autocannons and missile launchers replacing the main gun.

BMPT.

A Russian lesson from battles like Gronzzy or however you spell it.

Urban, mechanized death.

[Registug]

The one time "new post" doesn't work.

[San-Silvacian]

I swear to God every single NS'er needs a mandatory class on the BMPT.

[Primordial Luxa]

Guessing here, but I'd say a T-80 or -90 configuration with twin autocannons and missile launchers replacing the main gun.

BMPT.

A Russian lesson from battles like Gronzzy or however you spell it.

Urban, mechanized death.

seems nice im just looking for something a little smaller



IDEAS FOR IMPROVEMENT
*obviously protecting the shit out of the legs is a must
*making it an unmanned vehicle
*keeping it below 4 meters to reduce surface area (maybe below 3 meters, downside less dakka)
*bipedal legs that can transform into quad legs
*wheels in the legs for faster movement

other ideas?

[San-Silvacian]

seems nice im just looking for something a little smaller



IDEAS FOR IMPROVEMENT
*obviously protecting the shit out of the legs is a must
*making it an unmanned vehicle
*keeping it below 4 meters to reduce surface area (maybe below 3 meters, downside less dakka)
*bipedal legs that can transform into quad legs
*wheels in the legs for faster movement

other ideas?

Its pretty small. What you want is pretty big and screams "HEY ANTI-TANK! SHOOT ME!"

[Primordial Luxa]

seems nice im just looking for something a little smaller



IDEAS FOR IMPROVEMENT
*obviously protecting the shit out of the legs is a must
*making it an unmanned vehicle
*keeping it below 4 meters to reduce surface area (maybe below 3 meters, downside less dakka)
*bipedal legs that can transform into quad legs
*wheels in the legs for faster movement

other ideas?

Its pretty small. What you want is pretty big and screams "HEY ANTI-TANK! SHOOT ME!"

My plan is for it to work with basic infantry in urban environments.
Mainly to destroy building enemies are hiding in and to be a form of absolute fire suppression that would make it easier to dictate enemy movements.
It's ability to walks would allow it better mobility in parks, plazas, and other urban open areas where I'd wish to trap or lead my targets.

[Basque Socialist States]

seems nice im just looking for something a little smaller



IDEAS FOR IMPROVEMENT
*obviously protecting the shit out of the legs is a must
*making it an unmanned vehicle
*keeping it below 4 meters to reduce surface area (maybe below 3 meters, downside less dakka)
*bipedal legs that can transform into quad legs
*wheels in the legs for faster movement

other ideas?

If you're going to use wheels or tracks on the legs, what's the point of the legs at all? Why not just build a normal IFV/APC, with a really high suspension?

[San-Silvacian]

:twisted:

Its pretty small. What you want is pretty big and screams "HEY ANTI-TANK! SHOOT ME!"

My plan is for it to work with basic infantry in urban environments.
Mainly to destroy building enemies are hiding in and to be a form of absolute fire suppression that would make it easier to dictate enemy movements.
It's ability to walks would allow it better mobility in parks, plazas, and other urban open areas where I'd wish to trap or lead my targets.

So pretty much everything a normal tank can do?

[Primordial Luxa]

:twisted:

My plan is for it to work with basic infantry in urban environments.
Mainly to destroy building enemies are hiding in and to be a form of absolute fire suppression that would make it easier to dictate enemy movements.
It's ability to walks would allow it better mobility in parks, plazas, and other urban open areas where I'd wish to trap or lead my targets.

So pretty much everything a normal tank can do?

This is for a PMT setting just humor me what could be changed to make these things better?