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Who will OP the next realism consolation thread?

The Akasha Colony
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35%
The Kievan People
7
7%
New Vihenia
4
4%
Purpelia
5
5%
Samozaryadnyastan (Para)
28
28%
Transnapastain
13
13%
Lamoni
9
9%
 
Total votes : 101

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San Benedict e San Francesco
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Postby San Benedict e San Francesco » Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:52 pm

Would it be poor taste to go post an inverse-storefront in GE&T (lawlz!) looking for each piece of equipment I want my army to have without designing myself? I have no real desire to start designing armour or trucks and it's hard to weed through all the PMT/FanT arms consortiums to find non-lulzy tanks for late PT early MT.
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Purpelia
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Postby Purpelia » Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:53 pm

Velkanika wrote:
Galla- wrote:
The massive use of atomic weapons on the French border will make it Christmas in August.

Don't eat the glowing snow. ):


Even a strategic nuclear exchange wouldn't cause a world war to end immediately. All it would do is destroy massive quantities of civilian infrastructure, generate tremendous casualties among civilians, and generally ruin every major city of note in North America, Europe, the Middle East, and parts of Asia. The European combatants in WWII were able to deal with similar levels of destruction, massive civilian casualties, and firebombed cities and continue to support their armies in the field just fine for years.

In the lead up to WWI, it was said the war would be short and violent due to the incredibly deadly advances in technology. In WWII, they thought it would be over just as soon after the Battle of France and the demonstration of developments in air power. Who's to say WWIII would buck the trend when nations have demonstrated a capacity to absorb the kind of damage a nuclear exchange would deal and keep on fighting?

Except that not. Any strategic nuclear exchange would focus primarily on destroying the very things required for warfare and not just murdering civilians. In fact, any civilian casualties that would come out of it would be entirely collateral damage. The notion that as you put it "every major city" would be ruined is false. You would have to shower a modern metropolis with hundreds of nuclear weapons to ensure that. And every weapon wasted on it is a weapon not used on disabling your enemies capability to fight. In fact, most cities would not be targeted beyond destroying the few point targets. That is not to say that there would not be millions of corpses. These are nuclear weapons after all. But at the end of the day it is the war effort who would suffer worst as they would find them self cut off from any future supplies and pressed between an enemy at the door and social collapse behind them.
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The Akasha Colony
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Postby The Akasha Colony » Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:14 pm

San Benedict e San Francesco wrote:Would it be poor taste to go post an inverse-storefront in GE&T (lawlz!) looking for each piece of equipment I want my army to have without designing myself? I have no real desire to start designing armour or trucks and it's hard to weed through all the PMT/FanT arms consortiums to find non-lulzy tanks for late PT early MT.


You can, but IMO, the best storefronts usually don't advertise. The ones that do are usually in my experience somewhat subpar. The better ones let word of mouth and reputation sell their products.
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Ea90
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Postby Ea90 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:51 pm

San Benedict e San Francesco wrote:Would it be poor taste to go post an inverse-storefront in GE&T (lawlz!) looking for each piece of equipment I want my army to have without designing myself? I have no real desire to start designing armour or trucks and it's hard to weed through all the PMT/FanT arms consortiums to find non-lulzy tanks for late PT early MT.

Normally, such a request is called a Request For Tender (RFT), and they do happen reasonably often. However, as Akasha said, quite a lot of the people that respond to such a request would be the lower-quality ones.

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Anemos Major
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Postby Anemos Major » Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:52 pm

Ea90 wrote:Normally, such a request is called a Request For Tender (RFT), and they do happen reasonably often. However, as Akasha said, quite a lot of the people that respond to such a request would be the lower-quality ones.


Q_Q

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Spirit of Hope
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Postby Spirit of Hope » Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:55 pm

Anemos Major wrote:
Ea90 wrote:Normally, such a request is called a Request For Tender (RFT), and they do happen reasonably often. However, as Akasha said, quite a lot of the people that respond to such a request would be the lower-quality ones.


Q_Q

You are of the highest quality. However GE&T is a pile of manure through wich one has to shift for diamonds. The diamonds tend not to jump out. On a side note do you do commissions/requests?
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Anemos Major
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Postby Anemos Major » Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:57 pm

Spirit of Hope wrote:On a side note do you do commissions/requests?


Not in general, no - why?

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Spirit of Hope
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Postby Spirit of Hope » Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:02 pm

Anemos Major wrote:
Spirit of Hope wrote:On a side note do you do commissions/requests?


Not in general, no - why?


Because I like your style and was wondering if I could make one. Isn't any big deal.
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Anemos Major
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Postby Anemos Major » Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:07 pm

Spirit of Hope wrote:Because I like your style and was wondering if I could make one. Isn't any big deal.


Ah, righto. Sorry about that :S I'm in the process of linearting quite a lot of stuff right now, so my hands are more than full.

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Ea90
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Postby Ea90 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:12 pm

Spirit of Hope wrote:You are of the highest quality. However GE&T is a pile of manure through wich one has to shift for diamonds. The diamonds tend not to jump out.

Very much this.

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Rich and Corporations
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Postby Rich and Corporations » Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:03 pm

The Akasha Colony wrote:
San Benedict e San Francesco wrote:Would it be poor taste to go post an inverse-storefront in GE&T (lawlz!) looking for each piece of equipment I want my army to have without designing myself? I have no real desire to start designing armour or trucks and it's hard to weed through all the PMT/FanT arms consortiums to find non-lulzy tanks for late PT early MT.


You can, but IMO, the best storefronts usually don't advertise. The ones that do are usually in my experience somewhat subpar. The better ones let word of mouth and reputation sell their products.


When I was running a ponzi scheme on GE&T, Yohannes contacted me about her stock exchange.
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Oaledonia
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Postby Oaledonia » Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:17 pm

Boeing x-32 (In my lore it was upgraded profusely) or F-35 as a JSF?

(Don't say neither :c)
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Rich and Corporations
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Postby Rich and Corporations » Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:34 pm

Oaledonia wrote:Boeing x-32 (In my lore it was upgraded profusely) or F-35 as a JSF?

(Don't say neither :c)

The shaft driven lift fan of the F-35 would provide superior performance.
That component just adds slightly to the overall cost though.

Stealth planes are really expensive.
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Graznovia
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Founded: Mar 03, 2012
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Postby Graznovia » Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:28 pm

Graznovia wrote:Is it a bad idea to equip platoon 'command' (not so much command as in dedicated command versions of the vehicle but rather the vehicle in which platoon command rides) with a mortar (probably 2B9 Vasilek), considering that it would imply to the adversary that the vehicle with the mortar contains the command element?


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On another note, does anyone have information on Soviet/Russian rifle (yes, rifle and not motor rifle) formations?

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Fischermann
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Postby Fischermann » Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:33 pm

Image

First time doing a vehicle in Paint, let alone a jet.

Any glaring issues? It's mostly based off the F16, the Kestrel and the Me 262.

Know that I've no idea what I'm doing
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Mozria
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Postby Mozria » Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:36 pm

Fischermann wrote:(Image)

First time doing a vehicle in Paint, let alone a jet.

Any glaring issues? It's mostly based off the F16, the Kestrel and the Me 262.

Know that I've no idea what I'm doing


Scale?

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Fischermann
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Postby Fischermann » Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:36 pm

Mozria wrote:
Fischermann wrote:(Image)

First time doing a vehicle in Paint, let alone a jet.

Any glaring issues? It's mostly based off the F16, the Kestrel and the Me 262.

Know that I've no idea what I'm doing


Scale?


No scale.

As I said, I've no idea what I'm doing. The only planes I know of are WWII ones.

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I made a pilot highlight -

Image
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Triplebaconation
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Postby Triplebaconation » Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:57 pm

Very interesting design.
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Transnapastain
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Postby Transnapastain » Sun Jul 14, 2013 1:08 am

My apologies for not catching this previously, and thanks to The Akasha Colony for bring it to my attention. Usually, I would not accept nominations not using the proper template, since I provided it in the OP, but due to my error, I'll trawl the thread and find them.

Never say I haven't done anything for you lot. :P

Nominations will now be closed and the poll added to the OP. I will disable voting at page 495(ish)

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Samozaryadnyastan
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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Sun Jul 14, 2013 1:30 am

Velkanika wrote:
Galla- wrote:
The massive use of atomic weapons on the French border will make it Christmas in August.

Don't eat the glowing snow. ):


Even a strategic nuclear exchange wouldn't cause a world war to end immediately. All it would do is destroy massive quantities of civilian infrastructure, generate tremendous casualties among civilians, and generally ruin every major city of note in North America, Europe, the Middle East, and parts of Asia. The European combatants in WWII were able to deal with similar levels of destruction, massive civilian casualties, and firebombed cities and continue to support their armies in the field just fine for years.

In the lead up to WWI, it was said the war would be short and violent due to the incredibly deadly advances in technology. In WWII, they thought it would be over just as soon after the Battle of France and the demonstration of developments in air power. Who's to say WWIII would buck the trend when nations have demonstrated a capacity to absorb the kind of damage a nuclear exchange would deal and keep on fighting?

WWII will be an inconvenience compared to a targeted all-out strategic exchange.

You will never be able to deal with a nuclear strike, you can only hope to salvage what evades them.
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Novayan Unifed Republics
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Postby Novayan Unifed Republics » Sun Jul 14, 2013 2:24 am

What would be the required mass for a tank gun using a 155mm gun firing rounds using Combustion Augmented Plasma 'powder' that masses, at most, 50kilos at 5km/s? Include calculations for both recoil reduction equipped and non-recoil reduction equipped tanks if you would please.

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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Sun Jul 14, 2013 2:31 am

Novayan Unifed Republics wrote:What would be the required mass for a tank gun using a 155mm gun firing rounds using Combustion Augmented Plasma 'powder' that masses, at most, 50kilos at 5km/s? Include calculations for both recoil reduction equipped and non-recoil reduction equipped tanks if you would please.

Your gun will have a theoretical ME of 625MJ (about 50 times that of 120mm guns), plus propellant ejecta.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say this gun could never be used.
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The Akasha Colony
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Postby The Akasha Colony » Sun Jul 14, 2013 2:38 am

Novayan Unifed Republics wrote:What would be the required mass for a tank gun using a 155mm gun firing rounds using Combustion Augmented Plasma 'powder' that masses, at most, 50kilos at 5km/s? Include calculations for both recoil reduction equipped and non-recoil reduction equipped tanks if you would please.


Leaving aside propellants, at 50 kg and 5,000 m/s, you'd need a tank weighing 278 tons to fire it in a comfortable manner for the crew. This cannot be practicably reduced through recoil-abating measures.
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Postby Kouralia » Sun Jul 14, 2013 3:03 am

RKG-3 has an impact fuse, so if it lands on the floor (imagine like a plane - not landing like a missile with the point down) would it go off, and would it detonate after a period of time?
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Postby Lamoni » Sun Jul 14, 2013 3:15 am

Impact fuzes typically depend on hitting a target within a set range of angles (though typically a 90 degree angle works best).

This means that the answer to your question would depend on the exact fuze used by the RKG-3, and how sensitive it is. About it going off after a period of time, that I do not know.
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