NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #3

[Questers]

Next chapter will have the paras I think, with all great things, like Sprut-SD and BMD-3s.

[Purpelia]

You do realize the sheer scale of that drawing right? You would not land your armored airborne division on top of your enemy. You would land it within driving range of the same.

There are still two divisions behind it that aren't engaged at the moment, so there's no need to divert anybody.

And that's where you are wrong. By engaging those other divisions you are forcing the enemy to divert them from their original role which was to stand back and reinforce the units that are currently fighting. Thus you are effectively diverting the enemies reinforcements away from his front lines. And when you strike those front lines the enemy will thus not have enough reinforcements to repel you. Furthermore, because his entire force is now engaged the enemy has to divert a part of his supply lines to support units that would otherwise have stood back and needed far less. Thus he has less resources to give to the units on the front line.

[Questers]

another thing i will develop is a BMD-3 with a Krizantema because why not if it can take the 2A75 turret it can sure take a Krizantema launcher.

So, automatic 82mm mortars, 125mm SP-AT guns, Krizantema, Metis, 30mm autocannons - not light at all, in fact its just a mechanised formation that can be paradropped. The only thing its lacking is real SAMs that aren't an Igla.

[Purpelia]

another thing i will develop is a BMD-3 with a Krizantema because why not if it can take the 2A75 turret it can sure take a Krizantema launcher.

IIRC the BMP-3 variant that uses it (9P157-2) uses a different turret. And honestly I would prefer something a bit more Spike.

So, automatic 82mm mortars, 125mm SP-AT guns, Krizantema, Metis, 30mm autocannons - not light at all, in fact its just a mechanised formation that can be paradropped. The only thing its lacking is real SAMs that aren't an Igla.

As far as I know there is absolutely no reason why you could not marry a 9K22 with a BMD-3 body.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Power generation?

[Purpelia]

Power generation?

That's a good point actually. The 9K22 comes standard with a 780 hp diesel whilst a BMD-3 only has 450hp. So you might need to split the battery up into a dedicated radar vehicle and dedicated launcher vehicles or something. That would also make it lighter and easier to drop too. So you would likely want to do it anyway. And if all else fails you can always mount a 9M37 setup on a BMD-3 to get something like the 9K35.

[Ayreonia]

There are still two divisions behind it that aren't engaged at the moment, so there's no need to divert anybody.

And that's where you are wrong. By engaging those other divisions you are forcing the enemy to divert them from their original role which was to stand back and reinforce the units that are currently fighting. Thus you are effectively diverting the enemies reinforcements away from his front lines. And when you strike those front lines the enemy will thus not have enough reinforcements to repel you. Furthermore, because his entire force is now engaged the enemy has to divert a part of his supply lines to support units that would otherwise have stood back and needed far less. Thus he has less resources to give to the units on the front line.

I guess you have a point there. I'm still uncomfortable with the thought of sending men on a suicide mission, especially a well-trained and equipped force such as airborne infantry. Seems a waste.

[Purpelia]

And that's where you are wrong. By engaging those other divisions you are forcing the enemy to divert them from their original role which was to stand back and reinforce the units that are currently fighting. Thus you are effectively diverting the enemies reinforcements away from his front lines. And when you strike those front lines the enemy will thus not have enough reinforcements to repel you. Furthermore, because his entire force is now engaged the enemy has to divert a part of his supply lines to support units that would otherwise have stood back and needed far less. Thus he has less resources to give to the units on the front line.

I guess you have a point there. I'm still uncomfortable with the thought of sending men on a suicide mission, especially a well-trained and equipped force such as airborne infantry. Seems a waste.

You do realize that with the kind of equipment and training these troops have and the related secondary push by your main force the mission is not by default a suicide one. And besides, you can't win a war without a few corpses.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Power generation?

That's a good point actually. The 9K22 comes standard with a 780 hp diesel whilst a BMD-3 only has 450hp. So you might need to split the battery up into a dedicated radar vehicle and dedicated launcher vehicles or something. That would also make it lighter and easier to drop too. So you would likely want to do it anyway. And if all else fails you can always mount a 9M37 setup on a BMD-3 to get something like the 9K35.

There's also the fact that you're now roughly tripling the height of the turret, adding up to a metre to the overall height of the vehicle.
It may not clear the door of a Candid, anymore.

[Purpelia]

That's a good point actually. The 9K22 comes standard with a 780 hp diesel whilst a BMD-3 only has 450hp. So you might need to split the battery up into a dedicated radar vehicle and dedicated launcher vehicles or something. That would also make it lighter and easier to drop too. So you would likely want to do it anyway. And if all else fails you can always mount a 9M37 setup on a BMD-3 to get something like the 9K35.

There's also the fact that you're now roughly tripling the height of the turret, adding up to a metre to the overall height of the vehicle.
It may not clear the door of a Candid, anymore.

True. That's why I proposed a 9K35 like setup as an alternative. You could make the missile boom retractile and fit it in anywhere.

[Immoren]

Light detachment (airborne) consisting of airborne infantry battalion, airborne tank battalion and attack copter battalion y/n?

[Galla-]

how do helicopter go where plane go tho

who was tanker?

Next chapter will have the paras I think, with all great things, like Sprut-SD and BMD-3s.

no give them infinite M8 AGS and sheridan variants dont be a gay

[San-Silvacian]

towed 152mm LV gun best airborne support?

[Ayreonia]

Light detachment (airborne) consisting of airborne infantry battalion, airborne tank battalion and attack copter battalion y/n?

Ditch the helos, add SPGs.

[Ayreonia]

how do helicopter go where plane go tho

who was tanker?

I'm a tanker!

[Galla-]

how do helicopter go where plane go tho

who was tanker?

I'm a tanker!

must be a scary job

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcLiAAVeYhk

[Mozria]

I'm a tanker!

must be a scary job

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcLiAAVeYhk

Only sometimes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OfgdK1BKiM

[Ea90]

towed 152mm LV gun best airborne support?

no
self-propelled 150mm HV gun with ridiculous recoil length and lolmuzzlebrake (producing a fireball that allows it to function as a flamethrower too for killing pesky infantry that come too close) that does a backflip whenever it fires (despite lolmuzzlebrake and ridiculous recoil length) best airborne support

another thing i will develop is a BMD-3 with a Krizantema because why not if it can take the 2A75 turret it can sure take a Krizantema launcher.

Tbh, I'm not a big fan of the 9M123; it's really big (>2m long) while not offering much of an advantage over the 9M133 (which is just 1.2m long).
Even the CKEM is smaller, while using that would earn you 1000 more kool points.
However, I can see how the CKEM would conflict with the Russia-y feel you've got going (in which case gogogo kornet).

[The Caldari Union]

Can a 2K11 Krug missile shoot down anything these days even if only helicopters?

[San-Silvacian]

Can a 2K11 Krug missile shoot down anything these days even if only helicopters?

Not even helicopters with todays modern jamming and other ECM systems.

[Democratic Koyro]

Can a 2K11 Krug missile shoot down anything these days even if only helicopters?

Not even helicopters with todays modern jamming and other ECM systems.

The 2K11 Krug wasn't actually designed to shoot down helicopters. It was designed to engage high altitude aircraft, spy planes, strategic bombers and the like. Hence why the missiles are so big on the transportation and firing vehicle.

That being said, i doubt it'd be very effective even if you did engage its intended target with them these days.

[Oaledonia]

must be a scary job

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcLiAAVeYhk

Only sometimes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OfgdK1BKiM

Sometimes you see things that you cannot unsee.....

[Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories]

What sort of manpower am I looking at for a nation of almost 2.6 Billion, 13% defence budget, 89% Public sector economy, and 95% economy rating?

The culture is quite heavily militarised, and there's 1 year's mandatory armed service for all citizens of good health.
(do go ahead and check my nation's stats if you think I've missed out anything relevant)

[Spirit of Hope]

What sort of manpower am I looking at for a nation of almost 2.6 Billion, 13% defence budget, 89% Public sector economy, and 95% economy rating?

The culture is quite heavily militarised, and there's 1 year's mandatory armed service for all citizens of good health.
(do go ahead and check my nation's stats if you think I've missed out anything relevant)

First if you want basic calculations at the beginning level look at one of the NS calculators. Those can punch out a bunch of useful numbers to think about in the beginning. From there you can play with the numbers, and compare to RL nations for some thoughts.

EDIT: One I like to give to people is NSEconomy, which gives out some good budget information. Compare that to RL militaries and there budgets and you get a good idea of what you can manage.

[Ayreonia]

I'm a tanker!

must be a scary job

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcLiAAVeYhk

Not that kinda tanker. More like the tracked kind.